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Post by Back to the Codyverse on Dec 18, 2017 22:18:18 GMT -5
He had the charisma, entrance and all that but his matches completely sucked ass. Plus he was a complete dick backstage. To which matches are you referring? His matches when he first joined the WWF were far from great, but he improved fairly quickly. By the time he was champion, he was wrestling some good matches. I'm referring to every match he wrestled minus maybe 4.
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Post by theMOESIAH on Dec 18, 2017 23:28:46 GMT -5
That was very thought it and well written but I think the reason his run fooled was much simpler than that: his booking as champion was garbage.
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Post by casey on Dec 19, 2017 10:39:39 GMT -5
To which matches are you referring? His matches when he first joined the WWF were far from great, but he improved fairly quickly. By the time he was champion, he was wrestling some good matches. I'm referring to every match he wrestled minus maybe 4. Ah, yes, so you can't be specific? Let's narrow it down to televised matches, then.
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Post by warriorlynx on Dec 21, 2017 8:47:54 GMT -5
You should see his tryout match (dark match), so many armbars!!
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Post by cordless2016 on Jan 2, 2018 18:59:50 GMT -5
The biggest issue besides trying to push him as an American Hero like Hogan is that he didn’t have any credible opponents. Just like when they give the Universal Title to Roman in a few months, Warrior has no one to feud with after beating Hogan. Earthquake was the only credible heel to challenge him at the time but he ended up feuding with Hogan instead. Rude, while great, was always an upper midcarder in the WWF and didn’t give Warrior the “huge matchup” that Hogan’s feuds has for years.
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Post by JokerFC on Jan 6, 2018 6:06:34 GMT -5
The Earthquake feud & Letter writing campaign with Tugboat etc etc kinda proved Hogan was still THE guy. Hogan undoubtedly didn't want to take a backseat but I don't think the fans or Vinne wanted him to either.
Just my two cents......
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Post by Emerald Enthusiast on Jan 15, 2018 6:21:35 GMT -5
Warrior's title reign wasn't a flop at all. If the measure of success is mainstream exposure, Warrior hit heights that were previously unmatched by anyone but the Hulkster. He seemed to be everywhere in 1990, and not just on wrestling or sports shows. Vince was laying the groundwork for his post-Hogan company with a fresh cash cow. Warrior's nonsensical promos and lack of in-ring polish were of no consequence to kids and teens who just saw a flesh-and-blood comic book character. I was never a fan of his, but I can't deny the crossover splash that he made that year.
The reason why Warrior's title reign didn't match the excitement of his win was due to poor planning prior to the Ultimate Challenge. There was no one fresh with whom he could feud. All of the top heels at the time were veterans who were previously fed to Warrior or Hogan. No one seemed like a legitimate threat to either of those guys until Undertaker debuted near the end of the year. To top all of this off, the match that people really wanted to see, Hogan vs Warrior 2, was ruled "too dangerous" by Jack Tunney. Fans were given an ill-advised title-loss at the hands of a 40-year-old Sgt. Slaughter, who worked an old school, plodding style that brought down Warrior's energetic style. With all of the effort that went into selling Warrior as the next phenomenon, I'm still baffled at how Vince found so little to do with him after WM6.
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Post by blissfan4life on Jan 15, 2018 7:59:54 GMT -5
Well having no credible heels for opponents didn't help for one.
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Post by T R W on Jan 18, 2018 10:27:48 GMT -5
I have actually never understood this argument about Warrior's promos and feel like it stems mostly from the Self Destruction DVD. What's not to understand? I don't mean that as being a smart ass. I was watching throughout the Warriors reign as champion and when he cut his interviews he would just ramble on and on about his gods and everything else. What blue collar person anywhere can relate to that? What kid is going to understand that? After a while everyone I knew would just make fun of it and we'd have competitions to see who can "out Warrior" the other person. Now I didn't want Warrior to copy Hogan with the whole "USA! USA!" thing, but know your audience, especially in that time. Show me a Warrior interview, when he was in the WWE, that he didn't come off sounding like a whackaloon! In high school we constantly made fun of Warrior's nonsensical rambling promos.
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Post by PVA on Jan 20, 2018 23:03:42 GMT -5
He had the charisma, entrance and all that but his matches completely sucked ass. Plus he was a complete dick backstage. Being a dick backstage is hearsay.Not saying he was an angel. I imagine he was tough to work with at times and for Some guys more then others. but the whole locker room in his days were guys loaded up on Roids, Coke pain killers & booze. I’m sure a lot of guys were difficult at times. A Lot of guys that hated warrior hated him for the position he was Put in & were envious. Warrior wasn’t a great in ring guy by any means but he had many good matches as well as a couple great ones.
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Post by Back to the Codyverse on Jan 20, 2018 23:18:31 GMT -5
He had the charisma, entrance and all that but his matches completely sucked ass. Plus he was a complete dick backstage. Being a dick backstage is hearsay.Not saying he was an angel. I imagine he was tough to work with at times and for Some guys more then others. but the whole locker room in his days were guys loaded up on Roids, Coke pain killers & booze. I’m sure a lot of guys were difficult at times. A Lot of guys that hated warrior hated him for the position he was Put in & were envious. Warrior wasn’t a great in ring guy by any means but he had many good matches as well as a couple great ones. I mean, I’m entitled to my own opinion of his matches. I thought they all pretty much sucked minus a handful. And there’s a lot of guys who have expressed a genuine disdain for the kind of guy he was. Some of those guys aren’t notorious for being angels themselves, however, quite a few respected names in the business didn’t have kind words for him. I’m not a fan of his and have never cared to try to defend anything about him. I see why some would, but it’s not like it really matters what any of us think about him at the end of the day.
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Post by PVA on Jan 20, 2018 23:27:38 GMT -5
Back to the CodyverseNo doubt you are free to have your own opinion & like or dislike whatever you want. You said you never cared for warrior or defending him... so why are you trolling in a thread about him?? Nothing you said was constructive criticism.
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Post by Back to the Codyverse on Jan 20, 2018 23:34:07 GMT -5
Back to the CodyverseNo doubt you are free to have your own opinion & like or dislike whatever you want. You said you never cared for warrior or defending him... so why are you trolling in a thread about him?? Nothing you said was constructive criticism. How am I trolling? Can I not post in a thread about someone I don’t like? Is that in TOS? Am I breaking a rule? Do other people not post in threads about wrestlers or a topic they don’t care for? Do you go around quoting them accusing them of trolling? Is there a requirement to post constructive criticism in this thread or on this board? Do you try to single out people who make joke posts for trolling or spamming? Do you single out members who post gifs or memes trolling a thread or an OP? Please enlighten me.
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Post by PJ on Jan 21, 2018 10:54:07 GMT -5
Ok this thread had pretty much run it's course. So now questioning someone's post from a month ago seems to be scraping the bottom of the barrel.
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