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Post by The Brain on Dec 17, 2018 14:30:42 GMT -5
I agree. I hated seeing the Headshrinkers and especially Bigelow treated like jokes.
In other news humanoids as you know I've been kicking around ideas for a sister thread to this one and one idea that I have is a retrospective on good/bad gimmicks through the years. I'll pick a character and give a little history on it and you can humanoids can chime in with your thoughts/memories of that particular character.
Nothing is set in stone right now but as it stands this is the leading candidate. As always feel free to hit me up with feedback.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2018 14:46:33 GMT -5
Can we make suggestions? If so I say do 911 from ecw.
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Post by The Brain on Dec 18, 2018 17:15:09 GMT -5
Can we make suggestions? If so I say do 911 from ecw. Absolutely.
Like I said nothing is set in stone but I'm leaning towards the gimmicks retrospective as there's so many to choose from through the years. I think we can get some good discussion outta em.
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Post by nibs92 on Dec 18, 2018 18:05:56 GMT -5
Sounds great man. Be good to get the opinions on some of the more under appreciated gimmicks. Even looking st the what if threads, they are mainly based around the top guys so will be a refreshing change
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Post by Hulkster2001 on Dec 19, 2018 8:14:40 GMT -5
In other news humanoids as you know I've been kicking around ideas for a sister thread to this one and one idea that I have is a retrospective on good/bad gimmicks through the years. I'll pick a character and give a little history on it and you can humanoids can chime in with your thoughts/memories of that particular character. Nothing is set in stone right now but as it stands this is the leading candidate. As always feel free to hit me up with feedback. Do you think you can find out who was Mr. America?
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Post by MKSavage on Dec 19, 2018 9:09:35 GMT -5
In other news humanoids as you know I've been kicking around ideas for a sister thread to this one and one idea that I have is a retrospective on good/bad gimmicks through the years. I'll pick a character and give a little history on it and you can humanoids can chime in with your thoughts/memories of that particular character. Nothing is set in stone right now but as it stands this is the leading candidate. As always feel free to hit me up with feedback. Do you think you can find out who was Mr. America? Or Hulk Machine.
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Post by The Brain on Dec 19, 2018 10:17:42 GMT -5
Do you think you can find out who was Mr. America? Or Hulk Machine. Those two are definitely related to the dude who played Rip in No Holds Barred. Damn what's his name?
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Post by Gorilla on Dec 19, 2018 10:40:26 GMT -5
Those two are definitely related to the dude who played Rip in No Holds Barred. Damn what's his name? Terry Bolea the bassist?
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Post by MKSavage on Dec 19, 2018 12:07:42 GMT -5
Those two are definitely related to the dude who played Rip in No Holds Barred. Damn what's his name? Was he in Rocky III as well???
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Post by nibs92 on Dec 19, 2018 13:23:44 GMT -5
Those two are definitely related to the dude who played Rip in No Holds Barred. Damn what's his name? Was he in Rocky III as well??? I think you’re confusing him with the guy in Mr Nanny.
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Post by MKSavage on Dec 19, 2018 13:37:47 GMT -5
Was he in Rocky III as well??? I think you’re confusing him with the guy in Mr Nanny. Dang it! I do that sometimes...
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Post by The Brain on Dec 19, 2018 15:21:36 GMT -5
Those two are definitely related to the dude who played Rip in No Holds Barred. Damn what's his name? Terry Bolea the bassist? No more along the lines of Terry Boulder
Anyway back to serious business if you weeeeeeeeeelllllllllll. SSeries 93 will be up tomorrow Humanoids!
