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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2017 9:10:58 GMT -5
I can't listen to him anymore. Can't stand him. Nothing but bitching and moaning. It should be noted that the recap was written by a contributor to the site (Steve Kahn, @shk66), not Meltzer himself. That’s correct. I apologize. In his audio review, however, Meltzer did lament that AJ, while he did sell, didn’t make Jinder “look good.”
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Post by bigshab421 on Dec 18, 2017 9:14:24 GMT -5
Decent show.
-The triple threat was good, but the wrong person won. Now we will have to endure more Roode/Ziggler matches. Yawn.
-The Tag Titles match was MOTN. I wasn't sold 100% on Rusev/English but the past few weeks have tilted me towards them, and last night put me over the edge. Was really hoping they'd win. Also, Gable and Benjamin are awesome. It's a shame SmackDown has such an awesome tag division but only 2 hours of TV time.
-I've been over the Charlotte/Natalya feud for a few years now. Imo, they just don't click together and Natalya is an awful heel and face. Put Becky in the spotlight for a bit, at least the fans care about her and a match with Charlotte would be good.
-Fashion Police/Bludgeon Bros. was good for what it was. I like BB, but they need to stop carrying those dumbass hammers to the ring. Unless you're actually going to bludgeon someone to death with them, leave them in the back.
*KO & Sami/RKO & Nakamura was a complete MESS.........but I enjoyed it for the sheer fact of what was going to happen. I was expecting an RKO heel turn (assume that will happen soon), but I like the way that DB/Shane developed. When Daniel pushed Shane and went head to head, and the crowd erupted, I almost lost my mind. I hope that they somehow clear him to wrestle because if a shove is any indication on how over he still is and how hungry the crowd is for him, a return would be the biggest moment in recent WWE history.
*AJ/Jinder was pretty good. Jinder to me has never really been awful in the ring, it was just lack of character. But last night, he brought is A game and AJ was AJ. Really good match and I bought in when Jinder hit the ever protected Khalas. With a lengthy run and decent showings, I think Jinder is primed to be a solid upper-mid level hand for the next few years. I think Cena will be next on his horizon, which will include a match at Mania.
All in all a good show. If anything this show really developed a couple stories and characters and had some solid ring work.
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Post by havoc7179 on Dec 18, 2017 11:17:34 GMT -5
Decent show. -The triple threat was good, but the wrong person won. Now we will have to endure more Roode/Ziggler matches. Yawn. -The Tag Titles match was MOTN. I wasn't sold 100% on Rusev/English but the past few weeks have tilted me towards them, and last night put me over the edge. Was really hoping they'd win. Also, Gable and Benjamin are awesome. It's a shame SmackDown has such an awesome tag division but only 2 hours of TV time. -I've been over the Charlotte/Natalya feud for a few years now. Imo, they just don't click together and Natalya is an awful heel and face. Put Becky in the spotlight for a bit, at least the fans care about her and a match with Charlotte would be good. -Fashion Police/Bludgeon Bros. was good for what it was. I like BB, but they need to stop carrying those dumbass hammers to the ring. Unless you're actually going to bludgeon someone to death with them, leave them in the back. *KO & Sami/RKO & Nakamura was a complete MESS.........but I enjoyed it for the sheer fact of what was going to happen. I was expecting an RKO heel turn (assume that will happen soon), but I like the way that DB/Shane developed. When Daniel pushed Shane and went head to head, and the crowd erupted, I almost lost my mind. I hope that they somehow clear him to wrestle because if a shove is any indication on how over he still is and how hungry the crowd is for him, a return would be the biggest moment in recent WWE history. *AJ/Jinder was pretty good. Jinder to me has never really been awful in the ring, it was just lack of character. But last night, he brought is A game and AJ was AJ. Really good match and I bought in when Jinder hit the ever protected Khalas. With a lengthy run and decent showings, I think Jinder is primed to be a solid upper-mid level hand for the next few years. I think Cena will be next on his horizon, which will include a match at Mania. All in all a good show. If anything this show really developed a couple stories and characters and had some solid ring work. I agreeabout Jinder. I think if Jinder came in this way from his debut (not his return) and treated as such, we'd have no issue with him being a main eventer. It's just hard to instantaneously shed the jobber stench off him. It's not like he reinvented himself in Japan or TNA or the Indys. He figuratively dropped from the face of the earth, came back, jobbed around, and then was given a World Title Match and reign. It would be the equivalent of the Brooklyn Brawler winning except Jinder wasn't as revered. He showed potential, and can play a serious heel instead of a comedic foil.Build him up, and let's revisit this in a year.
