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Post by alanpartridge on Sept 25, 2017 8:28:13 GMT -5
He'll be dropping the belt to Enzo at Mania...........pigs are also going to be in the sky that day.
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Post by ahunter8056 on Sept 25, 2017 8:33:16 GMT -5
From my point of view, it looked like Cena's fault, at least to start off with. Cena started off overselling Roman's offense to a ridiculous degree. When the match finally did get going, it was just ridiculous that Roman kicked out of 4 AA's (including a Super AA), but Cena only kicked out of 1 Spear. That's just silly in my opinion. The match was a definite let-down. On the plus-side, Roman didn't do 10,000 Superman Punches. But I agree with Rated [R] NinJa. If you really need to discuss this so soon after the event, couldn't you have just had a bit of consideration for those yet to watch, and keep the title spoiler-free? It didn't affect me this time, but it has in the past, and there is simply no need for it. It seems to be occurring more and more often as of late. Just please, have consideration for others in future.
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Post by ahunter8056 on Sept 25, 2017 8:39:05 GMT -5
IKR, There needs to be more rules to what threads can and Can't be made like, News, theorys, questions that don't spoil the PPV etc. I’m not trying to be that guy right now, but I have to. After the PPV is over, it’s not a spoiler. You guys know these threads are gonna be made after a PPV happens. It happens every time and people still complain over it. Maybe take caution and not go into the WWE board until you watch the PPV. It would still be a spoiler to anyone yet to watch. The "don't go into the WWE board" approach does not work at all, considering you can scroll down the forum's main menu, and see the title of the most recent thread. People should not be forced to not use the entire site, simply because other people have no consideration for others. If people had consideration for other people, then this wouldn't be a problem. It's definitely a completely unnecessary issue that does not need to happen, and rules need to be put in place, because this keeps happening more and more often as of late.
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Post by Lorenzo Alcazar on Sept 25, 2017 8:45:26 GMT -5
John Cena HBK SummerSlam 05'd Roman Reigns, lol. Every time Roman Reigns touched him it looked like Cena got shot with a machine gun, lol.
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Post by mutafan on Sept 25, 2017 8:52:58 GMT -5
Roman Reigns sucks the guy only has a handful of moves if it was not for Vince having a hard on for this guy he would be nothing there are so many more deserving of this honor who have more talent. Now you roman fans get to set back and look forward to another boring wrestlemania main even to brock lesnar vs roman reigns. total bullsh&t
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Post by Kanenite on Sept 25, 2017 8:53:47 GMT -5
This whole storyline is trash.
So Cena and Reigns break kayfabe with their worked shoots, and then the resolution of the angle is "well Roman you beat me in a scripted match I guess you really are a success man great job you will carry the WWE k thanks bye".
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Post by bigshab421 on Sept 25, 2017 8:54:00 GMT -5
John Cena HBK SummerSlam 05'd Roman Reigns, lol. Every time Roman Reigns touched him it looked like Cena got shot with a machine gun, lol. Which screams volumes. Cena probably was not enthused by the way he was booked to lose the match and went out and oversold indicatively of the situation.
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Post by bigshab421 on Sept 25, 2017 8:58:53 GMT -5
If WWE protected everyone's finisher like they protect Ambrose's Dirty Deeds or the RKO, this product would be so much better
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Post by Grumpyoldman on Sept 25, 2017 9:01:55 GMT -5
Poor Cesaro losing his front teeth Did he lose them or did they get pushed up into his gum line?
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Post by marino13 on Sept 25, 2017 9:22:13 GMT -5
Common sense would be not to use a blatant title stating that Brock’s still the champion almost immediately after the PPV finished. Common sense would not to create a thread especially when the question is “why is WWE d*ck riding Brock Lesnar” when it could be posted in the PPV thread. If people don’t know how to use this forum then maybe they shouldn’t be on it. Excuse me for being upset over Brock retaining lmao.