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Post by The Brain on Dec 20, 2018 14:05:57 GMT -5
Survivor Series 1993
Your Hosts- Vince McMahon and Bobby Heenan
Team Razor- Razor Ramon, Randy Savage,123 Kid and Marty Jannetty vs Team IRS- IRS, Diesel, Adam Bomb and Rick Martel- Savage here is replacing Mr. Perfect who right before this event was having back problems which was a problem during his WWF run. Big pop for Savage as this was his 1st PPV match since the Rumble the previous January. Diesel is the 1st to go after 10 minutes after signature flying elbow drop from Macho Man. Savage is the next to go after Crush comes out and distracts em leading to IRS rolling him up. I was never a Crush fan but this feud he had with Savage here was well done. They were friends in real life but they really made you feel like they hated each other. IRS is the next to go after a Razor's Edge from the bad guy. He would get his revenge seconds later after Razor has Martel up for an Edge but he gets hits with the briefcase leading him to roll to the floor and counted out. Take that you tax cheat!This would lead to a feud between heading into the Rumble. We are down to Bomb and Martel vs Marty and the Kid. The kid sunset flips Martel and just seconds later Marty sunset flips Bomb to win the match. Those last 5 minutes were great with the babyfaces playing the underdogs well. They would form a team after this leading to a brief tag title run in early 94 before they would lose em that same week to the Quebecers.Fun opener with a hot crowd to boot.
Team HBK- Shawn Michaels and his Knights vs The Hart Family-Bret,Owen,Bruce and Keith- Jerry Lawler was originally in the match but was axed after legal problems came up. He would return at WM X. HBK was a good substitute as he has history with Bret stemming from the previous SSeries.Family Feud host Ray Combs is in the booth for this one. My favorite host in that shows history. Black Knight is the 1st to go after Owen hits a missile dropkick from the top. After a long stretch The Red Knight is the next to go after Bret locks in the sharpshooter. Just minutes later the Blue Knight who you can clearly tell is Greg Valentine is eliminated from by Owen with the sharpshooter. Its down to the whole Hart clan against Michaels. We get the big spot of the match when Owen knocks Bret off the apron leading to him getting rolled up for the 3. Heenan-'' You know what Stu just said to Bret on the floor? Eh yeah get up you know good lazy bum!'' Michaels eventually bails and gets counted out which gives the 3 remaining Harts the win. This was fine but the length of it does hurt it a bit. This would start the classic Owen heel turn which would culminate at the Rumble. I gotta mention Heenan's commentary here as he's on fire the whole match. Him ripping on the Harts was gold. Heel announcers take notes as this is what a true HEEL commentator sounds like. Long live The Brain!
Next up is a brief intermission as they recap the feud between the Foreign Fanatics and The All Americans.
RNR Express vs The Heavenly Bodies for the SMW Tag Titles- This was apart of a deal the WWF had with SMW which lasted for a little while. Gorilla Monsoon and Jim Ross are on commentary as Vince and Bobby head over to Radio WWF. What a flop that was.Good match with both teams blending well. This felt like an old school NWA match. Shame the crowd was dead but that's understandable. Finish comes when Jimmy Del Ray comes off the top and nails Robert Gibson with his tennis racket. We got new SMW tag champs!
Team Bigelow- Bam Bam Bigelow,Headshrinkers and Bastion Booger vs The 4 Doinks- Men on a Mission and The Bushwhackers - Yep we are at this abomination of a match. Lets get through this as quickly as possible. Samu is the 1st to go after getting rolled up after biting into a balloon filled with water. Booger Man is next after Mabel hits a big legdrop. We get the most embarrassing elimination of the match next as Fatu is rolled up after slipping on a banana peel. Yep you read that right. We get a clean sweep after all 4 Doinks gang up on Bigelow with a dog pile. 25 years later and I still HATE the fact they made the Shrinkers and Bam Bam look like jokes here. It's no wonder they would turn the Shrinkers face right after WM X as this match killed all there legitimacy as a heel team. This would lead to the mix tag at WM X which THANKFULLY the heels would win. Terrible match here and the one black eye to this event.
