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Post by T R W on Nov 7, 2017 9:51:27 GMT -5
Surely we have enough thoughts and prayers saved up by now to actually cash them in for something worthwhile?
Of course now isn't the time to talk about the incident or gun control because emotions are too high, but the moment a brown person kills people, the President screams DEATH PENALTY!!! EXTREME VETTING!!!
And people saying, oh geez you guys are going to turn this into a gun control thread, no crap! Of course it turns into a gun control thread because that's what the subject matter dictates.
TRUCK control! Trucks aren't designed with the sole intent to kill and actually have other uses.
It's not a gun problem, it's a mental health problem. It's a good thing our administration is doing everything they can to make quality mental health care easier and affordable for every.......oh......nevermind. It's just like their abortion stance. You can't get an abortion, but we won't help you financially take care of the kid we want to force you to have. You are mentally ill, but we aren't going to help pay for you to get treatment!
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Post by mattelwwecollector on Nov 7, 2017 11:06:00 GMT -5
I have an idea.... get stricter gun laws
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Post by T R W on Nov 7, 2017 11:23:46 GMT -5
I have an idea.... get stricter gun laws BUT....but....criminals don't obey the law...so we shouldn't bother making new laws! Funny how they only apply that logic to guns.
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Post by jayrod2009 on Nov 7, 2017 11:55:16 GMT -5
I have an idea.... get stricter gun laws Can you go into details on what the laws would be? I'm seriously interested to hear what the execution and logistics would be.
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Post by mattelwwecollector on Nov 7, 2017 12:31:54 GMT -5
I have an idea.... get stricter gun laws Can you go into details on what the laws would be? I'm seriously interested to hear what the execution and logistics would be. - A person who possesses or uses a firearm must have a firearm licence. - Licence holders must be at least 18 years of age, have a "genuine reason" for holding a firearm licence and must not be a "prohibited person” - Owners must have secure storage for their firearms - All firearms must be registered by a serial number to the owner, who also holds a firearms licence. - ban semi-automatic, fully automatic weapons and pump action shotguns - introduce a national gun buy back program - create a national fire arm registry listing firearms and their owners - introduce a 28 day waiting period for fire arm sales - restrictions on the quantity of ammunition that may be purchased in a given period and a requirement that dealers only sell ammunition for firearms for which the purchaser is licensed. - ensuring that “personal protection” would not be regarded as a “genuine reason” for owning, possessing, or using a firearm. - firearm licenses be renewed every 5 years - firearms licenses would be required to bear a photograph of the licensee, be endorsed with a category of firearm, include the holder’s address and contain a reminder of safe storage responsibilities; - licenses would only be issued subject to undertakings to comply with storage requirements and following an inspection by licensing authorities of the licensee’s storage facilities; - minimum standards for the refusal or cancellation of licenses, including criminal convictions for violent offenses in the past five years, unsafe storage of firearms, failure to notify of a change of address, and “reliable evidence of a mental or physical condition which would render the applicant unsuitable for owning, possessing or using a firearm” To name a few
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Post by Nivro™ on Nov 7, 2017 12:50:42 GMT -5
I can tell some people here who are diehard gun control, have never attempted to legally buy a gun. lol
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Post by mattelwwecollector on Nov 7, 2017 12:57:49 GMT -5
I can tell some people here who are diehard gun control, have never attempted to legally buy a gun. lol If only there were a country that already tightened their gun control laws and could actually show that it works 🤔🤔
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Post by tehforoh on Nov 7, 2017 13:20:31 GMT -5
I can tell some people here who are diehard gun control, have never attempted to legally buy a gun. lol If only there were a country that already tightened their gun control laws and could actually show that it works 🤔🤔 If only there were people who realise that just because a policy worked in one country doesn't mean it will work in another.
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Post by screech on Nov 7, 2017 13:32:00 GMT -5
I can tell some people here who are diehard gun control, have never attempted to legally buy a gun. lol If only there were a country that already tightened their gun control laws and could actually show that it works 🤔🤔 If only there were a country which could actually be compared to the situation we have here in the US. Also, are you seriously proposing banning firearms for “personal protection” and requiring mandatory govt. checkups at people's homes in regards to their firearm storage? LOL.
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Post by Lorenzo Alcazar on Nov 7, 2017 13:33:42 GMT -5
I can tell some people here who are diehard gun control, have never attempted to legally buy a gun. lol If only there were a country that already tightened their gun control laws and could actually show that it works 🤔🤔
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Post by screech on Nov 7, 2017 13:35:10 GMT -5
If only there were a country that already tightened their gun control laws and could actually show that it works 🤔🤔 How are the two comparable at all?