You need to seriously chill. Besides its your own fault going into the thread anyway.
He's 100% right. Could have went in the No Mercy thread and your terminology is against the rules here.
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Post by havoc7179 on Sept 25, 2017 9:56:53 GMT -5
John Cena HBK SummerSlam 05'd Roman Reigns, lol. Every time Roman Reigns touched him it looked like Cena got shot with a machine gun, lol. Um Spoilers. Didn't see Summerslam 2005 yet And, I didn't think he was overselling anything. I mean maybe in the initial contact of each move he'd flop around, but he'd bounce right back up. Like in that sequence which saw Cena hit the shoulder block, go for another and eat a throat trust. He then popped back up, did it again. So while he was bouncing around like Ziggler, he wasn't staying down for hours to really sell the effects. He just sold the impact. I think it was weird booking though. I don't want to count the first spear because that was through a table outside and it took a while for Roman to get him back in the ring. I think it was interesting that the second superman punch (or third or whatever it was that actually led to the finish) didn't knock Cena down. It just stunner him for the rebound spear (which apparently has more power than just the spear from the corner).
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Post by Codyverse: Tag Team Champion on Sept 25, 2017 10:03:23 GMT -5
The Wrestlemania plan has been set since the last Wrestlemania and everyone continues to act shocked when Brock wins. Roman vs Brock 2. Always has been the plan. Nobody is shocked. We've all known that's the plan as well. We just don't like it.
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Sept 25, 2017 10:07:48 GMT -5
WWE No Mercy September 24th, 2017 | Staples Center in Los Angeles, California | Attendance: 16,106
Apollo Crews w/ Titus O’Neil vs. Elias Our Kickoff match went the way you’d expect. Apollo brought his energy to start the match before Elias slowed the pace to his liking. Elias is a fine wrestler, but he really gets by on his character. Apollo is kind of the opposite. Anyway, Crews got a short rally going and hit the standing SSP. After getting hit with an enziguri, Elias delivered his signature neckbreaker to win at 8:36. This wasn’t bad, it just felt like almost every other Kickoff match in recent memory. It was easily forgettable, but inoffensive. [**¼]
WWE Intercontinental Championship: The Miz [c] w/ Bo Dallas and Curtis Axel vs. Jason Jordan There is a ton of potential in Jason Jordan, which we saw against John Cena and Roman Reigns. It’s just that the gimmick of being Kurt’s son isn’t working. The Miz played the role of a champion doing everything in his power to keep hold of his title, while Jordan was the young upstart giving his all. Jordan busted out an array of suplexes and sent back some of Miz’s best shots. The main issue with this was that the crowd was very pro-Miz, which made some of Jordan’s stuff not click as well as they probably wanted. Eventually, the Miztourage proved to be too much. Jordan sent them back, only to get nailed with the Skull Crushing Finale at 10:13. I enjoyed this and found it to be a good match. The fan reaction was certainly strange. They told the right story and produced the best match they probably could’ve in front of this crowd. Jordan cut a weak promo after the match that could lead to a potential heel turn. [***]
Bray Wyatt vs. Finn Balor They billed this as “Man vs. Man.” I mean, isn’t that how most matches go? Anyway, Finn busted out new colored gear, only to get attacked by Bray before the match. Officials attempted to bring Finn to the back, but he was goaded into returning when Bray called him a coward. Riveting. The match itself proved to be pretty good. Finn had to fight through the rib damage done before the bell. He sold the hell out of it, which added to things. Bray’s offense didn’t do enough to completely focus on it, which disappointed me. Finn managed to avoid Sister Abigail and picked up the win after hitting Coup de Grace in 11:32. I preferred their SummerSlam match, though this was fine. Finn’s selling helped a ton and it was good for the spot on the card it was in. Hopefully, Finn is done with Bray and moves onto something more interesting. I’m way over Bray and would be okay if he left for a long time. [**¾]
