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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2018 18:09:28 GMT -5
you were trying to simplify the issue of gun control to rather having one if you wish to or not. those children who were lucky to survive featured in that article feel far differently about it than you do. Why? I don’t understand why your talking about specific cases of shootings. The issue of gun control was the topic. Because people got shot doesn’t mean that nobody should be allowed to own a gun it’s downright stupid. People get killed by cars, dogs, food, stairs, lots of things kill people
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Post by theMOESIAH on Feb 17, 2018 18:12:35 GMT -5
A lot of people keep saying this but none of you can answer one simple question: Why does this only happen here? Oh great, so if I don't want to get shot but some dickbag then I just don't get shot? Thanks! Problem solved. But you can’t control everyone. Nor should you or anyone else think they can People's lives shouldn't come before your bullcraphobby. I don't understand what you people don't understand about this. America: more guns, easier access to those guns, more gun deaths Everyone else: fewer to no guns, difficult to access, gun deaths are very rare, no mass shootings. What am I missing here? Why is this so hard for your side to grasp? Every single time this happens -- and we've had 18 school shooting in 2018 alone -- you guys say there's no way to prevent this but yet everyone but us seems to have figured it out.
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Post by K5 on Feb 17, 2018 18:15:38 GMT -5
you were trying to simplify the issue of gun control to rather having one if you wish to or not. those children who were lucky to survive featured in that article feel far differently about it than you do. Why? I don’t understand why your talking about specific cases of shootings. The issue of gun control was the topic. Because people got shot doesn’t mean that nobody should be allowed to own a gun it’s downright stupid. People get killed by cars, dogs, food, stairs, lots of things kill people and this mentality is why children continue to die in America by school shootings. none of those things you listed were manufactured to kill people - but guns are. but if we have a car kill someone, we try to build new models that aren’t as dangerous and outlaw dangerous aspects, if a dog bites then we put it down, if food kills then we call a public warning on it and take the company making the food to court for responsibility, if stairs kill due to design we change the style to meet safety standards....but if children die due to the obscene amount of guns and the laws surrounding them then America does nothing. I don’t really think debating with you is an option as clearly the value of human life is secondary to you in comparison to you being able to do whatever you want despite the repurcussions on others. which is downright monstrous.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2018 18:19:56 GMT -5
Why? I don’t understand why your talking about specific cases of shootings. The issue of gun control was the topic. Because people got shot doesn’t mean that nobody should be allowed to own a gun it’s downright stupid. People get killed by cars, dogs, food, stairs, lots of things kill people and this mentality is why children continue to die in America by school shootings. none of those things you listed were manufactured to kill people - but guns are. but if we have a car kill someone, we try to build new models that aren’t as dangerous and outlaw dangerous aspects, if a dog bites then we put it down, if food kills then we call a public warning on it and take the company making the food to court for responsibility, if stairs kill due to design we change the style to meet safety standards....but if children die due to the obscene amount of guns and the laws surrounding them then America does nothing. I don’t really think debating with you is an option as clearly the value of human life is secondary to you in comparison to you being able to do whatever you want despite the repurcussions on others. which is downright monstrous. No it’s not. You’re wrong. They die because the mentally ill own guns and shoot them. A man in the uk deliberately drove his car into a wall with his kids inside aiming the kill them, it’s not the cars fault or responsible car owners faults, it’s the mentally ill. No sane person shoots people in their school. But you are right on one thing, there is no point debating with me. Your opinion is wrong in my view, and I am entitled to my view, you don’t have to like it. But it remains.