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Post by bigshab421 on Dec 18, 2017 11:25:05 GMT -5
Decent show. -The triple threat was good, but the wrong person won. Now we will have to endure more Roode/Ziggler matches. Yawn. -The Tag Titles match was MOTN. I wasn't sold 100% on Rusev/English but the past few weeks have tilted me towards them, and last night put me over the edge. Was really hoping they'd win. Also, Gable and Benjamin are awesome. It's a shame SmackDown has such an awesome tag division but only 2 hours of TV time. -I've been over the Charlotte/Natalya feud for a few years now. Imo, they just don't click together and Natalya is an awful heel and face. Put Becky in the spotlight for a bit, at least the fans care about her and a match with Charlotte would be good. -Fashion Police/Bludgeon Bros. was good for what it was. I like BB, but they need to stop carrying those dumbass hammers to the ring. Unless you're actually going to bludgeon someone to death with them, leave them in the back. *KO & Sami/RKO & Nakamura was a complete MESS.........but I enjoyed it for the sheer fact of what was going to happen. I was expecting an RKO heel turn (assume that will happen soon), but I like the way that DB/Shane developed. When Daniel pushed Shane and went head to head, and the crowd erupted, I almost lost my mind. I hope that they somehow clear him to wrestle because if a shove is any indication on how over he still is and how hungry the crowd is for him, a return would be the biggest moment in recent WWE history. *AJ/Jinder was pretty good. Jinder to me has never really been awful in the ring, it was just lack of character. But last night, he brought is A game and AJ was AJ. Really good match and I bought in when Jinder hit the ever protected Khalas. With a lengthy run and decent showings, I think Jinder is primed to be a solid upper-mid level hand for the next few years. I think Cena will be next on his horizon, which will include a match at Mania. All in all a good show. If anything this show really developed a couple stories and characters and had some solid ring work. I agreeabout Jinder. I think if Jinder came in this way from his debut (not his return) and treated as such, we'd have no issue with him being a main eventer. It's just hard to instantaneously shed the jobber stench off him. It's not like he reinvented himself in Japan or TNA or the Indys. He figuratively dropped from the face of the earth, came back, jobbed around, and then was given a World Title Match and reign. It would be the equivalent of the Brooklyn Brawler winning except Jinder wasn't as revered. He showed potential, and can play a serious heel instead of a comedic foil.Build him up, and let's revisit this in a year. This may sound crazy, but I can easily see Jinder being a decent babyface down the line as well. His comedic timing (shown in 3MB) is good and he has the look and power.
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Dec 18, 2017 12:40:51 GMT -5
WWE Clash of Champions December 17th, 2017 | TD Garden in Boston, Massachusetts | Attendance: 14,318
I went to see Star Wars: The Last Jedi last night instead of watching this live. I got home in time to see the last two matches, so I went back and watched the show.