WWE Raw Tag Team Championship: Dean Ambrose and Seth Rollins [c] vs. Cesaro and Sheamus At SummerSlam, these teams had quite the banger. This told a different story, as the champions weren’t able to surprise Cesaro and Sheamus. The challengers bullied the champs in the best possible way. I love Sheamus and Cesaro as a hoss team. Cesaro took a sick shot to the face on the ring post, knocking teeth loose and busting his mouth open. He’s a tough dude who finished the match. Rollins got a hot tag and was awesome in that role. His offense is perfect for it. The match was doing very well and then we got the tease of the SummerSlam finish. Cesaro blocked Seth’s super rana, allowing Sheamus to plant Dean with White Noise. Cesaro then super Ricola Bombed Seth onto Dean, giving us one of the best near falls in recent memory. A miscommunication saw Sheamus kick Cesaro off the apron, before getting hit with the ripcord knee and Dirty Deeds, ending this in 15:55. This ruled and was about as good as the SummerSlam match, while managing to be different. Tons of action, a hot crowd, excellent callbacks and the added element of Cesaro’s injury. I’m all in on a TLC match at the next Raw PPV. [****]
WWE Raw Women’s Championship: Alexa Bliss [c] vs. Bayley vs. Emma vs. Nia Jax vs. Sasha Banks I guess the WWE was sad they haven’t thrown together in a multi-woman PPV match since July. It’s their go-to. The heels got cheered, with Sasha and Bayley continuing to get mixed to negative reactions. Similar to the WrestleMania Fatal Four Way, Nia Jax and her power were the focal point. She dominated in one on one situations, so everyone had to team up on her. For example, Nia delivered a pretty great double Samoan drop. She also took a particularly nasty bump on a powerbomb off the apron, that saw all four women work together. Bayley and Sasha kept breaking up each other’s pins, despite being best friends. I’d assume that’ll lead to tension on Raw, but they’ve missed the boat on that story several times over. Nia returned from that powerbomb to run wild, but Alexa avoided her and beat Bayley with a DDT at 9:41. Why pin Bayley? I’m not some massive Bayley fan, but she just made her return and looked like a joke before the injury. As much as I love Sasha and Emma, them eating the pin made more sense. The match was fun, with lots of moving parts and a good pace. The crowd was invested and the story mostly made sense. Miles better than the Raw Women’s Title match at Mania. [***½]
John Cena vs. Roman Reigns I was so excited for this. There was almost a guaranteed hot crowd and both men deliver in between the ropes. Cena got one of the most overwhelmingly positive reactions in about a decade. That turned into “you both suck” chants, which was a damn shame. Cena teased walked away early, but Reigns brought him back and dominated. They seemed to lay this out so Cena looked similar to Undertaker at WrestleMania. I don’t think that story works here, because he’s not on his last legs like Taker. Cena hasn’t shown signs of slowing down. Anyway, Reigns was in control and got “boring” chants as he slapped on a chinlock. Luckily, the crowd got better following that. Cena got his second win and delivered the AA for a near fall. He also hit the super AA, but Reigns kicked out. AJ Styles and I believe Kevin Owens have done that recently. Cena then set up the two announce tables for an AA through it, perfectly in position for Reigns to counter into a spear through the table. Reigns landed horribly on his neck and the spot looked cool, it just had a lazy set-up. It’s not like Cena hasn’t seen people kick out of that move before. Why would he logically resort to this in a match with rules? Anyway, back inside, Cena hit two more AAs, but Reigns continued to kick out. Reigns came back with a Superman punch and Spear to win in 22:09. Ho-hum. I understood the story they told, but I don’t think it came off well and the match was dull for a good chunk. It picked up late, but even that wasn’t new territory. I’ve been over the “let’s kick out of a ton of finishers” stuff for a while. Reigns’ win felt very anti-climactic, like the rest of the match. This was supposed to feel special, yet it ended up being just another match that will be easy to forget. [**¾]
Post-match, John Cena raised Roman’s hand in victory to a chorus of boos like Royal Rumble 2015. He then got “Thank you Cena” chants as he left and it seemed like he wouldn’t be back for a while.
