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Post by Kill Em' All on Aug 21, 2017 22:22:24 GMT -5
I feel like the greatest one was Sheamus. I mean he debuted on main TV in like October. Champion by December. He beats Cena, ok. (BTW I really liked the TLC 2009 PPV) but he goes on to have confusing match with a antihero like Randy Orton at the Rumble. Then he drops the belt at Elimination Chamber then looses to Tripe H at WrestleMania 26. Then he beats HHH, flounders around and wins back the WWE Championship.
I feel like Sheamus was very force fed down our throats. I couldn't stand him at the time. I feel like his character could of been built up and he could just go on a tear through 2009/Summer of 2010. Then have him win the belt and carry through to Survivor Series. Have Orton take it off him/Miz cash in and what not.
Sheamus's early career was real odd. 2009-2011 he has won the WWE Championship twice and then became King Sheamus and like had brief US Champion run.
I do say when Sheamus turned face in 2011, the character was real entertaining. I really liked Sheamus from 2011-2014, and his World Title reign.
I also feel Jack Swagger in 2010. I never really disliked Swagger. But, I feel he is what brought the World Title to a B title status. Well, I can't blame him. But that's when I feel the belt was lowered. His World Title was horrible. He beats Orton at Extreme Rules 2010 which was solid. He looks horrible in a feud with Big Show. He drops the belt at Fatal 4 way, although his feud with Rey was great. I don't even think he made the Summer Slam card.
I forget Jack Swagger was even World Champion.
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Post by K5 on Aug 21, 2017 23:37:50 GMT -5
i suppose a lot of people on this forum would argue that bayley also won it too early.
i felt that lesnar's reign at the top after beating the rock at summerslam was rushed at the time, but in retrospect enjoy the booking. i am just a big rock fan.
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Post by hbkbigdaddycool on Aug 22, 2017 1:41:27 GMT -5
Any main event guy in NXT for the past 2 years.
When Balor left, the quickly put the belt on Nakamura, then on Joe, then on Roode, and now on McIntyre. Probably because Vince keeps bringing up the guys after they lose the NXT Title. So they have to make new champions faster than before.
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Post by PJ on Aug 22, 2017 2:14:31 GMT -5
Let's keep it to classics and not talk about the modern wrestlers here.
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Post by Rated [R] NinJa on Aug 22, 2017 4:19:45 GMT -5
Although I enjoyed seeing him become champion, it's been stated in the past that Randy Orton wasn't ready to be world heavyweight champion in 2004.
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Post by theoutlaw1999 on Aug 22, 2017 6:42:08 GMT -5
Finn Balor winning the Univeral title weeks after his debut was almost career suicide. People didn't know who he was and began to resent him. Thankfully they didn't make the same mistake with Nakamura.
Sheamus is another guy who should've been developed longer. Now there are rumours that his win was a botch but at the same time he was never a guy I could get into and I remember screaming when he won the title.
Randy Orton' first win also left a question mark above my head. He wins in 2004, holds it for a month and then doesn't win it again until 2007.
What exactly was the point of him winning the belt? There are many other ways he could've split from Evolution.
Finally I will say Brock Lesnar at Summerslam 2002. Now hate me for saying this but looking back at his original run I thought he was given too much too quickly. It would've been better if he had a destructive run in 2002 and really struck fear in the entire roster. Then he would go on to win the 2003 Rumble and after that finally win the belt at WM 19. It would've told a much better story.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2017 8:28:12 GMT -5
Finn Balor, Paige, Jack Swagger, Gail Kim.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2017 8:50:03 GMT -5
Rocky Maivia got the IC title early hence why people hated him.
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Post by Eugene69 on Aug 22, 2017 11:16:38 GMT -5
Triple h. They kept trying to make him seem important with those late 99 title runs but it wasnt until he "married" Stephanie that he started to feel like a true main eventer
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Post by TheBadGuyChico on Aug 22, 2017 11:17:29 GMT -5
Lesnar was immediately the baddest dude on the roster upon debuting, that's insane.
They also executed his title shot quite well.
Debuts and destroys low mid card guys
Destroys both Hardy Boyz in fun little matches
Beats Bubba in some good stiff matches
Wins the King of the Ring by defeating the highly popular Rob Van Dam
Beats Ric Flair
Take out Hulk Hogan in dominating fashion
I'm sorry just how believable he was in doing all of this, beating the Rock for the title wasn't even a surprise. Rock was the underdog!
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Post by Zincdust on Aug 22, 2017 11:46:55 GMT -5
Rocky Maivia got the IC title early hence why people hated him. Oh, we hated him LONG before he won that belt. Personally, I couldn't stand the way Vince would lose his mind about Rocky on commentary, trying to convince the audience that we did, in fact, think that he was the most exciting wrestler of all time. "EVERYBODY *LOVES* THE BLUE-CHIPPER!!!" *crowd boos the heck out of Rocky* But I do agree with your point; in fact, when I read the title of this thread, Rocky winning the IC belt was the first thing that I thought of. |
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Post by Artie Kendall on Aug 22, 2017 13:57:50 GMT -5
When you say the belt I assume you mean the World title. I'll play Devil's advocate and say Bret Hart. The company didn't do him any favors with how the title changed hands though.