Kickoff Match: Mojo Rawley vs. Zack Ryder I’m surprised at how intrigued I am by heel Mojo. He used Twitter to his advantage, similar to the Corbin/Miz build heading into Survivor Series. The match got off to an intense start, which was very much appreciated. It slowed a bit for Mojo’s heat segment through the break, though that was understandable. The crowd was into it and the guys worked it like they really hated one another. Ryder not taunting before hitting the facewash was a nice touch. Mojo chop blocked Ryder and won with a running forearm at 7:08. That was a strong Kickoff match. It had some emotion behind it and Mojo looked better than ever. I’m looking forward to more from them. [**¾]
WWE United States Championship: Baron Corbin [c] vs. Bobby Roode vs. Dolph Ziggler I like Baron Corbin. That being said, it’s hard to find a match I care less about. Roode is kind of just there and Dolph has been uninteresting in every program not involving Miz for the past three years. Corey Graves had the nerve to say Dolph might be the best in-ring competitor ever. I like you Corey, but wow. This followed a lot of the usual Triple Threat match tropes. One guy chills outside while two went at it inside. Roode and Dolph had better exchanges here than any of their singles matches. Things picked up down the stretch, with the crowd getting behind Roode and more into the match. There was a great moment where Corbin nearly stole the pin like so many heels do, only to get thrown out of the ring and return to break up another pin. Dolph stopped the End of Days with a Zig Zag in the end to capture his second US Title at 12:13. It was way better than it had any right to be considering the awfully bland build. It got better as it went on and finished with a flurry. Putting the title on Dolph is a bad move. He’s been beyond stale for so long, his performances haven’t wowed in a long time and his title reigns never amount to anything. [***¼]
WWE Smackdown Tag Team Championship: The Usos [c] vs. Aiden English and Rusev vs. Chad Gable and Shelton Benjamin vs. The New Day No matter how many times they kill Rusev’s momentum, he’s always great and remains over. The fans love the Rusev Day stuff. Rusev never being WWE Champion is my biggest issue with WWE in the past few years. This had an interesting setup, with four guys legal at a time. I appreciated the attempt to do something different. Lots of action and antics to start, before we literally got dual rest holds. They also built to stereo hot tags, which was fun as Big E and Jimmy both did their thing. From there, it broke down into the wildness we all love in these kinds of matches. The fans ERUPTED when Rusev put the Accolade on Gable, but Big E broke things up. Gable’s Chaos Theory on English was sick, while the one to Big E was incredible. The Usos cut off another attempt and used a combo of superkicks and a splash to retain in 15:14. There was no match I was more excited for than this one and it delivered. Rusev Day and Gable were incredible, the Usos and New Day continued to be top notch and the Smackdown tag division has been great this year. This was a blast. [***½]
WWE Smackdown Women’s Championship Lumberjack Match: Charlotte [c] vs. Natalya Why do they keep going back to this match? They had a very good match at TakeOver in 2014 and one at Roadblock last March. Every other time they meet, it ranges from complete garbage to okay at best. And yet, this was at least their fourth PPV match together. Guess what? This was their worst. Natalya in control is boring an awkward. Charlotte as a babyface is more miscast than Sasha Banks. It doesn’t click. The lumberjacks didn’t add much, as it was the same story we get in all lumberjack matches. Charlotte hit a nice dive onto a pile of bodies for the highlight. Charlotte countered the Sharpshooter into the Figure Eight to win in 10:36. This sucked. Ruby Riott, Carmella, Becky Lynch (even though she’s out) and even going back to Naomi are all far better ideas than Charlotte/Natalya matches. [¾*]
Someone thought Natalya, a bad promo, should cut one. She said Charlotte cut corners and used her family name to get where she is and that she’s put on great matches for ten years (ha) but people turned their backs on her. She was now turning her back on us.
The Bludgeon Brothers vs. Breezango Complete domination. I enjoy the comedy aspects of Breezango and they had a great match with the Usos back in May. However, now was time to build Harper and Rowan, so they won in 2:11 with a double crucifix bomb. It was what it needed to be. [NR]
Kevin Owens and Sami Zayn vs. Randy Orton and Shinsuke Nakamura They hyped Orton and Nakamura as a dream team, like this same exact match didn’t happen on Smackdown a few weeks ago. The difference was that Shane McMahon and Daniel Bryan were the referees here. They turned out to be the entire focus of the match. Focusing on the non-wrestlers/part-timers was part of what murdered the Survivor Series main event. The fans chose to side with KO and Sami, probably because they’re far more interesting. The storytelling was rather good, there’s just a lot of extra with the referee. It was like Shane at SummerSlam this year. What bumped this up in score for me was the finish. Shane blatantly screwed the heels, choosing not to count three for Sami. That caused an argument between Shane and Bryan, leading to Bryan fast counting for Sami’s next pin and giving them the win at 21:39. As I said, this told a fine story and had a great finish, but was bogged down by too much ref crap. [**½]
WWE Championship: AJ Styles [c] vs. Jinder Mahal w/ The Singh Brothers I never got behind the Jinder Mahal push. When it started, I felt he wasn’t ready and I hold that position today. His feuds with Randy Orton and Shinsuke Nakamura were pure crap (though I attribute part of it to Shinsuke and Randy putting in lackluster efforts). However, it was the AJ Styles feud that helped turn some stuff around. Their match in the UK where AJ captured the title was very good and they bested it here. Styles understood the best way to work as Jinder’s opponent. He allowed Jinder to use his power and control a good portion of the match. AJ bumped and sold the ribs very well, making Jinder’s heat segment better than most others would have. When the Singh brothers got involved, it made sense and wasn’t overdone. It also didn’t lead right to the finish, which happened too often in prior Jinder matches. Jinder teased using the Styles Clash, but AJ countered into the Calf Crusher to retain after 22:57. The best match of Jinder’s career and it proved that he could deliver rather well in the right setting. [****]
Overall: 5.5/10. Not a worst PPV of the year contender like I’ve seen some call it. However, it also isn’t one that stands out or will be remembered in the long run. The Kickoff and US Title matches both exceeded my expectations. Jinder had the best match of his career in a great main event, while the Tag Team Title match was as fun as expected. I didn’t care much for the Shane/Bryan tag stuff and thought the Women’s Title match was one of the worst in recent memory.