WWE Cruiserweight Championship: Neville [c] vs. Enzo Amore Enzo came out looking like Beetlejuice. Outfit and hair and everything. He’s been booked as the worst wrestler in his division (he is), with the rest of the division treating him like a joke. Neville has been the savior of the cruiserweights, and never should’ve dropped the title for that week in August. Anyway, Neville mostly squashed him here. Enzo was always the guy with the gift of gab, who took the heat segments in his tag matches. He basically has no offensive game. After Neville missed a middle rope Phoenix Splash, Enzo grabbed the title for a distraction. He then kicked Neville in nuts and won the title in 10:36. That was crap. Bad booking and a bad match. They never put the Tag Titles on Enzo and Cass (like they should’ve), but they cut Neville’s legs off to give Enzo a singles run. [½*]
WWE Universal Championship: Brock Lesnar [c] w/ Paul Heyman vs. Braun Strowman Like Reigns/Cena, I really wanted to enjoy this. I was pumped, especially because Brock/Joe and the Fatal Four Way at SummerSlam were the best Brock matches in about two years. This got off to the right start, with Strowman tossing Lesnar around like nothing. Brock hit a German, but Braun popped up instantly and chokeslammed him. What a moment. Then, Brock managed to turn the tide and the crowd kind of died. He had Braun in the Kimura for an extended time, which would’ve been fine, but Braun was literally right next to the ropes. He could’ve just reached out, but didn’t. Braun delivered a few powerslams, but Brock wouldn’t stay down. Brock hit a series of German suplexes and won after one F5 in 8:51. I’m cool with the match going less than ten minutes, because that was the best route to go. But it was just so flat. If there was any match to have someone survive multiple kickouts, this was it. Like Joe, Braun was built up as a guy who had Brock’s number, then just lost in ho-hum fashion in the end. It’s most likely an attempt to make Roman seem more impressive when he survives multiple F5s at Mania. A flat match that disappointed heavily. A better option would’ve been Brock desperately reaching into his bag of tricks, maybe even doing stuff we haven’t seen in a while, to overcome Braun. [**½]
Overall: 7/10. This show reminded me of WrestleMania. It started out very good, with the first half featuring some quality matches. Then, it ended on a whimper. It was like, the anti-NJPW show, which tends to end hot. I thought Miz/Jordan and Bray/Finn were both solid matches, while the Women’s Title exceeded my expectations. The Tag Team Title match stole the show again. Raw and Smackdown are killing it with that lately. Unfortunately, the last three matches stopped this show’s momentum. Enzo/Neville was a joke, while Reigns/Cena and Brock/Braun were huge disappointments. Despite the flat ending, this was one of the better Raw PPVs since the split last year.
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Post by alanpartridge on Sept 25, 2017 12:02:14 GMT -5
John Cena HBK SummerSlam 05'd Roman Reigns, lol. Every time Roman Reigns touched him it looked like Cena got shot with a machine gun, lol. HBK did it on purpose. Cena did it because of his lack of coordination.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2017 12:02:43 GMT -5
Ambrose took some nasty spots in that match. Gonna have a hard time getting out of bed today, for sure. Cesaro should pick up that new Isaac Yankem figure. Reigns kicking out of 4 AA's made me realize that I have genuine, pure hatred for that man. And I actually like Cena. A lot. Looking back, Cena wasn't so bad when you compare him to what Reigns is now.
