hbkowns
Main Eventer
Joined on: Aug 15, 2011 23:33:52 GMT -5
Posts: 4,275
|
Post by hbkowns on Oct 4, 2017 12:42:54 GMT -5
Now I understand that ultimate warrior's passing was truly untimely. Even though I was never a fan of his I do recognize how big of a superstar he was in WWE in the late 80s to early 90s. He was certainly a draw and one of the biggest names in WWE. His career was most certainly Hall of Fame worthy but the recognition should stop there.
Outside of wrestling warrior wasn't that great of a human being. He has said some pretty derogatory and irrational remarks about a lot of people within the wrestling business and outside of the wrestling business for years. He's made homophobic remarks and has said gays are the abomination of this world. He bashed Bobby Heenan when he was fighting cancer and said it was "karma". He tried to justify hurricane Katrina and said they deserved it because they "didn't appreciate what they had." He said MLK day was "stupid" and said we should instead have a day in honor for the first president of the U.S. (despite him being a slave owning a racist himself). Warrior has also tried to exploit Hulk Hogan as well, called him a whore and has made up fabrications about the Hulkster as well.
While I understand that WWE's desire to work with multiple charitable organizations such as Susan G Koman and Connors Cure. I find it offensive that warrior's name is attached to these organizations as if he were some sort of angel. People within these organizations probably don't know what this guy was outside of wrestling and who he was was, and what comments he made.
WWE abolished hulk hogan for one comment he made years ago but ultimate warrior has his own award-wing within the Hall of Fame and has been known as a racist right winged homophobic bigot for most of his life.
Am I the only one who finds this offensive?
|
|
|
Post by tylerbreezee on Oct 4, 2017 12:45:59 GMT -5
Idc
|
|
|
Post by K5 on Oct 4, 2017 12:51:16 GMT -5
you’re throwing the baby out with the bath water here. rather the person behind the warrior character was troubled or not is irrelevant, the wwe is using the idea of being a warrior for their charities’ marketing. nothing to overthink or over complicate. it just...doesn’t matter.
there’s a ton of real world issues, like the shooting in Las Vegas, that should command all your room for being offended. not the wwe’s charity name. you sound like an overprotective parent.
|
|
Mirror Images
Main Eventer
fan since '92
Joined on: Jun 7, 2005 4:07:40 GMT -5
Posts: 2,809
|
Post by Mirror Images on Oct 4, 2017 12:59:25 GMT -5
I think you could argue that they are using this simply because of the Warrior connection to battling breast cancer! Just WWEs PR machine at work!
|
|
hbkowns
Main Eventer
Joined on: Aug 15, 2011 23:33:52 GMT -5
Posts: 4,275
|
Post by hbkowns on Oct 4, 2017 13:03:26 GMT -5
you’re throwing the baby out with the bath water here. rather the person behind the warrior character was troubled or not is irrelevant, the wwe is using the idea of being a warrior for their charities’ marketing. nothing to overthink or over complicate. it just...doesn’t matter. there’s a ton of real world issues, like the shooting in Las Vegas, that should command all your room for being offended. not the wwe’s charity name. you sound like an overprotective parent. Ok and Hulk Hogan made the comments a decade ago that landed him hot water and isn't even mentioned in WWE right now. You mentioned that they're just marketing the Warrior character not the person...so was that the Hogan character or Hogan himself who made those comments that currently holds him exiled from WWE..... Hmmm & Yes I don't live under a rock. I'm completely aware of the tragic event that happened in Las Vegas and of course that's on my mind but this isn't the outlet on this forum to address that event.
|
|
|
Post by J12 on Oct 4, 2017 13:04:46 GMT -5
It's tone deaf, like a lot of what they do. They've been celebrating Warrior's life and legacy as though he wasn't a horrible person for the last few years now. The only way you can really justify it is if you tell yourself that WWE is celebrating the Ultimate Warrior character, and not the man behind it. That's a slippery slope, though, and not one I'd care to play on if I were them. See: Chris Benoit, Hulk Hogan.