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Post by cmiller79 on Dec 18, 2017 13:18:40 GMT -5
The show was better then I expected
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Post by PVA on Dec 18, 2017 13:47:18 GMT -5
I had it on while doing things waiting for something good or a match I care about and the Ppv ended before I caught anything good.
Maybe I missed all the awesomeness but I’m thinking it was a meh show
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Post by bigshab421 on Dec 18, 2017 13:56:33 GMT -5
No more PPV's until the Rumble? My god the amount of times we are going to see the Shield v. Sheamus/Cesaro and Braun/Kane is going to be utterly horrible.
If creative would start weaving the WWE Title scene into the SDL Tag scene somehow, I feel like we could be in for some awesome television on SD.
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Post by Escape The Rules on Dec 18, 2017 14:17:36 GMT -5
Really enjoyed the PPV. The tag title match was really hot in the last few minutes, the double referee match was very fun to watch and has me looking forward to SD. And the main event was really good. Relieved that AJ won, and by tap out no less which should no doubt signify the end of the feud.
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Post by Tim of thee on Dec 18, 2017 23:34:52 GMT -5
Ziggler should follow in Naito's footsteps and be that character for the WWE
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Post by Joey Cush on Dec 19, 2017 3:41:36 GMT -5
I cannot believe neither KO or Sami didnt hit a move on the far side of the ring and then drag whomever over to Bryans side for the pin. i was waiting the entire time for it.
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Post by Triple S on Dec 19, 2017 6:54:13 GMT -5
Ziggler should follow in Naito's footsteps and be that character for the WWE You want Dolph to carry around a stuffed cat?
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Post by Arik Cannon on Dec 19, 2017 19:07:19 GMT -5
My only gripe with the show was listening to Corey Graves and Bryon Saxton argue with each other all night.
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Dec 19, 2017 20:31:57 GMT -5
Ziggler should follow in Naito's footsteps and be that character for the WWE You want Dolph to carry around a stuffed cat? Naito doesn't carry a stuffed cat. That's Hiromu Takahashi.
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Post by Tim of thee on Dec 20, 2017 0:14:46 GMT -5
You want Dolph to carry around a stuffed cat? Naito doesn't carry a stuffed cat. That's Hiromu Takahashi. he needs to throw the belt around disrespecting it, not giving s
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Post by Triple S on Dec 20, 2017 0:27:59 GMT -5
You want Dolph to carry around a stuffed cat? Naito doesn't carry a stuffed cat. That's Hiromu Takahashi. Ah, that’s right. Not sure why I mix those 2 up. Naito is the one that does the eye thing, right?
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Post by TheSystem 1.5 on Dec 20, 2017 9:31:17 GMT -5
You want Dolph to carry around a stuffed cat? Naito doesn't carry a stuffed cat. That's Hiromu Takahashi. Not to mention Daryll has a name
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Post by robbutler01 on Dec 21, 2017 4:03:07 GMT -5
Another ppv where the one thing that was "important" (Ziggler winning the US belt) is rendered meaningless by the next tv show right after it happened.
One thing wwe is always consistent with is stuff like this (unfortunately)
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