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Post by Dan on Sept 25, 2017 12:36:07 GMT -5
For me, having Roman kick out of 4 AA's wasn't the problem. The problem with it, is that the impact of him doing so doesn't generate anywhere near the reaction that it should, purely because everyone just expects him to do it. The same way he went over the Undertaker at Wrestlemania, in such extraordinarily anti-climatic fashion, despite on paper it being one of the most historic wins in wrestling history. Everybody has become accustomed to his booking, and it takes away from the shock factor. As I guessed, they had Cena do the job and raise his hand after to show the Universe that Roman has earned his respect and been passed the torch. However, I think it was clear to see that Cena's face told a different story. You can tell he isn't convinced, and knows it is what it is, and it's the task he's been asked to do. I think even Cena knows Reigns shouldn't be the guy, but he's who they are going with. The stock they've put into Roman and are continuing to do so is going to solidify him as the Greatest of all Time because of what he's going to achieve on paper, and it's going to be such a strong case that nobody will be able to argue with it. It doesn't matter if he has no charisma, a dull moveset, dull attire, can't connect with the fans how they want him to, and has no creative personality whatsoever. They are presenting the guy who has had a whole Royal Rumble revolve around him & his WWE Championship, beaten Triple H at the biggest Wrestlemania of all time, potentially retired the Undertaker at Wrestlemania, had John Cena clearly pass him the torch, and will now be the one to bring home the full cycle rub of being the one to beat Brock Lesnar, the most legitimate WWE & Universal Champion of all time and the man who ended Undertaker's Streak and beat Goldberg, in his fourth straight Main Event of Wrestlemania. I wouldn't be surprised in the slightest if he retires The Rock for the Title at Wrestlemania 35.
As for Lesnar vs Strowman, I felt it was somewhat anti-climatic, and rather flat in the end, considering the talk and build this had. Despite being told Strowman would be getting the biggest dose of Suplex City that Lesnar can possibly give, in the end it was just one F5 after 6 German's. Once again, this leads to Roman. Roman is going to be the one who kicks out of two or three F5's at Wrestlemania, so by having just one F5 still be enough to put away a monster like Strowman, it will make Roman look even more almighty. It's just ridiculous, as there is no reason why he should be able to have the power to do all of this. It took 3 to put away Undertaker at Wrestlemania, yet Roman will no doubt survive that.
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Post by Mayor McCheese on Sept 25, 2017 13:19:09 GMT -5
As a whole this PPV was meh. Cesaro losing his teeth to that ring post was brutal! That was nasty and he still stayed in the match too bad they lost. I would've loved for him to have mounted his front teeth on his belt. lol
With Enzo winning the belt it makes me really wonder why in three tries Aries couldn't win? Giving Enzo the belt will not make me watch 205. I was really looking forward to a cruiserweight show after the tournament but WWE hasn't really delivered on that.
I was surprised that I actually found myself really into the Women's match. I wasn't really looking forward to it but it was more entertaining and had a nice pace to it that I found myself enjoying it. I loved that they finally made Nia a dominating force and that it literally took all four women to put her down at times. I was okay with Bliss retaining but I really wanted Emma to sneak in a win.
I really hope that Finn/Bray are done feuding...as much as I wanted to see these two feud it's been a snooze fest. I am not sure who's to blame? But I have feeling it's not over and these two will go on awhile longer.
Reigns/Cena was another snooze fest. There was a short time when Reigns wasn't really being forced down my throat and I liked that. But now WWE is beating me in the face screaming do you like Reigns now? My answer still is......NO!
Brock/Braun went exactly as I thought.. it was literally no surprise to me. Here was a chance to start something fresh but instead we get the same old Brock match every PPV. If WWE doesn't want Brock to lose the belt why not have Brock get injured and have to vacate the belt? I felt like Braun could've hurt Brock maybe Heyman stops the match against Brock's wishes or the match never started. The belt is vacated the next night on Raw and WWE can build from there. Storyline wise what incentive is there for the roster to compete if there's not a main belt being defended? It would be like teams playing football but no Super Bowl.. makes no sense.
