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Post by Kill Em' All on Feb 12, 2018 0:45:24 GMT -5
So I did a trial pro wrestling training session in my local indy federation (Destiny Wrestling Organization, ABQ New Mexico) and I am just wanting to touch base with you guys on my opinion for assurance. I stopped going due to I don't think we were being trained right, and it's backwards training.
I don't want to say I know everything about the art of pro wrestling, because I don't. But, I started watching 10 years ago when I was 8. I feel like I do know a thing or two just by observing for a decade. First of all, our ring was outside in someones backyard in the slightly almost ''ghetto'' side of town. Rookies were doing ''rolls'', running to turnbuckle and flying over the opponents head, running the ropes and jumping over the top rope to enter somewhat similar to Mr. Perfect style. Rolls are important to bumping but I don't feel like they are something that needs to be hammered on. Jumping over the ring similar to Mr. Perfect style? Like, why do I need to know this on day one? Then then turnbuckle exercise seems fairly early. The rope running too, I need to hold the middle and top for leverage in case the rope breaks?! Training is $1,000 and we had a class of 4, that's $4,000. Better ropes can easily be afforded. As well as that I have to put my right foot forward anytime I bounce on the rope?
I typically think early first few weeks is training is bumping, running the ropes right, punching, basic ring movements, etc. I just want to here if everyone agrees or not so I can also try to help guys avoid these guys.
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Post by ~*Young $ Money*~ on Feb 12, 2018 0:58:34 GMT -5
I didn’t learn punches til I was way in. You would be surprised how important the basics really are. I know everyone wants to jump in and do all kinds of crazy stuff but until you can do basic stuff you won’t get anywhere. My first class I remember working on a basic back bump and the early doings of rope running. They teach you how to hold and run the ropes in case it ever breaks,not just in that ring. WWE has even had a rope break here or there. They want to protect you and make sure if something does happen you don’t flip over the middle rope and fall on your head. Rolls are something I worked on every class. Once we learned how to we still did them at the beginning of every class. I can’t tell you about how professional it is to have a ring in a backyard and train. Look to see who the head trainer is, have they worked for any major companies, how long have they been doing it, that type of thing. If not try and find a More reputable place. My first month I didn’t nothing but run ropes, roll, and basic bumps, it was probably even longer than a month actually.
Honestly I’m not trying to be a dick but if you think by watching wrestling you can learn it or know what you’re doing, you’re in for a rough ride. I went in pretending to know nothing and had a better time. If you can’t get in and out of a ring, how are you supposed to have a match? Just plenty of little crap I would never ever think of or know without training
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Post by disorder on Feb 12, 2018 4:23:25 GMT -5
Ropes are the most basic thing you can do.
There was a pro wrestling class in the same building as my one bjj class a few year ago and that’s what they did. I sat in on a few lessons and got involved. We learned how to run the ropes and to feel comfortable with them, first. The coach stressed that it was important to feel comfortable and know them more than anything.
Ropes break. Not everyone uses steel cable, a lot of schools and wwe still uses rope wrapped.
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Post by Sizzle on Feb 12, 2018 8:06:44 GMT -5
I thought it was pretty well known that most new trainees start with rolling and running the ropes.
It's giving a foundation for knowledge of your environment.
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Post by HARLAND on Feb 12, 2018 9:17:50 GMT -5
Having the ring in a backyard is a little questionable, but otherwise, those are all the standard exercises for trainees.
The Mr Perfect entrance is great for agility purposes, you run the ropes like that anyway to protect yourself, rolling is incredibly important because flubbing a roll can be just as dangerous as flubbing a bump and of course bumps are the foundation of what you're doing.
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Post by alanpartridge on Feb 12, 2018 11:01:03 GMT -5
There are alot of pro wrestling training schools. I've been to a few. I haven't been lately but I plan on doing it again when I'm in shape. I'd say go to a few and then stay going to the one with the best vibe. Rolls are done in all the schools. Some schools do more funner stuff like promos and entrances..............and some do a load of boring chain wrestling. Also make sure your trainer seems interested in helping you become a wrestler and not just wanting to take your money.
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Post by Haze on Feb 12, 2018 12:20:14 GMT -5
Standard procedure. Start with ropes, rolls and outside of the ring exercises. It’s simply to get you conditioned and used to how the ring feels. One guy I trained with started off in a Somoa Joe and C.M. Punk camp they wouldn’t even let you step foot in the ring until after the first month of work outs. Don’t think you know more than you do because more expericed guys will run circles around you.
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Post by TheLastDude on Feb 12, 2018 16:23:56 GMT -5
I...wow...I don't know what to say to this.
How could you possibly go into a training class knowing NOTHING, and then proceed to assume that the trainer doesn't know what HE'S talking about?