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Post by K5 on Feb 17, 2018 18:29:54 GMT -5
and this mentality is why children continue to die in America by school shootings. none of those things you listed were manufactured to kill people - but guns are. but if we have a car kill someone, we try to build new models that aren’t as dangerous and outlaw dangerous aspects, if a dog bites then we put it down, if food kills then we call a public warning on it and take the company making the food to court for responsibility, if stairs kill due to design we change the style to meet safety standards....but if children die due to the obscene amount of guns and the laws surrounding them then America does nothing. I don’t really think debating with you is an option as clearly the value of human life is secondary to you in comparison to you being able to do whatever you want despite the repurcussions on others. which is downright monstrous. No it’s not. You’re wrong. They die because the mentally ill own guns and shoot them. A man in the uk deliberately drove his car into a wall with his kids inside aiming the kill them, it’s not the cars fault or responsible car owners faults, it’s the mentally ill. No sane person shoots people in their school. But you are right on one thing, there is no point debating with me. Your opinion is wrong in my view, and I am entitled to my view, you don’t have to like it. But it remains. you can have your opinion, but it’s riddled with inaccuracies. this study clears up that mass shootings are rarely done by the mentally ill: psychiatryonline.org/doi/pdf/10.5555/appi.books.9781615371099 it’s your country that is crazy - gun crazy.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2018 18:31:53 GMT -5
No it’s not. You’re wrong. They die because the mentally ill own guns and shoot them. A man in the uk deliberately drove his car into a wall with his kids inside aiming the kill them, it’s not the cars fault or responsible car owners faults, it’s the mentally ill. No sane person shoots people in their school. But you are right on one thing, there is no point debating with me. Your opinion is wrong in my view, and I am entitled to my view, you don’t have to like it. But it remains. you can have your opinion, but it’s riddled with inaccuracies. this study clears up that mass shootings are rarely done by the mentally ill: psychiatryonline.org/doi/pdf/10.5555/appi.books.9781615371099 it’s your country that is crazy - gun crazy. My country, the UK, has very strict gun laws. I’m not in the US, I feel it’s utterly ludicrous for someone, like you, who isn’t even in America, to tell them they should ban guns. If it wasn’t guns the nutters were using it’d be something else.
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Post by TheSystem 1.5 on Feb 17, 2018 18:37:23 GMT -5
My country, the UK, has very strict gun laws. I’m not in the US, I feel it’s utterly ludicrous for someone, like you, who isn’t even in America, to tell them they should ban guns. If it wasn’t guns the nutters were using it’d be something else. Kids. Died. But compassion right? "crapaint happening here let the shit's die.". bunghole
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Post by K5 on Feb 17, 2018 18:37:30 GMT -5
My country, the UK, has very strict gun laws. I’m not in the US, I feel it’s utterly ludicrous for someone, like you, who isn’t even in America, to tell them they should ban guns. If it wasn’t guns the nutters were using it’d be something else. so it’s okay for you to argue that they should have their guns and laws the way they are, but I can’t argue the opposite? definition of hypocrisy. never mind that you literally still referred to them as crazy despite quoting my post where I share a link that completely destroys that viewpoint. i’m hoping you’re still young, as you have a lot to learn.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2018 18:41:32 GMT -5
My country, the UK, has very strict gun laws. I’m not in the US, I feel it’s utterly ludicrous for someone, like you, who isn’t even in America, to tell them they should ban guns. If it wasn’t guns the nutters were using it’d be something else. Kids. Died. But compassion right? "crap aint happening here let the crap's die.". bunghole Are you a moron? Or is this how you attempt to make a point in your everyday life? Why can’t you act with a bit of decorum like everyone else taking part in this debate.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2018 18:44:05 GMT -5
My country, the UK, has very strict gun laws. I’m not in the US, I feel it’s utterly ludicrous for someone, like you, who isn’t even in America, to tell them they should ban guns. If it wasn’t guns the nutters were using it’d be something else. so it’s okay for you to argue that they should have their guns and laws the way they are, but I can’t argue the opposite? definition of hypocrisy. never mind that you literally still referred to them as crazy despite quoting my post where I share a link that completely destroys that viewpoint. i’m hoping you’re still young, as you have a lot to learn. Yes, it’s their country, not ours. Who are we to tell them they should change? The people carrying out these shootings are mental, there is not a sane person that would consider carrying out a mass shooting. You have to be mental to do it. That’s a fact. Whether or not they’ve shown any history of being mental is something else. I’m 34 so not young. I’m old enough to know we won’t all agree, there are certain aspects of gun control that I believe should change, but who am I? It’s not my country
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Feb 17, 2018 18:45:23 GMT -5
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Post by TheSystem 1.5 on Feb 17, 2018 18:45:23 GMT -5
Kids. Died. But compassion right? "crap aint happening here let the crap's die.". bunghole Are you a moron? Or is this how you attempt to make a point in your everyday life? Why can’t you act with a bit of decorum like everyone else taking part in this debate. Decorum? You basically just asked why your country should cade about the death of KIDS just because they weren't in your country. But I'm the stupid one?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2018 18:45:57 GMT -5
Are you a moron? Or is this how you attempt to make a point in your everyday life? Why can’t you act with a bit of decorum like everyone else taking part in this debate. Decorum? You basically just asked why your country should cade about the death of KIDS just because they weren't in your country. But I'm the stupid one? Would you point me to where I said I didn’t care? Try reading it properly.