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Post by ahunter8056 on Sept 25, 2017 13:19:57 GMT -5
My thoughts on the PPV:
1) The Miz VS Jason Jordan (Intercontinental Championship) - Decent match. Accomplished what needed to be done.
2) Finn Balor VS Bray Wyatt - Good match. Although I really like Finn, Bray really needed this win. Bray constantly picking fights and being incapable of ever winning a PPV match just makes him look like a complete joke, especially in the way they handled this match. Sure, having Balor coming back from a brutal pre-match ambush and getting the win makes him look strong, but on the other hand it makes Bray look like a complete joke. When they've been doing that for the past couple of years, that's a big problem.
3) The Shield VS The Bar (RAW Tag Team Championships) - Great match! It was grisly just watching the replays and seeing Cesaro missing multiple front teeth and blood across his face. Major respect to Cesaro for battling through that. These are two really great tag teams.
4) Women's Fatal Five Way (RAW Women's Championship) - It was a good match, but just like all multi-woman matches, it deserved more time. Despite the quality of the match, very disappointed that Alexa Bliss wins AGAIN. Nia Jax really should have won. It really should have been Alexa/Nia one-on-one to begin with, but creative showed yet again that they don't have a clue what they're doing, which is such a shame when you consider the potential here. But regardless, it should have been Nia's time. Thankfully Asuka should put Alexa Bliss in her place at TLC. I say that even as someone who's never watched Asuka before (apart from her match with Mickie James). I'm just really sick and tired of Alexa Bliss being superpushed at the expense of everyone else for the past year. Yes, she is good and a total package, but she's not the only woman on the roster who deserves to be on top. Give someone else a shot.
5) Roman Reigns VS John Cena - Disappointing match, definitely a let-down. Cena definitely seemed to be sabotaging the match to begin with, overselling Reigns' offense like HBK against Hogan at Summerslam 2005. Then it was just ridiculous how Reigns kicked out of four AAs (including a Super AA!), yet Cena only managed to kick out of one Spear. One! I don't agree with so many finisher kickouts to begin with from either man, but if they were going to do it, then it should at least have been equal.
6) Neville VS Enzo Amoe (Crusierweight Championship) - Ugh! Just ugh! Enzo winning?! Disgusting. Neville is far too good to lose to someone like Enzo. Then again, the Brooklyn Brawler would be far too good to lose to Enzo in my opinion.
7) Brock Lesnar VS Braun Strowman (Universal Championship) - Despite how disappointed I was with Lesnar retaining, this was a good match, and it was exactly everything it needed to be. It just baffles me how Vince continues to think that having a part timer as a World champion for a substantial period of time is a good idea.
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Post by J12 on Sept 25, 2017 14:10:22 GMT -5
I don't think it can be overstated how much the Seth/Dean reunion has done for both of them. Dean seems like a totally different person - motivated and fulfilled, which is something I don't think we've seen from him in a long while. Meanwhile, Seth is finally firmly rooted as a strong babyface and it comes off naturally, rather than stiff and forced at it did for the first several months.
I also can't give Sheamus and Cesaro enough credit for really being the guys to get that out of the two of them, either. A lot of negativity has spat about Sheamus, and I can't say I disagree with a good amount of it when he's cast in the wrong role (a focal, main event heel), but he's putting forward some of the best work his career and he undoubtedly helped raise the stock on Cesaro. Those two have been absolutely killing it for months. They're credible, they're over, they've got a unified look and great matches to boot.
On a show built entirely around two matches that were certainly big enough to be on the Wrestlemania card, Rollins, Ambrose, Sheamus, and Cesaro went out there and made sure they're the guys everyone is talking about today. They completely ran away with that show last night.
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Post by Irish Wrestling Entertainment on Sept 25, 2017 18:30:00 GMT -5
Sheamus has been putting on quality PPV matches for about 5 years straight now. Just because people didn't notice before doesn't mean it wasn't happening.
Obviously not taking credit away from the other 3 who are fantastic.
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