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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2017 9:16:07 GMT -5
Most of the legend collectors here have slowed down on posting due to having familys, jobs etc but that doesnt mean they arent still buying figures either
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Post by Mr Ezekiel Jackson If Ya Nasty on Oct 28, 2017 9:36:28 GMT -5
Most of the legend collectors here have slowed down on posting due to having familys, jobs etc but that doesnt mean they arent still buying figures either The problem is that legend collectors aren't speaking with their wallets, not because of lack of message board postings. We can point out legends and current wrestlers who aren't selling. But for Mattel, Flashbacks aren't moving enough units to justify making more than the current people in the regular basic & elite series.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2017 9:43:28 GMT -5
Most of the legend collectors here have slowed down on posting due to having familys, jobs etc but that doesnt mean they arent still buying figures either The problem is that legend collectors aren't speaking with their wallets, not because of lack of message board postings. We can point out legends and current wrestlers who aren't selling. But for Mattel, Flashbacks aren't moving enough units to justify making more than the current people in the regular basic & elite series. Ive seen a lot of current wrestlers Rotting on shelves as well, Rusev, Dean Ambrose, Sami Zayn, Sheamus, Cesaro, Daniel Bryan, Dolph for example And besides that, no one knows how many numbers of each figure are being shipped out. It actually helps the hobby to have multiple groups of people buying figures, everyone wants to armchair quarterback this and offer their advice but the fact is there can be a happy medium. Certain figures can be shortpacked. If everyone wants flashback collectors to be alienized then there goes a percentage of sales down the drain. A lot of these new faces to the line are moving very well because people are filling out their rosters but once mattel catches up to the current fan demands and everyone already has one of everyone then you can expect a lot more figures to warm shelves in the current product as well and at that point it would be nice for them to have flashback collectors still hanging on to supplement sales no?
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Post by Nivro™ on Oct 28, 2017 9:52:30 GMT -5
Its asinine to say "well Legends collectors arent buying figures" when I can go to just about any discount store and buy one of the latest AJ Styles, John Cena, Kevin Owens or Seth Rollins figures.
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Post by Mr Ezekiel Jackson If Ya Nasty on Oct 28, 2017 10:30:24 GMT -5
Its asinine to say "well Legends collectors arent buying figures" when I can go to just about any discount store and buy one of the latest AJ Styles, John Cena, Kevin Owens or Seth Rollins figures. That's true but WWE doesn't have to sign current talents to merch deals like they do with legends. Plus those guys are popular and therefore get more figures than everyone else. Used to be almost every series had John Cena. Now, it's Roman and others.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2017 10:33:57 GMT -5
Serious question: When did Greg the Hammer Valentine and Hercules become the figures people are 'outraged' are not in the line yet. Why do these two always come up lately? And yes the pic was taken to show one of the figures more clearly than the others Well Hammer and Herc are missing holes in all of our classic collections.. along with cancelled Koko... Id rather have those 3 than another Macho Man, or Sting, or Warrior. Come on Bill you should sorta know that already bud. Bill knows that no matter how many Savages, Stings, and Warriors are made, they will sell. The same can't be said for 3 lower-midcard guys from the 80s.
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Post by Mr Ezekiel Jackson If Ya Nasty on Oct 28, 2017 10:34:03 GMT -5
The problem is that legend collectors aren't speaking with their wallets, not because of lack of message board postings. We can point out legends and current wrestlers who aren't selling. But for Mattel, Flashbacks aren't moving enough units to justify making more than the current people in the regular basic & elite series. Ive seen a lot of current wrestlers Rotting on shelves as well, Rusev, Dean Ambrose, Sami Zayn, Sheamus, Cesaro, Daniel Bryan, Dolph for example And besides that, no one knows how many numbers of each figure are being shipped out. It actually helps the hobby to have multiple groups of people buying figures, everyone wants to armchair quarterback this and offer their advice but the fact is there can be a happy medium. Certain figures can be shortpacked. If everyone wants flashback collectors to be alienized then there goes a percentage of sales down the drain. A lot of these new faces to the line are moving very well because people are filling out their rosters but once mattel catches up to the current fan demands and everyone already has one of everyone then you can expect a lot more figures to warm shelves in the current product as well and at that point it would be nice for them to have flashback collectors still hanging on to supplement sales no? There won't be a happy medium. Some collector demographics will be left out in the cold. Even with the new WWE girls line is not making all women figure collectors happy. Mattel got way more lines than 5 years ago but it still isn't enough to please.
