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Post by J12 on Mar 27, 2018 11:20:32 GMT -5
Elias isn't entertaining and he's boring as hell in the ring.
Smackdown hasn't just been bad for the last few months, it's been terrible since Randy Orton won the Royal Rumble last year.
Bray Wyatt's WWE title run was a mistake.
Jinder Mahal isn't good enough to even be a main roster talent, let alone a semi-pushed/protected act. His music is great, though.
Shinsuke Nakamura has been one of the biggest disappointments I've seen in the company, and, though I still like him, AJ should beat him clean at Wrestlemania.
Speaking of disappointments, Adam Cole has been incredibly underwhelming.
Randy Orton hasn't had an above average singles match in almost five years.
Kane hasn't done anything credible or entertaining since 2004.
I don't care that the streak ended.
Alexa Bliss is the strongest overall character in the entire company.
If I were drafting a wrestling company from scratch, Roman Reigns would be my number one overall pick. As a heel.
Hulk Hogan should not be brought back to WWE.
Bobby Roode is the most bland character on the roster.
People give NJPW way too many breaks. Their main events are almost always fantastic and deserve the praise that they get, but their undercards are, more often than not, littered with useless tag team matches that advance nothing. Don't get me wrong, it's a great promotion and I enjoy it, but they should not be impervious to criticism for lazy booking.
As messy and predictable as it was, even in hindsight, I enjoyed the hell out of the Invasion.
2015-2016 defined John Cena as a greatest-of-all-time contender, and is one of the most impressive stretches of in-ring work in wrestling history.
I never thought Rey Mysterio should have won the World Title.
Matt Hardy, is, and always has been, better than Jeff Hardy. I never bought Jeff as a main event player.
I'm sure there's more I may think of.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2018 11:39:55 GMT -5
Gran Metalik is the best luchador to ever work for WWE. Noam Dar is #9 in my top 15 favourite wrestlers ever, I'll only say that much. Ken Shamrock shoulda won the WWF Title from Austin at Breakdown 98, so he was the Master Plan. D'Lo Brown should've won The WWF Title. Jeff Jarrett was an amazing TNA Heavyweight Champion. Baron Corbin sucks. Face Bobby Roode is pretty good. He was gonna get cheered anyway. Matt Morgan shoulda at least been US Champ.
Nikki Bella is a good wrestler. Roman Reigns is a Great Wrestler, and when his promo is unscripted he's fantastic. Dakota Kai is the best Women's Wrestler in WWE. You made me choke on my Doritos! I liked the Hellavator!
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Post by Eugene69 on Mar 27, 2018 12:42:36 GMT -5
Montreal screwjob was a work.
Women's wrestling sucks big time.
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Post by bigshab421 on Mar 27, 2018 12:48:21 GMT -5
Finn Balor is one of the worst stars on the active roster. Small, boring moveset, and cannot talk to save his life.
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Post by havoc7179 on Mar 27, 2018 12:53:21 GMT -5
Few more things:
1) I love Lance Storm, and as much as the last decade or so has been about workrate, he would never be a world champion. Same goes for Jerry Lynn. These are two of my favorite wrestlers (in my personal top 10) and I could never see them, or get behind them, being world champion in any promotion--not TNA, not WCW, not even ECW. Same also goes for Val Venis.
2) Ziggler doesn't steal the show. His selling makes you realize wrestling is fake. Yes, he can flop like a fish, but I don't need to think I'm watching a cartoon to enjoy wrestling.
3) As smart as I feel Bischoff is, the nWo had no end game. It blew up, and he can say he was trying to start a separate brand (Monday Nitro for WCW and Thursday Thunder for nWo), but that's BS. He had all heels. When the nWo was big, it was all heels. I think when Thunder came out, nWo Wolfpac came a few months later, but then you had all main WCW players on nWo Wolfpac. It would dilute Nitro unless you were hoping DDP and Goldberg would carry that 2-3 hour show. So they really had no idea what to do with the nWo after it exploded. It should have just taken over.
4) Jim Cornette is fun to listen to, but his opinions like Meltzer's are strictly his opinions. Too many people buy into them like their gospel.