The Foreign Fanatics- Yokozuna,Crush, Ludvig Borga and Jacques vs The All Americans- Lex Luger,Undertaker and the Steiner Brothers- Each team as a sub as Pierre the Quebecer was replaced by Crush after Luger took em out on Raw with his forearm. Taker replaced Tatanka after he was defeated by Borga on an episode of Superstars in his 1st loss and then right after Bonzai dropped by Yoko. Rick Steiner is the 1st to go after about 5 minutes after Borga reverses a crossbody from the top. Crush is the next to go after a little stretch after he's counted after brawling with Randy Savage in the aisle way. Like I said this feud was well done. Crush costing Randy earlier with him getting his revenge here. Good continuity. Jacques is gone next a few minutes later after Luger hits em with his loaded forearm. Yokozuna takes out Scott next with a leg drop. We are down to Yoko/Borga vs Luger/Taker. We get to the big moment of the match when Yoko and Taker are on the floor when Yoko rams Taker into the steps in which he no sell it which scares the big man almost to death. Both are counted out moments later which leads us to Borga/Luger as the last two. This would lead to the infamous casket match at the Rumble. Luger would rally for the good ol' USA after hitting Borga with the forearm for the win. Decent main event but nothing more. Taker was the big star here but for some reason his only time in was towards the end with the sequence with Yoko. No surprise the babyfaces won but Luger by this point was beyond saving after the whole SSlam situation. Post match Santa comes out to celebrate and we fade to black.
Final Thoughts- This was a decent SSeries with the only true bad match being the Doink mess. Bobby Heenan to me is the star of the show on commentary. He really hit a home run for his last WWF PPV full time.Verdict- Recommended( Just stay clear of the Doink match)
Next time on the Classic Reviews we'll head to Chi-Town for SSeries 89!
Until next time...Stay Classic and Merry Christmas Humanoids!!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2018 14:52:07 GMT -5
SSeries 89 is my favorite so looking forward to that review. Maybe I'm biased, but the SMW match was the best of SSeries 93. Overall though, yeah Heenan was the MVP of the show and nobody in today's shitty wwe holds a candlestick to him.
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Post by MKSavage on Dec 20, 2018 20:59:55 GMT -5
Survivor Series 1993
The Foreign Fanatics- Yokozuna,Crush, Ludvig Borga and Jacques vs The All Americans- Lex Luger,Undertaker and the Steiner Brothers- Each team as a sub as Pierre the Quebecer was replaced by Crush after Luger took em out on Raw with his forearm. Taker replaced Tatanka after he was defeated by Borga on an episode of Superstars in his 1st loss and then right after Bonzai dropped by Yoko. Rick Steiner is the 1st to go after about 5 minutes after Borga reverses a crossbody from the top. Crush is the next to go after a little stretch after he's counted after brawling with Randy Savage in the aisle way. Like I said this feud was well done. Crush costing Randy earlier with him getting his revenge here. Good continuity. Jacques is gone next a few minutes later after Luger hits em with his loaded forearm. Yokozuna takes out Scott next with a leg drop. We are down to Yoko/Borga vs Luger/Taker. We get to the big moment of the match when Yoko and Taker are on the floor when Yoko rams Taker into the steps in which he no sell it which scares the big man almost to death.
I wonder if that had to do with his back issues. After the Royal Rumble in 1994, Undertaker took time off because of his back injury (not sure if he had surgery during his time off or just rest). And I agree with you, they really did the Crush/Savage feud well. When Crush turned on him on Raw, that was great, and your buddy Heenan was a great instigator. Is the Crush feud the feud that the WWF gave to Savage because they didn't want to give him a feud with Shawn Michaels - which Savage wanted, which at the end of the feud Michaels would retire Savage (according to the Genius).
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Post by The Brain on Dec 20, 2018 21:25:52 GMT -5
Survivor Series 1993
The Foreign Fanatics- Yokozuna,Crush, Ludvig Borga and Jacques vs The All Americans- Lex Luger,Undertaker and the Steiner Brothers- Each team as a sub as Pierre the Quebecer was replaced by Crush after Luger took em out on Raw with his forearm. Taker replaced Tatanka after he was defeated by Borga on an episode of Superstars in his 1st loss and then right after Bonzai dropped by Yoko. Rick Steiner is the 1st to go after about 5 minutes after Borga reverses a crossbody from the top. Crush is the next to go after a little stretch after he's counted after brawling with Randy Savage in the aisle way. Like I said this feud was well done. Crush costing Randy earlier with him getting his revenge here. Good continuity. Jacques is gone next a few minutes later after Luger hits em with his loaded forearm. Yokozuna takes out Scott next with a leg drop. We are down to Yoko/Borga vs Luger/Taker. We get to the big moment of the match when Yoko and Taker are on the floor when Yoko rams Taker into the steps in which he no sell it which scares the big man almost to death.
