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Post by bigshab421 on Nov 21, 2017 11:25:31 GMT -5
I hope they just let Roman win the Raw Tag Titles with anyone so that when he beats Lesnar at Mania, he will have all the titles.
Why not at this point? This show is such a joke, may as well go all in on it.
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Post by King Richius on Nov 21, 2017 11:35:50 GMT -5
Plenty of wrestlers have a routine of moves and reversals though, not just Roman. Triple H, Shawn Michaels, Undertaker etc. How is John Cena's two running shoulder blocks, duck the clothesline, slam, Five Knuckle Shuffle, AA any different to Roman's routine? its not... my point is that everyone who constantly defends Reigns usually uses the whole "but he's an amazing wrestler! top 5 in the company right now!" routine, im simply calling out the fact that just having 20 minute matches where you do the same stuff and kick out of 47 power moves doesn't mean you're an amazing wrestler. i mean, the WWE tells us otherwise. they've been telling us for years that roman is the best wrestler in the history of the industry, so i guess maybe IM in the wrong here. Just to throw my two cents into the discussion: Reigns is not a bad wrestler. Reigns is not a good wrestler either. He is the definition of average. Most of his moves are basic moves preceded by a jump: the superman punch, the drive by kick, his leaping clothesline, and of course the spear is nothing but a jump. His Samoan drop is sloppy. His corner clothesline barrage is almost as silly as Naomi's dancing kicks. And as noted, just because every match is twenty minutes long and full of dramatic kickouts doesn't make them great. It actually makes his opponents look like s**t because they can't pin Reigns despite throwing everything including the kitchen sink at him only to have Reigns keep kicking out and then pin them with one bleeping spear. The Cena comparison is actually fairly accurate as Cena has taken a lot of crap from people for years over his five moves of doom, so much so that you can see it on his face when he executes them now - he gets that smarmy look that says "I know you hate the five moves of doom but I'm going to do them anyway." At least Cena tries to switch it up with new moves like the springboard cutter and the code red. Give him credit, Cena has a better grasp of ring psychology and how to take the audience for a ride. Reigns has been in some entertaining matches but it is almost always a product of him being put in the ring with workers who can make a broom look like a future HoFer. Too bad Brock isn't one of those guys and so the seemingly inevitable WM main event match is going to be a dud. Maybe not on the level of Brock/Goldberg in ?'04? but the potential is there for a snooze fest that the fans completely turn on both wrestlers. Bottom line, I don't object to Reign as a wrestler but at the same time I won't be gushing over his in ring performances. I do object to his crappy promos, his superman booking, and the whole shoved down our throats until we accept him attitude the WWE has taken with him. Beating Brock isn't going to get him over anymore than reuniting the Shield, beating Cena, beating Undertaker, or the countless endorsements from the likes of Daniel Bryan and the Rock.
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Post by cordless2016 on Nov 21, 2017 12:56:11 GMT -5
Plenty of wrestlers have a routine of moves and reversals though, not just Roman. Triple H, Shawn Michaels, Undertaker etc. How is John Cena's two running shoulder blocks, duck the clothesline, slam, Five Knuckle Shuffle, AA any different to Roman's routine? its not... my point is that everyone who constantly defends Reigns usually uses the whole "but he's an amazing wrestler! top 5 in the company right now!" routine, im simply calling out the fact that just having 20 minute matches where you do the same stuff and kick out of 47 power moves doesn't mean you're an amazing wrestler. i mean, the WWE tells us otherwise. they've been telling us for years that roman is the best wrestler in the history of the industry, so i guess maybe IM in the wrong here. This 100%. It’s what I’ve been saying about Cena matches for years. You can have anyone go out for 15+ minutes, but how they use that time will dictate how good they are. Roman spams clothelines and superman punches in every one of his matches. He also kicks out of big moves and finishers galore. Doesn’t mean it’s a great match.
