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Post by theMOESIAH on Sept 11, 2017 21:57:13 GMT -5
Does anyone else agree that the business has evolved beyond the need for them? Personally I think they've always been unnecessary but I get that they had their place and time. But really... what's the point? Take guys like Heath Slater and Sami Zayn. If you beat someone who never wins, what does that accomplish? Give beaten sometime who's useless; it doesn't prove anything. I get that but everyone can win all the time. I'm not advocating that and I also get that most on the roster to through those booking slumps in their careers.
So what's then answer then? TBH, I don't know, but having career jobbers and 50/50 booking clearly isn't working.
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Post by savage on Sept 11, 2017 22:30:14 GMT -5
I think we need more. Having top talent face each other week in and week out is what makes the product stale and PPVs no big deal. I miss the old days where you rarely saw top talent face each other at a normal show other than the main event. It made the matches that much more exciting when you finally got to see it.
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Post by Nivro™ on Sept 11, 2017 22:34:42 GMT -5
The problem is a guy like Sami Zayn gets put into a "jobber role" where he loses a few matches, then when they finally decide to push him its impossible to bring him out of the basement. Do we need jobbers? Absolutely but we need REAL jobbers. Not every match needs to be filled with jobbers but when you water down a Regins vs Cena or Braun vs Lesnar with segment after segment, match after match...it makes watching the PPV brutal.
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Post by ~*Young $ Money*~ on Sept 11, 2017 22:35:10 GMT -5
I think we need more. Having top talent face each other week in and week out is what makes the product stale and PPVs no big deal. I miss the old days where you rarely saw top talent face each other at a normal show other than the main event. It made the matches that much more exciting when you finally got to see it. I 100% agree with you. The product is so stale these days with wrestler A vs wrestler B on a ppv leading to a rematch the next night on raw, then a tag team match, then some kind of interference and a PPV match. Give the fans something to look forward to at the PPV. Make me wanna see these two guys finally get their hands on each other. Instead it's just another match. They don't even have to be squash matches either. There are tons of directions they can go with them
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Post by The Brain on Sept 11, 2017 23:20:09 GMT -5
Bring back weekend morning squash TV!!!
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Post by IRS on Sept 11, 2017 23:26:18 GMT -5
We definitely need more. They started bringing them back more after the brand split last year, and just abandoned it after like a month. Should've kept doing it.
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Post by LostHawk05 on Sept 11, 2017 23:29:26 GMT -5
I think we need more. Having top talent face each other week in and week out is what makes the product stale and PPVs no big deal. I miss the old days where you rarely saw top talent face each other at a normal show other than the main event. It made the matches that much more exciting when you finally got to see it. This. Bring in the jobbers, let the stars showcase their moves, save the big matches for main events and PPVs. When I've discussed this with others I've heard the argument that in this day and age, they need to have top talent constantly face each other to keep their audience interested for seven hours a week. However, its doing the opposite for me.
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Post by TurboEddie on Sept 11, 2017 23:46:36 GMT -5
Jobbers are needed for superstars to build momentum without it being at the expense of other superstars. WWE has been giving away too many big matches for free lately.
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Post by hbkbigdaddycool on Sept 11, 2017 23:52:21 GMT -5
Sami Zayn can be a jobber for the rest of his WWE career as far as I am concerned!
Same with Gallows and Anderson.
I never got the hype with those 3 and never will. And clearly the WWE doesn't get the hype with them either.
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Post by The Natural Eddy Valintino on Sept 12, 2017 0:17:40 GMT -5
I honestly would like more jobbers. And not just "Oh, Braun/Nia/new signee from NXT faces jobber". Example, let Rollins and Ambrose squash 2 jobbers one week while Cesaro and Sheamus cut a promo. I personally would like to see more jobbers, one or two squash matches will not hurt the product
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Post by BØRNS on Sept 12, 2017 2:24:01 GMT -5
I think today's landscape would benefit from a Heat/Velovity-esque shows for each brand, where the talent comingles with Raw/SD where they are expected to lose, but the talent are still competitive amongst themselves on the low-card show. The problem with NXT is that when you're at the top of NXT, it seems you either go to the top of the main roster, or bottom of the main roster. There is no direct congruence between the NXT and main roster. Having a natural transitional phase like they used to have with Heat/Velocity introduced new talent in a realistic and organic way. The stepwise system of NXT to main roster is a huge barrier for today's talent and overall product.
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Post by Thought Collector on Sept 12, 2017 3:18:37 GMT -5
Bring back weekend morning squash TV!!!
Having this, Saturday morning network cartoons back and Reality television officially dead and gone would be like Christmas morning for me.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2017 5:04:57 GMT -5
Hell yes. Bring in local talent for this. Give local talent the oppertunity to feel what working infront of 16,000 people is like.
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Post by theoutlaw1999 on Sept 12, 2017 7:02:49 GMT -5
Jobbers are awesome.
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Post by robbutler01 on Sept 12, 2017 7:12:31 GMT -5
completely agree. Bring them back and use them to get people over like they used to do. Ive said before and ill say again that I cant get into a character if they loose all the time then suddenly start to win out of no where then loose again etc. Jobbers make the big stars look awesome and without damaging a potential new stars aura.
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Post by JC Motors on Sept 12, 2017 9:21:38 GMT -5
They are still needed
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Post by marino13 on Sept 12, 2017 9:23:08 GMT -5
I certainly wouldn't want to go back to how it was when I was a kid. Where you'd get squash match after squash match with a few decent matches sprinkled in. But I wouldn't be against having some on RAW & SD from time to time. Because while I do love seeing top main event matches each week, it does wear away at the hype for a PPV match.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2017 10:21:16 GMT -5
Either jobbers, or use enhancement talent as just that... enhancement talent.
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Post by TheBadGuyChico on Sept 12, 2017 11:16:24 GMT -5
I honestly have not enjoyed feuds anymore close to as much since the days of squash matches. I think it's a very fundamental aspect of booking professional wrestling. Character protection is more important to live events and PPVs, but we live in the television era. Television when i was a kid was simply a vehicle to sell said events and PPVs, nothing more and nothing less. In the syndication era, the WWF only stood to make so much money off of the television product, so it existed as an hour long commercial for your local area and again... PPVS. I would argue that this was highly effective in regards to these products. TV was about establishing feuds and getting your moveset over, it was a lot of promo work and skinny fat asses getting pounded lol. It was short, sweet, and to the point. I liken it as a sampler of greater things, it wet your whistle for the good stuff.
Again now we live in the TV era, where millions upon Millions of dollars are on the line. People for whatever reason demand to see these stars beat each other on TV multiple times a year, not sure how that makes the PPV still work for these people. I don't hate wrestling television post 80's, i thought Raw through out 1996-97 put on a very good weekly show while still protecting the wrestlers in a 2 hour format. 3 though? It's absolute garbage imo, nothing good comes of it. We're not even in a boom period, how is their demand for this much wrestling content?
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Post by Next Manufactured’s Sweater on Sept 12, 2017 12:19:07 GMT -5
They definitely have their benefit - they make the real wrestlers look like winners, and they establish the trademark moves. And the big one is they protect wrestler vs wrestler matches, rather than the current system where everyone has wrestled everyone and hardly anything seems big or unique or important.
However, the TV show has evolved past them and there's no way that Raw or SmackDown could just become like really long episodes of Wrestling Challenge.
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