I wonder if that had to do with his back issues. After the Royal Rumble in 1994, Undertaker took time off because of his back injury (not sure if he had surgery during his time off or just rest). And I agree with you, they really did the Crush/Savage feud well. When Crush turned on him on Raw, that was great, and your buddy Heenan was a great instigator. Is the Crush feud the feud that the WWF gave to Savage because they didn't want to give him a feud with Shawn Michaels - which Savage wanted, which at the end of the feud Michaels would retire Savage (according to the Genius). I'm not 100% but if I recall he had the back surgery right around this time so yeah looking back that would explain his low workload. I always thought the feud with Yoko was his best feud between mid 92 until early 96 when he started the feud with Diesel which ignited his career IMO.
I know Savage wanted a feud with Michaels as he saw the potential in em but yeah obviously Vince didn't care for it as this is what we got instead. No complaints though as like I said the feud from start to finish was well done. I liked how in the beginning of it on Raw they would have Crush on the phone talking about his injury from Yoko and when Savage spoke to em all you hear is the phone click. Great storytelling and no doubt Brian Adams finest hour of his career.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2018 10:44:42 GMT -5
I heard Undertaker took off after Royal Rumble 94 was because his wife was having a baby or was that a rumor?
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Post by MKSavage on Dec 21, 2018 13:51:27 GMT -5
I wonder if that had to do with his back issues. After the Royal Rumble in 1994, Undertaker took time off because of his back injury (not sure if he had surgery during his time off or just rest). And I agree with you, they really did the Crush/Savage feud well. When Crush turned on him on Raw, that was great, and your buddy Heenan was a great instigator. Is the Crush feud the feud that the WWF gave to Savage because they didn't want to give him a feud with Shawn Michaels - which Savage wanted, which at the end of the feud Michaels would retire Savage (according to the Genius). I'm not 100% but if I recall he had the back surgery right around this time so yeah looking back that would explain his low workload. I always thought the feud with Yoko was his best feud between mid 92 until early 96 when he started the feud with Diesel which ignited his career IMO.
I know Savage wanted a feud with Michaels as he saw the potential in em but yeah obviously Vince didn't care for it as this is what we got instead. No complaints though as like I said the feud from start to finish was well done. I liked how in the beginning of it on Raw they would have Crush on the phone talking about his injury from Yoko and when Savage spoke to em all you hear is the phone click. Great storytelling and no doubt Brian Adams finest hour of his career.
Agreed, I think 1996 was Undertaker's career making year. His match with Bret Hart, his feuds with Diesel, Mankind, and Goldust were awesome. Just goes to show that when they stopped making him do the gimmick style he finally showed that he had wrestling ability. I liked the feud with Crush, i though it was really well done from beginning to end. I just wish after the Crush feud that they could have given Savage the feud with Michaels. I think it would have really helped Shawn, especially after the Razor feud, he really didn't do a whole lot the rest of 1994 (other than tag with Diesel). They could have had Savage and Shawn work the rest of 1994, with Shawn going over and retiring Savage like Randy wanted. Which would have lead into the feud he had with Diesel at the beginning of 1995.
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Post by The Brain on Dec 21, 2018 17:07:08 GMT -5
I heard Undertaker took off after Royal Rumble 94 was because his wife was having a baby or was that a rumor? Yeah it was a combination of him resting up and his child being born.
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Post by alexxx on Dec 22, 2018 15:56:55 GMT -5
Is Survivor series 1987 on the review list? I would to see that one reviewed too please
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