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Post by K5 on Sept 21, 2017 11:02:55 GMT -5
it's all about protection of character, and nakamura has had 0 since he entered the 'sink or swim' wwe main roster. they've exposed all his weaknesses and then blamed him for them.
wwe has never handled asian talent well though.
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Post by bigshab421 on Sept 21, 2017 12:32:56 GMT -5
The problem is that while I enjoy Jinder (character and presentation), he should not be anywhere near the WWE Title. I would have understood if they want to build him into the US Title and have him carry that, but this is unforgivable at this point.
Imho, K.O. should be champion right now, terrorizing SDL and feuding with Shane, with Nakamura eventually chasing him. Nakamura needs better oponents to bring out his fire, because Jinder and Ziggler aren't doing it.
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Post by blissfan4life on Sept 21, 2017 13:19:06 GMT -5
I mean, the entire WWE Title picture is an afterthought. At best, it's the third "biggest" match on the Hell in a Cell card, primarily because Jinder Mahal is not a credible champion, people aren't buying into him as a main event player, and his segments are tanking. But Nakamura isn't without fault, either. He's been grossly underwhelming since arriving on the main roster, and no one should be blaming Vince McMahon if he's looking at him right now saying, "what's the big deal about this guy?" There's little doubt that Triple H's influence is helping keep Nakamura as a title contender, but when Jinder Mahal is holding the World Title, being a title contender really doesn't mean all that much. Like usual with Vince McMahon, there's a little bit of self-fulfilling prophecy going on. Vince likely doubted Nakamura's ability coming in, and so he put him in less-than-desirable conditions, which led to Nakamura underwhelming, which leads to Vince thinking he was right all along. Granted, Nakamura got some big-time matches with both Cena and Orton, but both were the cookie-cutter 10 minute TV main event affairs, so it's hard to blame anybody for not knocking it out of the park in those scenarios. Shinsuke should be better, but even AJ Styles couldn't pull a good match out of Jinder Mahal. I think the segments the last two weeks were less about "burying" Nakamura than they were trying to find a pulse on Jinder (there isn't one, by the way.) Either way, you can't put those two in the ring together to have a traditional back-and-forth on the microphone. Nakamura's English is too broken to pull off the traditional WWE, main event style promo, and Jinder isn't even in the ballpark of being able to carry him to a decent back and forth. Jinder can't even be compelling by himself. I agree with all that you've said here. I also know that I'll never convince you that Jinder is doing his job as best he can. Jinder Mahal is in the same ballpark as Lex Luger - the look, the body - it all seems perfect. But just like people dog on Lex, he was able to hang with Sting and Ric Flair back in the day, and I don't see anything so terrible in Jinder's ring performance that he can't hang with uninspired Orton or Shinsuke. And frankly I think AJ could bring out the best in him. AJ can make a broom look good. Can't blame Nakamura when he's stuck with crap opponents like Jinder and Dolph. Give him people like Styles, Cena, Owens, etc and he does way better. Not ShinSuke's fault he can't carry Jinder " I swear I'm not on roids " Mahal. Here's the problem I have with your opinion (as usual). If Shinsuke is this phenomenal global international star as he's marketed to be, he should be able to pull off any match with anyone. AJ Styles is a great example of someone who can do that. Again, hard to pull off classics when right off the bat you're given crapopponents.
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Post by Jonathan Karate on Sept 21, 2017 14:07:39 GMT -5
Honestly outside of MITB, Vs. Cena and Vs. Orton Shinsuke hasn't looked so great since coming to Smackdown.
And oddly enough the Orton match was his best work in a long time period.
So if Vince is souring on his than it is sort of justifiable.
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Post by hbkbigdaddycool on Sept 21, 2017 14:13:11 GMT -5
I know I did create this thread, but maybe it just comes down to that.... Nakamura really isn't as good as people perceive him to be??
All I have seen from him is that he does sloppy kicks, knees people in the face, and drops wrestlers on their head with a back suplex.
His style isn't what a WWE style of wrestling should be. I don't think he's truly adapted to that WWE style to be honest.
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Post by LA Times on Sept 21, 2017 20:43:10 GMT -5
Maybe Vince McMahon should be souring on Jinder Mahal as World Champion. These are pictures of the crowd at the Oracle Arena from Smackdown on Tuesday. I think Ive seen more people in the Impact Zone.
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Post by Glorydaysofwrestling on Sept 21, 2017 21:29:15 GMT -5
Wow, that's crazy...but expected considering the state of professional wrestling.
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Post by Kanenite on Sept 21, 2017 21:40:09 GMT -5
Has Shinsuke set the world on fire since coming to the Main Roster? No.
But would he be more entertaining if he wasn't working with/jobbing to guys who are absolutely trash? Probably.
If Shinsuke can get away from Mahal and maybe get a build for AJ/Nakamura for the WWE title at Mania, I think they would tear it down.
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Post by Cameron Stone on Sept 22, 2017 4:23:32 GMT -5
Is Vince souring on Nakamura?
I really hope so
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Post by bigshab421 on Sept 22, 2017 6:55:45 GMT -5
Another thing to consider is that maybe is toning down his style? I feel like either Vince is telling him to step off the gas, or his opponents don't want to go stiff with him.
Its so weird to see the drop in quality between NXT and WWE Nakamura. Not saying he was incredible in NXT, but there was definitely an intensity and style. On SDL, he is playing it too safe or his opponents are too afraid.
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Post by blissfan4life on Sept 22, 2017 14:28:20 GMT -5
I know I did create this thread, but maybe it just comes down to that.... Nakamura really isn't as good as people perceive him to be?? All I have seen from him is that he does sloppy kicks, knees people in the face, and drops wrestlers on their head with a back suplex. His style isn't what a WWE style of wrestling should be. I don't think he's truly adapted to that WWE style to be honest. Hard to adapt when given crap opponents. He's not even half as sloppy as you make him out to be.
Plus That Cena being dropped on his head issue was Cena's fault for not bumping properly.
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