At least they weren't as heavy handed the last couple of nights as they usually are. The Dana Warrior segments were more about the "warrior" spirit rather than the gimmick.
|
|
Deleted
Joined on: Sept 29, 2024 3:19:17 GMT -5
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2017 13:11:35 GMT -5
You should find it more offensive that Warrior said in his Hall of Fame induction that the Warrior Award was for guys behind the scenes and WWE turns that around into a PR moment each year. One year Jimmy Miranda will get his award and the guys behind the scenes will get their recognition.
|
|
|
Post by bababooey on Oct 4, 2017 13:13:35 GMT -5
I feel like they are slowly trying to separate the person and even the character from the name, logo, and music. From a marketing standpoint they are probably only looking at the buzz word "Warrior". When someone is fighting a battle, calling them a warrior is a compliment. Also, the colors and logo catch the eye. And his music gets you really charged up.
A lot of people will attest to Warrior treating people like crap and being a difficult person. I'm willing to bet that WWE almost wants us to forget Ultimate Warrior was an actual person.
|
|
havoc7179
Main Eventer
What is this?
Joined on: Oct 16, 2012 9:11:18 GMT -5
Posts: 4,189
|
Post by havoc7179 on Oct 4, 2017 13:42:31 GMT -5
I'm indifferent but I will say this. Knowing how the Utlimate Warrior felt about Heenan and seemed to relish in him suffering from cancer, I think it's ironic that he's being used to promote an organization that seeks to help breast cancer survivors.
As for the original question, like I said, I'm indifferent. It doesn't upset or agitate me. It does just reek of irony.
"As for you, Bobby Heenan, it’s just too difficult to keep a straight face talking about the pure two-faced bag of s**t you are (and have always been), what, with you also actually wearing one as a piece of body jewelry. You are dying, dis-eased on the inside, and no more time is left to get back any of the integrity that matters the most on death’s bed. Imagine what it will be like, lying there taking in your last breaths, knowing you whored yourself out your whole life, and had to, in your final years, be faced with emptying your own personal s**t bag affirming to you the true value of what you achieved in your life. Not even Vince could come up with a better finish than this. Kharma is just a beautiful thing to behold." - Ultimate Warrior
|
|
|
Post by K5 on Oct 4, 2017 13:46:53 GMT -5
you’re throwing the baby out with the bath water here. rather the person behind the warrior character was troubled or not is irrelevant, the wwe is using the idea of being a warrior for their charities’ marketing. nothing to overthink or over complicate. it just...doesn’t matter. there’s a ton of real world issues, like the shooting in Las Vegas, that should command all your room for being offended. not the wwe’s charity name. you sound like an overprotective parent. Ok and Hulk Hogan made the comments a decade ago that landed him hot water and isn't even mentioned in WWE right now. You mentioned that they're just marketing the Warrior character not the person...so was that the Hogan character or Hogan himself who made those comments that currently holds him exiled from WWE..... Hmmm & Yes I don't live under a rock. I'm completely aware of the tragic event that happened in Las Vegas and of course that's on my mind but this isn't the outlet on this forum to address that event. it wasn’t hulk hogan’s comments that got him in the hot water, it was how the mainstream media fixated on his comments and made them international news headlines that made it an unavoidable issue with the wwe. michael hayes called mark henry the n word yet he’s still on the payroll. why? because it didn’t make front page news. if the mainstream media got all caught up in warrior’s racist comments from a decade ago, the warrior charity would not exist. but they didn’t, so it does exist. and you didn’t get my point: rather this forum is for discussing Las Vegas’ incident or not, you’re focussing on an irrelevant issue that really isn’t important whatsoever instead of what’s really going wrong with this world. there is a lot to be offended by, this isn’t one of those things.
|
|
|
Post by UltimateCollector78 on Oct 4, 2017 13:57:03 GMT -5
A thread created to spew hate on a deadman, you should not create a thread just because you thought about something.
|
|
|
Post by Mox on Oct 4, 2017 14:08:13 GMT -5
|
|
torriefan4life
Superstar
Joined on: Mar 9, 2012 13:27:48 GMT -5
Posts: 812
|
Post by torriefan4life on Oct 4, 2017 14:10:23 GMT -5
I agree 100%! I'm sick of WWE acting like Warrior was the perfect human, he was really a pretty mean person. Pretty sad a guy like that is honored how he is and look what they did to Hulk Hogan. Add in the fact that Warrior's wife is one of the most annoying people I have ever seen on TV.
|
|
|
Post by IRS on Oct 4, 2017 14:14:04 GMT -5
WWE whitewashing history and being hypocritical?