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Post by Lorenzo Alcazar on Nov 7, 2017 13:43:33 GMT -5
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Post by mattelwwecollector on Nov 7, 2017 13:46:27 GMT -5
If only there were a country that already tightened their gun control laws and could actually show that it works 🤔🤔 If only there were people who realise that just because a policy worked in one country doesn't mean it will work in another. 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 - cool because it “ might” not work... let’s just forget about it
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Post by Nivro™ on Nov 7, 2017 13:46:48 GMT -5
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Post by mattelwwecollector on Nov 7, 2017 13:49:55 GMT -5
If only there were a country that already tightened their gun control laws and could actually show that it works 🤔🤔 If only there were a country which could actually be compared to the situation we have here in the US. Also, are you seriously proposing banning firearms for “personal protection” and requiring mandatory govt. checkups at people's homes in regards to their firearm storage? LOL. Not suggesting... I’m pointing out a law that works in the country shown above The only LOL here should be pointed at your “personal protection”
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Post by mattelwwecollector on Nov 7, 2017 13:54:47 GMT -5
[br And? Zero Mass shootings... done
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Post by screech on Nov 7, 2017 14:04:24 GMT -5
I know that but I meant how can you compare the gun situation in the US with the gun situation in Australia and assume what they did will work here when the situations are very different? The U.S. has way more guns than they did, has a much higher population and shares 2 large borders with other countries. Can you explain how these situations are comparable enough to suggest that what they implemented would be successful here? It is nice to know you openly support gun confiscation though. If only there were a country which could actually be compared to the situation we have here in the US. Also, are you seriously proposing banning firearms for “personal protection” and requiring mandatory govt. checkups at people's homes in regards to their firearm storage? LOL. Not suggesting... I’m pointing out a law that works in the country shown above The only LOL here should be pointed at your “personal protection” Why do you suggest what works there will work here though? As for laughing at owning guns for personal protection in a society where lots of bad people have and use them much more frequently.... ok then. If you're going to blatantly ignore the countless stories of people using their firearms to repel bad people, then so be it. If you lived in my city where the drug problem is getting extremely bad and armed home intrusions are becoming much more frequent, I doubt you'd laugh at someone wanting to own a firearm for protection against the bad people who almost definitely have their own.
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Post by tehforoh on Nov 7, 2017 14:21:19 GMT -5
If only there were people who realise that just because a policy worked in one country doesn't mean it will work in another. 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 - cool because it “ might” not work... let’s just forget about it There's no "might" about it. Buy back program programs don't work in the u.s. 4 states have tried and combined they collected 17,865 guns. Texas alone has 588,696 registered guns.
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Post by tehforoh on Nov 7, 2017 14:29:25 GMT -5
I know that but I meant how can you compare the gun situation in the US with the gun situation in Australia and assume what they did will work here when the situations are very different? The U.S. has way more guns than they did, has a much higher population and shares 2 large borders with other countrvies. Can you explain how these situations are comparable enough to suggest that what they implemented would be successful here? It is nice to know you openly support gun confiscation though. Not suggesting... I’m pointing out a law that works in the country shown above The only LOL here should be pointed at your “personal protection” Why do you suggest what works there will work here though? As for laughing at owning guns for personal protection in a society where lots of bad people have and use them much more frequently.... ok then. If you're going to blatantly ignore the countless stories of people using their firearms to repel bad people, then so be it. If you lived in my city where the drug problem is getting extremely bad and armed home intrusions are becoming much more frequent, I doubt you'd laugh at someone wanting to own a firearm for protection against the bad people who almost definitely have their own. Or even people who live in rural areas where police might be 20/30/40/50 minutes away, if they come at all. To say someone isn't supposed to have some way to protect themself in that situation is ridiculous.
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Post by Lorenzo Alcazar on Nov 7, 2017 14:57:09 GMT -5
That's fine. The total number of guns is irrelevant. 10 people with pistols aren't as dangerous as one person with an AR-15. Take everyone in the USA with an AR-15 and tell them they have to trade it in for a pistol. Nobody is saying there can't be guns, nobody is trying to take anyone's guns away....I just think it's irresponsible to have citizens in possession of military style assault rifles. Australia still has a semi automatic weapons ban. So if they are stocking up on smaller arms, it's clearly not provided anyone with the capability to go on a massacre. So the issue there is clearly in check.
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