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Post by IRS on Aug 14, 2017 14:56:35 GMT -5
He mentioned on Austin's podcast that he actually wanted to go to NXT first. I enjoy NXT as a brand, only wrestling show I watch on a regular basis. I read this as him going to their performance center for training, that is a slap in the face I'm sorry. Not if he wants to get acclimated to the WWE style first. |
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Post by J12 on Aug 14, 2017 14:58:56 GMT -5
Adam Cole could walk onto RAW tonight and people would go "Oh, that's Adam Cole!". Bobby Roode couldn't. I think it'd be the other way around. Roode, like AJ, at least got exposure in TNA. Casual fans aren't going to know anything about ROH. Yeah. People tend to vastly overestimate the average Raw viewer's exposure to even the most mainstream of indy talent. If Adam Cole showed up on Raw tonight, a large portion of the people in attendance, and an even larger portion of those watching at home would collectively say, "who?" I don't suspect a large portion of the audience would have known Bobby Roode, either, but almost definitely a far larger number than Cole. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2017 14:59:01 GMT -5
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Post by TheBadGuyChico on Aug 14, 2017 15:02:37 GMT -5
Not in terms of raw talent level, but Adam Cole is as polished a pro as anybody coming into the WWF/E. He's a damn solid hand with pretty good charisma. Pick an equivalent worker from the past who had worked in other major companies, Did he go to a performance center? CWA was pretty much WWF's unofficial farm league in the 80s. That is where Savage worked before being signed to the big leagues. Big Show was a multi-time WCW champion and was sent to OVW. CM Punk was a huge indie star and was sent to OVW first. Samoa Joe, Shinsuke Nakamura, Kevin Owens, Sami Zayn, Finn Balor, Bobby Roode, Eric Young, and Neville all went to NXT despite their resume. Drew McIntyre was in the WWE, left and made a bigger name for himself, and still had to go to NXT. Most of WCW's roster after WWE bought them went to either OVW or HWA. Fair points, I'm aware of the farming system over the years. The performance center in itself just had a weird connotation to me, for a seasoned pro. OVW, NXT especially are fine in my book. Hell I think NXT gives us superior wrestling booking and matches, it's just than damn performance center lol. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2017 15:05:33 GMT -5
Adam Cole could walk onto RAW tonight and people would go "Oh, that's Adam Cole!". Bobby Roode couldn't. I think it'd be the other way around. Roode, like AJ, at least got exposure in TNA. Casual fans aren't going to know anything about ROH. I'm not so sure about that. Roode looks so generic people would just go "Who?". Cole has a face that, if you've seen it once, you remember it well. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2017 15:12:57 GMT -5
Been waiting for him to debut.
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Post by ahunter8056 on Aug 14, 2017 15:13:24 GMT -5
He mentioned on Austin's podcast that he actually wanted to go to NXT first. I enjoy NXT as a brand, only wrestling show I watch on a regular basis. I read this as him going to their performance center for training, that is a slap in the face I'm sorry. It's not a slap in the face at all, and I don't think you really understand what the Performance Centre is. It's not just a place to teach new recruits how to wrestle. It's a one-stop shop for teaching any wrestler the WWE style, and how to perform for TV. I have no idea who Adam Cole is, so I have no idea if he's even wrestled for TV before. Multiple indy guys who have been signed to WWE have stated how big the learning curve is for learning all the different things wrestlers need to know when performing for TV. The Performance Centre teaches them everything they need. It's not as simple as "show up and wrestle". There's things like performing to hard-cam, performing appropriate moves when going to an advert break, facing the camera, etc. The NXT book details this excellently, so I'd recommend it. |
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Post by J12 on Aug 14, 2017 15:16:25 GMT -5
I think it'd be the other way around. Roode, like AJ, at least got exposure in TNA. Casual fans aren't going to know anything about ROH. I'm not so sure about that. Roode looks so generic people would just go "Who?". Cole has a face that, if you've seen it once, you remember it well. Not really. Nothing against Cole, but he just looks like a guy on a roster. And, none of that really matters anyway. Bobby Roode had multiple years of national television exposure. TNA or not, that counts for a lot. Cole has none. Any guy who worked in TNA for any extended period of time is almost certainly going to be more recognizable than just about any name on the mainstream Indy market. We're not talking about die-hard wrestling fans here. We're talking about a large group of people who watch WWE on a weekly basis and nothing else, but may have, at some point or another, flipped through channels on a Thursday night and stumbled upon Impact. I'm not just singling Adam Cole out. This goes for virtually any person on the indy scene right now. Hell, Kenny Omega would provoke more "who?" responses than Bobby Roode, and he's the biggest indy name in years. You don't have recognition among the casual audience unless you've worked on national television. |
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Post by TheBadGuyChico on Aug 14, 2017 15:22:35 GMT -5