5) Russo didn't ruin WCW or wrestling. While he may have had unchecked decision making powers, but that's the fault of the promoters who hired him. Plus, there's a writing team. Russo wasn't writing all the stories.
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Post by 5th Horsewoman on Mar 27, 2018 13:48:21 GMT -5
The only thing i like about Nakamura is his entrance theme.
Hogan has more than paid the price for his comments.
I have no interest in the Cruiserweights.
Steph is great as the evil boss.
Turns out Ziggler isn't as great as made out to be.
Fan's have become way to sensitive about storyline/promos.
Balor is boring.
Don't care for Askua.
New Day should break up.
This stuff with Matt is lame
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Post by crashholly2002 on Mar 27, 2018 13:52:25 GMT -5
there was and still is nothing wrong with Jinder Mahal as world champion
the 3MB and The New Day are one in the same, regardless of who booked it or whatever
it's funny how everyone bitches that Jinder Mahal was pushed out of nowhere when Shinsuke Nakamura just won the royal rumble. i firmly believe that Shinsuke Nakamura just didn't felt right winning the royal rumble in his debut of the match (but that don't mean i dislike him for winning it)
i mean honestly, ignoring his work in NXT, NJPW, and IWGP (cause the most casual of WWE fans don't know about that at all); what has he done that would make you think: "hmm I want that guy to win."
he had a lackluster feud with Ziggler a meh feud with Mahal a great match with Cena and what else? you're right, but the casualized audience wouldn't know of Nakamura's IWGP and NXT works; so the fanbase is only exposed to his somewhat lackluster matches and feud of Dolph, Randy Orton is atypical (same problem that Jinder faced), Jinder didn't mesh well together, so Cena was the best one so far. Just because out of all the choices
Giving Randy Orton the US title is one of the more dumber booking decisions i've ever seen to date
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Post by sonstuds on Mar 27, 2018 14:07:34 GMT -5
Luke Harper > Bray Wyatt (if that's unpopular ...?)
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Post by Liv Is Life on Mar 27, 2018 14:15:33 GMT -5
I’ll play some...
I absolutely cannot stand Asuka. She’s fine enough in the ring, but I cannot and will not enjoy another “undefeated” streak..they are too boring and predictable.
Emma should have beaten Asuka in her main roster debut match, to give that “anything can happen” feel. Also, Emma was criminally underrated and really deserved a push and at least a program for the title.
Christian and Matt Hardy have always been the strongest performers from their respective teams. Jeff and Edge are fine in their own right, but both lacked that certain “it” factor.
For my money, there is no single performer better today overall, than The Miz. He is by far and away the most complete person on the roster right now. AJ Styles or Braun Strowman would be second and third.
Bret Hart is one of the most overrated performers of all time. This may be more to do with how bitter and over opinionated he’s become the last several years, but my god I’m fine never hearing from Bret again.
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Post by TheLastDude on Mar 27, 2018 14:51:14 GMT -5
Off the top of my head, and with more to come:
The Mount Rushmore of professional wrestling is: Hogan, Austin, Rock, and Cena
The Undertaker is one of the most overrated wrestlers of all time
Randy Orton has always been terrible
Women's wrestling is boring, bland, and unbelievable for the most part
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Post by ahunter8056 on Mar 27, 2018 15:08:22 GMT -5
I'll just say that my interpretation of this thread is that it's intended to be a non-argument thread, where no matter how much we may disagree with opinions here, there is no need to dispute them. Anywhere, here's a few of mine:
- Blading is a barbaric practice, and there is absolutely no need for blood in wrestling, at all. - Asuka is horrendous on the mic. - Bret Hart and Ric Flair were both dull in-ring performers. Flair flopping on his face was incredibly stupid. - The bad segments of the Attitude Era by far outweighed the good. When I think of the Attitude Era, I think of Mae Young giving birth to a hand, Triple H committing necrophilia, Val Venis having his dick sliced off, etc. I think of the bad before the good, because the Attitude Era was home to the very worst segments in wrestling history, even given that it also had some of the best. - Today's product is my favourite era, even given how poor the creative team and camera operators are. - Sasha Banks is incredibly misunderstood by those who genuinely hate her as a person due to her no tolerance level with stalkers, and she seems to genuinely care about her fans. - Stalking a wrestler at their hotel or airport is not okay at all, and is shameful. - Nia Jax is great. - AJ Lee was the forerunner of the women's revolution, and made the biggest single-handed impact of any woman in WWE history. - Ronda Rousey should not be a heel, and should not ever dominate the women's division. - Baron Corbin is good. - Roman Reigns is great and decent on the mic. - Alexa Bliss is good, but should not be the face of the women's division. - WrestleMania 33 was one of the best. - Undertaker should have retired years ago.