ESPECIALLY when it's obvious you don't even know what the basics are?
Go ask Bob Holly to train you. I want to see him Matt Cappotelli you.
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Post by Kill Em' All on Feb 12, 2018 17:25:10 GMT -5
Excuse the running the ropes, I meant the way we were doing them I felt was wrong. Of course it's a essential basic.
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Post by Kill Em' All on Feb 12, 2018 17:26:31 GMT -5
I...wow...I don't know what to say to this. How could you possibly go into a training class knowing NOTHING, and then proceed to assume that the trainer doesn't know what HE'S talking about? ESPECIALLY when it's obvious you don't even know what the basics are? Go ask Bob Holly to train you. I want to see him Matt Cappotelli you. Considering that I am investing money into this, I should be skeptical. I didn't assume he knew nothing. I simply felt it didn't seem right. |
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Post by disorder on Feb 12, 2018 18:21:10 GMT -5
I...wow...I don't know what to say to this. How could you possibly go into a training class knowing NOTHING, and then proceed to assume that the trainer doesn't know what HE'S talking about? ESPECIALLY when it's obvious you don't even know what the basics are? Go ask Bob Holly to train you. I want to see him Matt Cappotelli you. Considering that I am investing money into this, I should be skeptical. I didn't assume he knew nothing. I simply felt it didn't seem right. But you have no reason to assume that. Being a fan doesn’t mean jack crap when it comes to actual in ring knowledge. Why didn’t it seem right? No one knows a thing or two until they are trained |
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Post by Kill Em' All on Feb 12, 2018 21:27:12 GMT -5
Considering that I am investing money into this, I should be skeptical. I didn't assume he knew nothing. I simply felt it didn't seem right. But you have no reason to assume that. Being a fan doesn’t mean jack crap when it comes to actual in ring knowledge. Why didn’t it seem right? No one knows a thing or two until they are trained I disagree , like anything if you observe it for years you may not know everything. But, you'll pick up and learn atleast small things by observing. Being skeptical and aware is a mental trait people should desire to have.I have no right to totally black list them. But, they're is a few red flags in my The ring being outside, the turnbuckle dive off, the rope running procedure. I do recollect small Indy guys to WWE guys using that method. |
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Post by HARLAND on Feb 12, 2018 22:23:31 GMT -5
But you have no reason to assume that. Being a fan doesn’t mean jack crap when it comes to actual in ring knowledge. Why didn’t it seem right? No one knows a thing or two until they are trained I disagree , like anything if you observe it for years you may not know everything. But, you'll pick up and learn atleast small things by observing. Being skeptical and aware is a mental trait people should desire to have.I have no right to totally black list them. But, they're is a few red flags in my The ring being outside, the turnbuckle dive off, the rope running procedure. I do recollect small Indy guys to WWE guys using that method. That's actually how you're supposed to run ropes though? You have every right to be skeptical, but this definitely comes across like you think you know more than the trainer. |
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Post by ~*Young $ Money*~ on Feb 12, 2018 22:50:15 GMT -5
But you have no reason to assume that. Being a fan doesn’t mean jack crap when it comes to actual in ring knowledge. Why didn’t it seem right? No one knows a thing or two until they are trained I disagree , like anything if you observe it for years you may not know everything. But, you'll pick up and learn atleast small things by observing. Being skeptical and aware is a mental trait people should desire to have.I have no right to totally black list them. But, they're is a few red flags in my The ring being outside, the turnbuckle dive off, the rope running procedure. I do recollect small Indy guys to WWE guys using that method. I watched wrestling since I was around 4-6 years old. Started training when I was 19. Still knew nothing. Watching it and thinking you know about it and actually learning and doing it the right way is night and day. Not even close to the same.the most basic of moves were some of the most wow it’s really like that? Moments I had in there. You don’t just run up to a rope and bounce off. You have to place your back, arms and feet all in certain places, you have to lead with X foot try and end with Y, only take so many steps. Who really knows that watching every week? Who is the head trainer there and how much experience does he have? |
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Post by Kill Em' All on Feb 12, 2018 22:55:32 GMT -5
I disagree , like anything if you observe it for years you may not know everything. But, you'll pick up and learn atleast small things by observing. Being skeptical and aware is a mental trait people should desire to have.I have no right to totally black list them. But, they're is a few red flags in my The ring being outside, the turnbuckle dive off, the rope running procedure. I do recollect small Indy guys to WWE guys using that method. That's actually how you're supposed to run ropes though? You have every right to be skeptical, but this definitely comes across like you think you know more than the trainer. Sorry my phones typing is poor. I mean I do not recollect. |
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Post by Kill Em' All on Feb 12, 2018 23:00:05 GMT -5