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Post by Yayo on Oct 28, 2017 10:59:28 GMT -5
Most of the legend collectors here have slowed down on posting due to having familys, jobs etc but that doesnt mean they arent still buying figures either So, you're saying only legends collectors have jobs and families? Wut lol
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Post by CampCornette on Oct 28, 2017 11:00:09 GMT -5
Anyone saying it's Chyna is out of their minds. She died desperately trying to make amends with wwe and they wanted nothing to do with her. I doubt in her death, where her "legacy" is now set in stone and she can't right the wrongs she made in life will they be willing to act like her past didn't happen.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2017 11:15:13 GMT -5
Serious question: When did Greg the Hammer Valentine and Hercules become the figures people are 'outraged' are not in the line yet. Why do these two always come up lately? Is this a legit question or are you just messing with us?? As has already been pointed out by several other members, Valentine was a popular mid-carder from the Golden era and former IC & tag champ. Hercules was another mainstay from the Golden era AND only 1 figure of him has ever been made thus the demand for a Mattel figure of him. Serious question: Why were Berzerker and Warlord such a priority to be made when the demand for these is probably on par with (or more likely less then) the demand for Valentine and Herc?!
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Post by Nivro™ on Oct 28, 2017 11:15:16 GMT -5
Serious question: When did Greg the Hammer Valentine and Hercules become the figures people are 'outraged' are not in the line yet. Why do these two always come up lately? And yes the pic was taken to show one of the figures more clearly than the others To answer your question, you all have done a pretty good job at getting us the figures we want. However most people would rather have new names and not repaints. If you asked active roster collectors if they'd rather have a repainted Dean Ambrose or a first in line Bobby Roode, 9/10 they are going to pick the new figure. Legends line is no different, outside of fixing "questionable decisions" we dont need/want a 5th Stone Cold or another repaint of Warrior or Savage if you have the ability to give us a Greg Valentine or Skinner or whomever that would be new to the collection. I personally have bought every single elite flashback/legend/dm that has been made (exceptions of rereleases). When i see another Macho Man or another Warrior released it makes me start questioning collecting and if I should stop. It feels like a waste of money as Im getting the same old stuff over and over. However when you throw in a Warlord or Brutus or Berzerker...it adds a "newness" to my collection and it starts making me want more. Think of it like food. You can take cheese and/or bacon off a hamburger, but if you have to eat it ones of those ways every day...you'll get tired of it. Eventually you'll want someone to throw you a hot dog, or even a salad. DC Collectibles has been shooting themselves in the foot with this the past couple years. They make collectors want more and then cancel the lines. Eventually it gets to the point where they've pissed the collectors off so much that they're done with the company. Side note, any one want to buy some DC Collectibles figures??
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Post by Nivro™ on Oct 28, 2017 11:18:11 GMT -5
Its asinine to say "well Legends collectors arent buying figures" when I can go to just about any discount store and buy one of the latest AJ Styles, John Cena, Kevin Owens or Seth Rollins figures. That's true but WWE doesn't have to sign current talents to merch deals like they do with legends. Plus those guys are popular and therefore get more figures than everyone else. Used to be almost every series had John Cena. Now, it's Roman and others. Legends deals/figure deals are pennies on the dollars. As multiple people can atest to, Im very familiar with a previous deal from a now passed on legend. If you're name isnt Higan, Warrior or Savage (or equal) wwe isnt financially hurting signing you to deals.