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Post by Rated [R] NinJa on Aug 22, 2017 19:12:45 GMT -5
Lesnar was immediately the baddest dude on the roster upon debuting, that's insane. They also executed his title shot quite well. Debuts and destroys low mid card guys Destroys both Hardy Boyz in fun little matches Beats Bubba in some good stiff matches Wins the King of the Ring by defeating the highly popular Rob Van Dam Beats Ric Flair Take out Hulk Hogan in dominating fashion I'm sorry just how believable he was in doing all of this, beating the Rock for the title wasn't even a surprise. Rock was the underdog! I honestly think other than the botched shooting star press at WrestleMania XIX, boring feud with Hardcore Holly & Goldberg match at WrestleMania XX, Lesnar's 2002-2004 run was damn near perfect. |
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Post by BrIaNMeRcY on Aug 23, 2017 8:27:39 GMT -5
After reading every post, here is my take:
- Randy Orton's 2004 world Heavyweight Championship reign. I feel it wasn't too soon to put the title on Orton. You have to remember, the end game was to have Orton/Triple H at WrestleMania 21. However, the WWE had to detour their plans and have subtle hints that Batista was getting sick of Triple H's nonsense. You can really see the detour in effect just after the Survivor Series. Granted Orton's stock declined after losing the title to Triple H at Unforgiven 2004, Orton's feud with The Undertaker really helped rebuild Orton's stock. Orton being a transitional champion wasn't a bad thing. The WWE had an end point in their plans but had to take a detour and put Batista in that role.
- Bret Hart's first reign as the WWF Champion. I have said this before and it is worth repeating. What killed Bret's first run as the champion was the lack of top level guys to go against. Hulk hogan wasn't on TV at the time and neither was Roddy Piper. Vince lost faith in Randy Savage. The lack of guys available to really propel Bret as a legit main eventer really was Bret's detriment. I am sure if Bret had main event guys to work with, his first reign would be more remembered today.
- Jack Swagger's World Heavyweight Championship reign. I am in complete agreement with everybody. Why have him win the Money In The Bank ladder match for him to win the championship, and lose it two months later. I feel this was the case of the championship making the guy when it should be the guy making the championship. Most times, I have to remind myself that Swagger was even a World Champion. Looking back, Swagger could have been a bigger deal. When they paired him up with Zeb Colter, it was years too late.
- Brock Lesnar's first reign as the WWE Champion. For the time, it made a ton of sense. The WWE needed to build up a new and credible main eventer. Brock was simply at the right place, at the right time. According to what Bruce Prichard said on a recent Something To Wrestle podcast, it was The Rock who ultimately made the call to drop it to Brock at SummerSlam 2002. What made Brock the main event draw he became was his No Mercy 2002 Hell In A Cell match against The Undertaker. Too much too soon would be accurate but for the WWE, they needed somebody fresh in the main event scene. The timing was there and it has helped the WWE for the long term.
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Post by PVA on Aug 23, 2017 10:35:31 GMT -5
Randy Orton!!!
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Post by Artie Kendall on Aug 23, 2017 12:02:47 GMT -5
After reading every post, here is my take: - Randy Orton's 2004 world Heavyweight Championship reign. I feel it wasn't too soon to put the title on Orton. You have to remember, the end game was to have Orton/Triple H at WrestleMania 21. However, the WWE had to detour their plans and have subtle hints that Batista was getting sick of Triple H's nonsense. You can really see the detour in effect just after the Survivor Series. Granted Orton's stock declined after losing the title to Triple H at Unforgiven 2004, Orton's feud with The Undertaker really helped rebuild Orton's stock. Orton being a transitional champion wasn't a bad thing. The WWE had an end point in their plans but had to take a detour and put Batista in that role. - Bret Hart's first reign as the WWF Champion. I have said this before and it is worth repeating. What killed Bret's first run as the champion was the lack of top level guys to go against. Hulk hogan wasn't on TV at the time and neither was Roddy Piper. Vince lost faith in Randy Savage. The lack of guys available to really propel Bret as a legit main eventer really was Bret's detriment. I am sure if Bret had main event guys to work with, his first reign would be more remembered today. - Jack Swagger's World Heavyweight Championship reign. I am in complete agreement with everybody. Why have him win the Money In The Bank ladder match for him to win the championship, and lose it two months later. I feel this was the case of the championship making the guy when it should be the guy making the championship. Most times, I have to remind myself that Swagger was even a World Champion. Looking back, Swagger could have been a bigger deal. When they paired him up with Zeb Colter, it was years too late. - Brock Lesnar's first reign as the WWE Champion. For the time, it made a ton of sense. The WWE needed to build up a new and credible main eventer. Brock was simply at the right place, at the right time. According to what Bruce Prichard said on a recent Something To Wrestle podcast, it was The Rock who ultimately made the call to drop it to Brock at SummerSlam 2002. What made Brock the main event draw he became was his No Mercy 2002 Hell In A Cell match against The Undertaker. Too much too soon would be accurate but for the WWE, they needed somebody fresh in the main event scene. The timing