I disagree , like anything if you observe it for years you may not know everything. But, you'll pick up and learn atleast small things by observing. Being skeptical and aware is a mental trait people should desire to have.I have no right to totally black list them. But, they're is a few red flags in my The ring being outside, the turnbuckle dive off, the rope running procedure. I do recollect small Indy guys to WWE guys using that method. I watched wrestling since I was around 4-6 years old. Started training when I was 19. Still knew nothing. Watching it and thinking you know about it and actually learning and doing it the right way is night and day. Not even close to the same.the most basic of moves were some of the most wow it’s really like that? Moments I had in there. You don’t just run up to a rope and bounce off. You have to place your back, arms and feet all in certain places, you have to lead with X foot try and end with Y, only take so many steps. Who really knows that watching every week? Who is the head trainer there and how much experience does he have? Of course you don't just run and bounce, although it is fun to do that. Lol, I just didn't see there method being done on broad scale. Both trainers only used first names, and it's been a while. They didn't go into there background. Both have to be in there 40s or really late 30s. Which I feel basic introduction would of been nice of their criteria. |
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Post by ~*Young $ Money*~ on Feb 12, 2018 23:04:40 GMT -5
I watched wrestling since I was around 4-6 years old. Started training when I was 19. Still knew nothing. Watching it and thinking you know about it and actually learning and doing it the right way is night and day. Not even close to the same.the most basic of moves were some of the most wow it’s really like that? Moments I had in there. You don’t just run up to a rope and bounce off. You have to place your back, arms and feet all in certain places, you have to lead with X foot try and end with Y, only take so many steps. Who really knows that watching every week? Who is the head trainer there and how much experience does he have? Of course you don't just run and bounce, although it is fun to do that. Lol, I just didn't see there method being done on broad scale. Both trainers only used first names, and it's been a while. They didn't go into there background. Both have to be in there 40s or really late 30s. Which I feel basic introduction would of been nice of their criteria. Then it’s your job to ask and find out. Hey man have you worked any big feds? How long have you wrestled? YOu travel a lot? Work in any other countries? |
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Post by Kill Em' All on Feb 12, 2018 23:34:11 GMT -5
Of course you don't just run and bounce, although it is fun to do that. Lol, I just didn't see there method being done on broad scale. Both trainers only used first names, and it's been a while. They didn't go into there background. Both have to be in there 40s or really late 30s. Which I feel basic introduction would of been nice of their criteria. Then it’s your job to ask and find out. Hey man have you worked any big feds? How long have you wrestled? YOu travel a lot? Work in any other countries? I do acknowledge that was on my fault not to ask. Which I should of done, but I think he should of told some of his own credentials prior to me asking. |
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Post by Haze on Feb 13, 2018 1:25:40 GMT -5
Another thing you have to realize is all moves have a basic motion to how they are done, all wrestlers have their own twist/way they do each move but first you must learn how to properly do the basic mechanics of said move. You won’t learn that by watching it on tv, you will learn that by experience. To be honest if a you came in to the school, I went to you would be stretched hard for thinking you know and can do everything because you watched which makes you advanced.. seen it to many times. My best advice if you are serious would be quit thinking your better and to do everything they say there is a rhyme and reason for it. If you have questions ask them after class but don’t say things like “I don’t think we are doing this properly or I think we should be practicing punches”
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Post by Kill Em' All on Feb 13, 2018 1:42:37 GMT -5
Another thing you have to realize is all moves have a basic motion to how they are done, all wrestlers have their own twist/way they do each move but first you must learn how to properly do the basic mechanics of said move. You won’t learn that by watching it on tv, you will learn that by experience. To be honest if a you came in to the school, I went to you would be stretched hard for thinking you know and can do everything because you watched which makes you advanced.. seen it to many times. My best advice if you are serious would be quit thinking your better and to do everything they say there is a rhyme and reason for it. If you have questions ask them after class but don’t say things like “I don’t think we are doing this properly or I think we should be practicing punches” I really am getting kick out of everyone. I never said I know everything. Where in my statements have I said that? I said, I feel by watching for over a decade I know a few things. Not a lot, just small little things I have observed. I am not stating or implying I am a expert. Again, learn to be skeptical. I am not dissing on them as trainers. I am being a thing called...skeptical. Being skeptical is totally naturally human trait. I question anything put before me. Not because I know better, I want to insure the best knowledge. Maybe if you could read and understand what I am saying properly. Sure, I could use a better language to voice my concern on it. But, again I am communicating via a phone or computer to this post. So, my tone of voice is not being heard. Allowing you to make assumptions on what I am saying. Please, learn what being skeptical is over being paranoid or B. assuming knowledge rather just questioning a practice. |
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