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Post by Chip on Nov 21, 2017 18:48:50 GMT -5
its not... my point is that everyone who constantly defends Reigns usually uses the whole "but he's an amazing wrestler! top 5 in the company right now!" routine, im simply calling out the fact that just having 20 minute matches where you do the same stuff and kick out of 47 power moves doesn't mean you're an amazing wrestler. i mean, the WWE tells us otherwise. they've been telling us for years that roman is the best wrestler in the history of the industry, so i guess maybe IM in the wrong here. Just to throw my two cents into the discussion: Reigns is not a bad wrestler. Reigns is not a good wrestler either. He is the definition of average. Most of his moves are basic moves preceded by a jump: the superman punch, the drive by kick, his leaping clothesline, and of course the spear is nothing but a jump. His Samoan drop is sloppy. His corner clothesline barrage is almost as silly as Naomi's dancing kicks. And as noted, just because every match is twenty minutes long and full of dramatic kickouts doesn't make them great. It actually makes his opponents look like s**t because they can't pin Reigns despite throwing everything including the kitchen sink at him only to have Reigns keep kicking out and then pin them with one bleeping spear. The Cena comparison is actually fairly accurate as Cena has taken a lot of crap from people for years over his five moves of doom, so much so that you can see it on his face when he executes them now - he gets that smarmy look that says "I know you hate the five moves of doom but I'm going to do them anyway." At least Cena tries to switch it up with new moves like the springboard cutter and the code red. Give him credit, Cena has a better grasp of ring psychology and how to take the audience for a ride. Reigns has been in some entertaining matches but it is almost always a product of him being put in the ring with workers who can make a broom look like a future HoFer. Too bad Brock isn't one of those guys and so the seemingly inevitable WM main event match is going to be a dud. Maybe not on the level of Brock/Goldberg in ?'04? but the potential is there for a snooze fest that the fans completely turn on both wrestlers. Bottom line, I don't object to Reign as a wrestler but at the same time I won't be gushing over his in ring performances. I do object to his crappy promos, his superman booking, and the whole shoved down our throats until we accept him attitude the WWE has taken with him. Beating Brock isn't going to get him over anymore than reuniting the Shield, beating Cena, beating Undertaker, or the countless endorsements from the likes of Daniel Bryan and the Rock. this needs to be quoted and pasted every single time there's a thread argument about Reigns being a "top 5 worker"
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Post by Bandalero on Nov 22, 2017 1:24:43 GMT -5
I know I'm late to this party but Alexa Bliss and Mandy Rose on my TV at the same time...thank you!
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Post by Kanenite on Nov 22, 2017 1:37:23 GMT -5
I always felt like Roman's In-Ring style resembled what some hyper kid would do in his mom's basement while wrestling with friends or a young kid playing a WWE game.
No psychology; just a whole lot of running and jumping around. The Fatal 4 Ways at Summerslam 2017 and Battleground 2014 are probably the best examples where he just looks terrible and really exaggerates this problem.
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Post by Escape The Rules on Nov 22, 2017 14:19:58 GMT -5
Really enjoyed Raw overall. Thought the opening segment was fantastic. Loved seeing Kurt, HHH and Stephanie in the ring together again. Paige's return was very nicely done, almost making us think it wouldn't happen. Like that they've called up a few NXT women as well to shake things up a bit. Even if I barely know the ones on SmackDown. Would've much preferred Peyton and Billie. If Paige's last faction were called PCB, does that make this trio the new PMS? Glad that Kane is still around, I thought after last week he'd been written off of television. As far as Roman Reigns, they really are just going to give him everything to make him look strong before he inevitably beats Brock at WM aren't they? That's the only reason they've even put The Shield back together: to get him cheered! I really don't understand why they're so desperate to make this guy the biggest star in the company when we refuse to ing accept him.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2017 14:30:35 GMT -5
2014 Superstar Of The Year. Record for most eliminations in a RR. 1x Tag Team Champ. 3x WWE world champ. 2015 RR winner. 1x United States Champ. 3x Wrestle Mania Main eventer x1 IC champ 9th Grand Slam Champion! Beats Taker at WM33
None of that was handed to him he's worked hard to earn it all
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Post by Bandalero on Nov 22, 2017 19:25:13 GMT -5
Y’know Jason Jordan looks the part to be the next Rock, but he’s really just a regular Maven.
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Post by TheSystem 1.5 on Nov 23, 2017 18:36:29 GMT -5
2014 Superstar Of The Year. Record for most eliminations in a RR. 1x Tag Team Champ. 3x WWE world champ. 2015 RR winner. 1x United States Champ. 3x Wrestle Mania Main eventer x1 IC champ 9th Grand Slam Champion! Beats Taker at WM33 None of that was handed to him he's worked hard to earn it all If I ran a promotion, I could have a student fresh out of training do all of that if I wanted too...
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