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Post by SweetPrinceBH on Feb 17, 2018 18:46:37 GMT -5
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Post by K5 on Feb 17, 2018 18:52:00 GMT -5
so it’s okay for you to argue that they should have their guns and laws the way they are, but I can’t argue the opposite? definition of hypocrisy. never mind that you literally still referred to them as crazy despite quoting my post where I share a link that completely destroys that viewpoint. i’m hoping you’re still young, as you have a lot to learn. Yes, it’s their country, not ours. Who are we to tell them they should change? The people carrying out these shootings are mental, there is not a sane person that would consider carrying out a mass shooting. You have to be mental to do it. That’s a fact. Whether or not they’ve shown any history of being mental is something else. I’m 34 so not young. I’m old enough to know we won’t all agree, there are certain aspects of gun control that I believe should change, but who am I? It’s not my country firstly, you aren’t a doctor. so despite your declaring, it is not a fact that you have to be mental to commit those shootings. the study I posted - which is recognized by the American psychiatric association - clarifies that. which are doctors. so you’re literally as incorrect as one can be. as for the ‘not my country’ argument, this is a international forum that contains a thread on US gun control and policies. I have just as much a right to share my opinion as any other member does.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2018 18:52:49 GMT -5
Yes, it’s their country, not ours. Who are we to tell them they should change? The people carrying out these shootings are mental, there is not a sane person that would consider carrying out a mass shooting. You have to be mental to do it. That’s a fact. Whether or not they’ve shown any history of being mental is something else. I’m 34 so not young. I’m old enough to know we won’t all agree, there are certain aspects of gun control that I believe should change, but who am I? It’s not my country firstly, you aren’t a doctor. so despite your declaring, it is not a fact that you have to be mental to commit those shootings. the study I posted - which is recognized by the American psychiatric association - clarifies that. which are doctors. so you’re literally as incorrect as one can be. as for the ‘not my country’ argument, this is a international forum that contains a thread on US gun control and policies. I have just as much a right to share my opinion as any other member does. Nobody sane would commit a mass shooting, it’s not a normal thing to do And because it’s your opinion, doesn’t mean I should agree. And I don’t.
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Post by K5 on Feb 17, 2018 18:54:05 GMT -5
firstly, you aren’t a doctor. so despite your declaring, it is not a fact that you have to be mental to commit those shootings. the study I posted - which is recognized by the American psychiatric association - clarifies that. which are doctors. so you’re literally as incorrect as one can be. as for the ‘not my country’ argument, this is a international forum that contains a thread on US gun control and policies. I have just as much a right to share my opinion as any other member does. Nobody sane would commit a mass shooting and yet a body of facts compiled by a medical database completely disprove that. facts > your opinion. let’s move on.
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Post by FLUX on Feb 17, 2018 18:54:13 GMT -5
My country, the UK, has very strict gun laws. I’m not in the US, I feel it’s utterly ludicrous for someone, like you, who isn’t even in America, to tell them they should ban guns. If it wasn’t guns the nutters were using it’d be something else. So you can argue for keeping guns when you're nowhere near the area being affected, but someone else can't argue banning them for the same reasons? You can't have your cake and eat it too, pal.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2018 18:54:42 GMT -5
Nobody sane would commit a mass shooting and yet a body of facts compiled by a medical database completely disprove that. Sane people do not commit crimes like that.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2018 18:55:14 GMT -5
My country, the UK, has very strict gun laws. I’m not in the US, I feel it’s utterly ludicrous for someone, like you, who isn’t even in America, to tell them they should ban guns. If it wasn’t guns the nutters were using it’d be something else. So you can argue for keeping guns when you're nowhere near the area being affected, but someone else can't argue banning them for the same reasons? You can't have your cake and eat it too, pal. I can because it’s already written into law.
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Post by FLUX on Feb 17, 2018 18:58:05 GMT -5
So you can argue for keeping guns when you're nowhere near the area being affected, but someone else can't argue banning them for the same reasons? You can't have your cake and eat it too, pal. I can because it’s already written into law. *Laws written during a time when the United States had to defend itself while trying to establish itself as an independent nation from England and are horribly antiquated for today's modern society.
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