was there and it has helped the WWE for the long term. You mentioned top level guys for Bret Hart. He worked the house shows with Ric Flair who was the greatest wrestler in the WWF at the time and I would say that if you looked at Top 5 wrestlers for 1992, Ric Flair is the only one on the WWF roster. Bret wrestled three pay per views as Champion; against Shawn Michaels, Razor Ramon, and Yokozuna. Shawn wasn't 96 Shawn, but Bret wasn't 96 Bret either. Razor was red hot going into that Royal Rumble match even though he hadn't been with the company long. The fans cheered for him even though he was a heel. He lost his third pay per view which was to Yokozuna. Yokozuna debuted for the WWF the same night that Bret Hart won the World title from Ric Flair. I don't disagree that Bret shouldn't have won the title. I think that it could have been executed better. If you are in the Dave Meltzer class of "The best worker in the company should hold the title", then it should have stayed with Flair to the moment he left the company and then put over Bret Hart on TV atleast. The flip side to that is "The title is just a prop" , you go with whoever you think will make you money. |
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Post by BrIaNMeRcY on Aug 23, 2017 13:24:09 GMT -5
After reading every post, here is my take: - Randy Orton's 2004 world Heavyweight Championship reign. I feel it wasn't too soon to put the title on Orton. You have to remember, the end game was to have Orton/Triple H at WrestleMania 21. However, the WWE had to detour their plans and have subtle hints that Batista was getting sick of Triple H's nonsense. You can really see the detour in effect just after the Survivor Series. Granted Orton's stock declined after losing the title to Triple H at Unforgiven 2004, Orton's feud with The Undertaker really helped rebuild Orton's stock. Orton being a transitional champion wasn't a bad thing. The WWE had an end point in their plans but had to take a detour and put Batista in that role. - Bret Hart's first reign as the WWF Champion. I have said this before and it is worth repeating. What killed Bret's first run as the champion was the lack of top level guys to go against. Hulk hogan wasn't on TV at the time and neither was Roddy Piper. Vince lost faith in Randy Savage. The lack of guys available to really propel Bret as a legit main eventer really was Bret's detriment. I am sure if Bret had main event guys to work with, his first reign would be more remembered today. - Jack Swagger's World Heavyweight Championship reign. I am in complete agreement with everybody. Why have him win the Money In The Bank ladder match for him to win the championship, and lose it two months later. I feel this was the case of the championship making the guy when it should be the guy making the championship. Most times, I have to remind myself that Swagger was even a World Champion. Looking back, Swagger could have been a bigger deal. When they paired him up with Zeb Colter, it was years too late. - Brock Lesnar's first reign as the WWE Champion. For the time, it made a ton of sense. The WWE needed to build up a new and credible main eventer. Brock was simply at the right place, at the right time. According to what Bruce Prichard said on a recent Something To Wrestle podcast, it was The Rock who ultimately made the call to drop it to Brock at SummerSlam 2002. What made Brock the main event draw he became was his No Mercy 2002 Hell In A Cell match against The Undertaker. Too much too soon would be accurate but for the WWE, they needed somebody fresh in the main event scene. The timing was there and it has helped the WWE for the long term. You mentioned top level guys for Bret Hart. He worked the house shows with Ric Flair who was the greatest wrestler in the WWF at the time and I would say that if you looked at Top 5 wrestlers for 1992, Ric Flair is the only one on the WWF roster. Bret wrestled three pay per views as Champion; against Shawn Michaels, Razor Ramon, and Yokozuna. Shawn wasn't 96 Shawn, but Bret wasn't 96 Bret either. Razor was red hot going into that Royal Rumble match even though he hadn't been with the company long. The fans cheered for him even though he was a heel. He lost his third pay per view which was to Yokozuna. Yokozuna debuted for the WWF the same night that Bret Hart won the World title from Ric Flair. I don't disagree that Bret shouldn't have won the title. I think that it could have been executed better. If you are in the Dave Meltzer class of "The best worker in the company should hold the title", then it should have stayed with Flair to the moment he left the company and then put over Bret Hart on TV atleast. The flip side to that is "The title is just a prop" , you go with whoever you think will make you money. I can see where you are coming from. I am sure more would remember Bret Hart's later reigns as champion over his first. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2017 13:40:22 GMT -5
When you say the belt I assume you mean the World title. I'll play Devil's advocate and say Bret Hart. The company didn't do him any favors with how the title changed hands though. When I put on wwf superstars and saw that Bret Hart won the wwe title, I was dumbfounded. He lost the IC title 6 weeks earlier! |
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Post by Escape The Rules on Aug 23, 2017 16:06:12 GMT -5
Sheamus, Del Rio and Jack Swagger. All forgettable champions that were pushed way too soon that clearly weren't ready or deserving of a world title run. Maybe even CM Punk in 2008, as much as I loved Punk, that run was doomed from the get go in my opinion, it was almost like they were pushing him begrudgingly and booking him badly on purpose. All I can say is thank Baron Corbin is no longer Mr. MITB. |
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