Must be a day of the week that ends with a 'y'.
|
|
|
Post by hbkbigdaddycool on Oct 4, 2017 14:17:00 GMT -5
I wouldn't be shocked if Dana Warrior slept with Vince McMahon to get this job working for WWE now.
Unless Vince has some guilt over Warrior passing and all those years that he never talked to him, I just don't see why we have to see a real life version of Mr. Burns on our TV in dressed in drag, like we do when we see Dana Warrior.
|
|
|
Post by ahunter8056 on Oct 4, 2017 14:22:26 GMT -5
Like it or not, Warrior was a wrestling icon who was shunned by WWE for far too long. I personally think it's great that the character has not only been acknowledged, but it's being used to promote great causes. Warrior, the person, was known for having an incredibly strong will. I think that is exactly why Warrior was chosen as the symbol to promote these charities. They're not promoting Warrior's negative beliefs, they're promoting his strong will.
I'll be honest, I'd never read half of those quotes you say he said before. Please don't think I'm calling you a liar, or requesting that you provide evidence. I'm simply stating that if Warrior did actually say any of those things, I was unaware of it.
If I'm going to be 100% honest, I'll readily admit that I am biased when it comes to the Ultimate Warrior. My personal experience meeting him was so great and so memorable, that I find it impossible to focus on any negative thing he said. I just know that no matter what his beliefs were, he was kind and pleasant to his fans. And when it comes to celebrities, that's all you can ask for. You don't necessarily have to agree with their views (if he really was a racist, homophobic, right-wing bigot, then I cannot agree with any of those things at all).
Speaking of Bobby Heenan, this is the point I really have to take objection to. In the Self-Destruction of the Ultimate Warrior DVD, Bobby Heenan came across as an incredibly petty, jealous, bitter man trying desperately to be funny while making outright lies (Heenan's comments that nobody in the locker room liked Warrior was contradicted by Warrior's comments in his HOF speech, and Warrior's WWE published biography). I am not justifying Warrior mocking Heenan for cancer in the slightest, because that's sick and too far no matter which way you spin it. I'm just saying that you can't pretend it was a one-sided rivalry. Both Warrior and Heenan had very vicious words to say about each other.
So in conclusion, no, I don't find it offensive.
|
|
Deleted
Joined on: Sept 29, 2024 3:19:17 GMT -5
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2017 14:49:17 GMT -5
I agree 100%! I'm sick of WWE acting like Warrior was the perfect human, he was really a pretty mean person. Pretty sad a guy like that is honored how he is and look what they did to Hulk Hogan. Add in the fact that Warrior's wife is one of the most annoying people I have ever seen on TV. I agree she is. 2 years ago on summerslam weekend she was signing copies of Warrior's book and people actually attended. Why would people want her autograph? She's nobody.
|
|
|
Post by blissfan4life on Oct 4, 2017 15:03:18 GMT -5
Yes. The man has too young daughters who are without a father, I don't think Warrior deserves to slandered when he can't defend himself. Have some sympy for his kids.
|
|
|
Post by BoJack Hogan on Oct 4, 2017 15:07:21 GMT -5
I was thinking about this the last two nights, and it definitely bugs me. I honestly never liked the Warrior, and he is one of the last people that I would have as the face of philanthropy. WWE loves to rewrite history. They are suckers for a good marketing campaign. I have so many problems with all of this, but to be fair it is kind of poetic justice having Warrior - a guy who based on Bret's book couldn't care less about people with cancer - as the face of WWE's Komen - a company well known for deceptive claims and a focus on money vs an actual cure - campaign. I see through the bs, and cringe every time he's painted as some kind of saint. That said, I'm human, it warms my heart to see the cancer survivors getting recognition and having a good time. Komen is crap, but if the campaign spreads awareness of this terrible disease, increases screenings, and saves some lives then it isn't all bad.
Speaking of not all bad since people keep bringing up Hogan, Hogan is a very easy target, he's no saint. But at the end of the day Hogan has done a lot of good things, something that can't really be said about Warrior. I don't care at all about the people Hogan held back in wrestling, it means nothing in the real world. I'd have no issues with Hogan being the face of this or any other charity (unless it was something like the NAACP or the United Negro Nephew Fund, it just wouldn't look good).
|
|
|
Post by Sizzle on Oct 4, 2017 15:09:24 GMT -5
I care maybe like 12%
|
|