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Post by Mr Ezekiel Jackson If Ya Nasty on Oct 28, 2017 11:26:02 GMT -5
That's true but WWE doesn't have to sign current talents to merch deals like they do with legends. Plus those guys are popular and therefore get more figures than everyone else. Used to be almost every series had John Cena. Now, it's Roman and others. Legends deals/figure deals are pennies on the dollars. As multiple people can atest to, Im very familiar with a previous deal from a now passed on legend. If you're name isnt Higan, Warrior or Savage (or equal) wwe isnt financially hurting signing you to deals. WWE rather give deals to people who are in their good graces and feel they can make money off of. Plus as in the case of Scott Steiner, some feel it ain't worth the money and politics that come with it. Koko had one for years until he joined the concussion lawsuit. Superstar Graham goes off and on his legend contract with him spazzing out once it isn't renewed.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2017 11:35:52 GMT -5
Most of the legend collectors here have slowed down on posting due to having familys, jobs etc but that doesnt mean they arent still buying figures either So, you're saying only legends collectors have jobs and families? Wut lol Did i say that? Thats not what i said, but what i mean to clarify for you is that most legend collectors are between 30 to 60 years old and have slowed down on posting here a lot this year. Most of the guys who used to post everyday now post once a week. But current fans range from 6 years old to whatever age and have been very vocal on these boards this year. So you tell me, did i say only legends fans have jobs and familys? And again heres a good question, why does everyone think they know more about what figures should be released than a multi billion dollar company? It seems as soon as someone posts about a legend they want on these boards the last few months , every current fan gangs up on them.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2017 12:00:32 GMT -5
It seems as soon as someone posts about a legend they want on these boards the last few months , every current fan gangs up on them. Yes, I find this very annoying and its one of the reasons why I don't post very often anymore. Also, I think this is a big reason why legends collectors no longer post on here very often, not just that they have lives or because there is very little new product coming out that appeals to us. Its very difficult to engage in a honest discussion about the hobby we enjoy and the era of wrestling that we grew up watching because of these nut jobs who have to stick their noses into every discussion and bash away at things that don't appeal to them personally. I get that they don't like legends/flashbacks, I don't like the current product but I don't go actively looking to engage in confrontations with fans of that product or constantly bash current wrestlers (or talent or whatever the hell they are referred to as now). I think the Mods need to clamp down on this behaviour otherwise traffic on the board will slow to a crawl you will wind up with only a very small group of active posters.
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Post by Mongo Bears on Oct 28, 2017 12:03:55 GMT -5
Every thread seems to turn into a flashbacks vs current collectors argument now.
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Post by sisterabigail on Oct 28, 2017 12:22:43 GMT -5
I don’t know how the majority of you don’t understand that’s it’s probably not worth the money to make molds of some of these niche guys.
They may have been popular in the golden era, but are just a flicker in the minds of casual fans and the majority of the market.
Guys like warlord and berserker worked because they look cool and have awesome attires.
The same group wanting Hercules, are the same group that get offended by basic attires.
He didn’t ask why you want them made or that it’s not happening, he basically wants to know why the hype is built up all of a sudden.
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Post by Mongo Bears on Oct 28, 2017 12:30:37 GMT -5
I don’t know how the majority of you don’t understand that’s it’s probably not worth the money to make molds of some of these niche guys. They may have been popular in the golden era, but are just a flicker in the minds of casual fans and the majority of the market. Guys like warlord and berserker worked because they look cool and have awesome attires. The same group wanting Hercules, are the same group that get offended by basic attires. He didn’t ask why you want them made or that it’s not happening, he basically wants to know why the hype is built up all of a sudden. I think that younger fans maybe don't see the grand picture over long time spans to realize that most of the current talent is more of a flicker in the history of wrestling and that guys like greg valentine and Hercules are actually more significant. I understand the economics and realize the older guys may not be as worthwhile for the company to make. Part of the recent hype about Hercules is that it has been mentioned here on the forums that the family of the deceased wrestler have a desire to ink a merchandising contract and many people here like to hear about new realistic legends possibilities.
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Post by Glorydaysofwrestling on Oct 28, 2017 12:36:16 GMT -5
Bill is just trolling, he’s gonna have Valentine & Hercules along with protos of HOF 6 with him😜😜
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Post by Nivro™ on Oct 28, 2017 12:48:55 GMT -5
I don’t know how the majority of you don’t understand that’s it’s probably not worth the money to make molds of some of these niche guys. They may have been popular in the golden era, but are just a flicker in the minds of casual fans and the majority of the market. Guys like warlord and berserker worked because they look cool and have awesome attires. The same group wanting Hercules, are the same group that get offended by basic attires. He didn’t ask why you want them made or that it’s not happening, he basically wants to know why the hype is built up all of a sudden. Most of the niche wrestlers you're speaking of are very cheap to make. Outside of a head you can reuse already made parts for someone like Valentine. There is also very little deco hit on him as well. Any cost for him would be in the robe. So essentially Legends are cheaper to make then a current guy.
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