I enjoy NXT as a brand, only wrestling show I watch on a regular basis. I read this as him going to their performance center for training, that is a slap in the face I'm sorry. It's not a slap in the face at all, and I don't think you really understand what the Performance Centre is. It's not just a place to teach new recruits how to wrestle. It's a one-stop shop for teaching any wrestler the WWE style, and how to perform for TV. I have no idea who Adam Cole is, so I have no idea if he's even wrestled for TV before. Multiple indy guys who have been signed to WWE have stated how big the learning curve is for learning all the different things wrestlers need to know when performing for TV. The Performance Centre teaches them everything they need. It's not as simple as "show up and wrestle". There's things like performing to hard-cam, performing appropriate moves when going to an advert break, facing the camera, etc. The NXT book details this excellently, so I'd recommend it. I'm aware of the hard cam and other variables, i alluded to that stuff earlier. I guess what I don't understand is how different the TV product is now in comparison to maybe the Attitude era and back. It seems like guys like Piper and Savage would just show up and do the same thing they did in the territories in terms of presentation. What the heck do they do now that requires anything more than a walkthrough? |
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Post by POOR-ly Cuyler on Aug 14, 2017 15:24:23 GMT -5
I wouldnt know who anyone is without Botchamania, so theres that. Bobby Rooooooooo
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Post by IRS on Aug 14, 2017 15:35:37 GMT -5
I think it'd be the other way around. Roode, like AJ, at least got exposure in TNA. Casual fans aren't going to know anything about ROH. I'm not so sure about that. Roode looks so generic people would just go "Who?". Cole has a face that, if you've seen it once, you remember it well. But where would they have seen it? Roode was one of the main faces for TNA for years, while it was still the second biggest promotion in the US. Cole was the face of a promotion that you're lucky to catch on TV at like 1AM on Wednesday night. |
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Post by Rated [R] NinJa on Aug 14, 2017 15:44:33 GMT -5
I know of the guy and liked his interview on Austin's podcast but have never seen a single match of his. Congrats to him. I'm not so sure about that. Roode looks so generic people would just go "Who?". Cole has a face that, if you've seen it once, you remember it well. But where would they have seen it? Roode was one of the main faces for TNA for years, while it was still the second biggest promotion in the US. Cole was the face of a promotion that you're lucky to catch on TV at like 1AM on Wednesday night. You're right, even here in the U.K. we were able to see TNA on the Wrestling Channel, Bravo, Challenge etc and had a lot of exposure to Roode from his Team Canada days all the way up to World Champ. I don't think we've ever had ROH. |
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Post by marino13 on Aug 14, 2017 15:53:55 GMT -5
What a dumb twist this thread has taken. I foolishly thought everyone would be rejoicing. Should have known better. That being said, LtD73 , I'm moving this since people are complaining about the spoiler. |
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Post by ahunter8056 on Aug 14, 2017 16:50:13 GMT -5
It's not a slap in the face at all, and I don't think you really understand what the Performance Centre is. It's not just a place to teach new recruits how to wrestle. It's a one-stop shop for teaching any wrestler the WWE style, and how to perform for TV. I have no idea who Adam Cole is, so I have no idea if he's even wrestled for TV before. Multiple indy guys who have been signed to WWE have stated how big the learning curve is for learning all the different things wrestlers need to know when performing for TV. The Performance Centre teaches them everything they need. It's not as simple as "show up and wrestle". There's things like performing to hard-cam, performing appropriate moves when going to an advert break, facing the camera, etc. The NXT book details this excellently, so I'd recommend it. I'm aware of the hard cam and other variables, i alluded to that stuff earlier. I guess what I don't understand is how different the TV product is now in comparison to maybe the Attitude era and back. It seems like guys like Piper and Savage would just show up and do the same thing they did in the territories in terms of presentation. What the heck do they do now that requires anything more than a walkthrough? Again, the NXT book explains it perfectly, with a whole chapter dedicated to the Performance Centre IIRC. It's a good read regardless. |
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Post by Path 2 Glory on Aug 14, 2017 17:01:18 GMT -5
There are numerous reports going around stating that Adam Cole has just signed with WWE and will be featured on the NXT brand, what are your thoughts?
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Post by LA Times on Aug 14, 2017 17:08:49 GMT -5
Adam Cole vs Heath Slater-Baybay on a Pole Match, baybay!!!!!!!!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2017 17:12:28 GMT -5
Spoilers, dude.
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Post by ARUN on Aug 14, 2017 17:22:20 GMT -5
Awesome. Hopefully it works out for him in NXT.
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Post by The Natural Eddy Valintino on Aug 14, 2017 18:25:01 GMT -5
The post never mentioned he appeared on TV, so its not really spoilers. Plus im pretty sure all the NXT episodes have been taped all the way toward the Takeover |
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Post by toki on Aug 14, 2017 19:56:14 GMT -5
Surprised this hadn't been posted yet, or maybe I just missed it but:
PWInsider.com is reporting that former ROH star Adam Cole has officially signed a deal with WWE. Cole is expected to start at the Performance Center this week. There has been speculation that Cole will appear at this Saturday's NXT Takeover event in Brooklyn.
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