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Post by Brad on Mar 27, 2018 15:18:33 GMT -5
I've seen these threads before and their typically pretty fun, figured I'd start up another one. Here's mine: [li]Bret Hart was never any good in the ring he just was in the right place at the right time. (Could fill that gap between Hulk Hogan and The Rock) [/li] [/ul][/quote] You have got to be kidding me? His character work can be debated, but I don't see how anyone can say he was never any good in the ring.
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Post by Danger10 on Mar 27, 2018 21:20:50 GMT -5
Reigns as the face of the company makes sense.
Never been a fan of the Hardys.
Big Show isn't appreciated enough. We will miss him now that he's most likely done. Also, he should've had a way better win loss record. I don't know his exact record but for a giant he should've only lost a handful of matches.
Sean Waltman and Jerry Lynn put Cruiserweights and smaller guys on the map. Both deserve to be in the HOF for that alone.
I'm pretty sure this isn't unpopular opinion but I'll say it anyways: Andy Kaufman should've been the 1st celebrity in the HOF.
Triple H is one of the greates heels and performers of all time.
John Cena is bland and extremely boring. Nobody ends up better off after working with him. At least not these days.
AJ Lee is the greatest female wrestler of all time.
Lita is way overrated.
I liked LOD 2000
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Post by Rated [R] NinJa on Mar 27, 2018 21:28:51 GMT -5
I've seen these threads before and their typically pretty fun, figured I'd start up another one. Here's mine: Bret Hart was never any good in the ring he just was in the right place at the right time. (Could fill that gap between Hulk Hogan and The Rock) You have got to be kidding me? His character work can be debated, but I don't see how anyone can say he was never any good in the ring. Bret’s in-ring work?
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Post by Sizzle on Mar 27, 2018 21:47:30 GMT -5
I like Baron Corbin.
Rusev is popular because of Rusev Day’s meme status.
I want to see Ronda Rousey do well in WWE.
I don’t like Ricochet.
The Young Bucks are good but immensely overrated.
I think Brock as champ has increased the worth of the Universal title.
Dean Ambrose was the best product of the shield.
Elias is amazing.
The New Day should not win any singles title and defend it between all three of them.
Jason Jordan was on track to becoming a star. I hope he can rebound from the injury and get his momentum going again.
Alexa Bliss is overrated beyond belief. Her Elimination chamber promo was typical “ha I got you guys I’m not a baby face” bs and it was super lame. She’s okay in the ring and her promos are better than most of the women’s roster but she is far from being as good as people say she is.
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Post by Nivro™ on Mar 27, 2018 22:12:31 GMT -5
-The Dudley Boyz are HIGHLY over rated. Good team but not a Top 10 all time team.
-Sting moving to WWF in the late 80s would have caused Warrior to retire (more of a "what if" opinion)
- 2000/2001 WCW was greater then 2017/2018 WWE
-Jannetty was 10 times the in ring worker then Michaels was
-Most Indy wrestling is boring & just weakly planned spots.
-On that note, Indy wrestling "died" when guys like Bryan, Punk, Joe, Styles etc moved into "mainstream" wrestling
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Post by TeamKennedy on Mar 27, 2018 22:48:33 GMT -5
New Japan sucks, bland and predictable as any episode of Raw or SDL.Nakamura is overrated and I have yet to see this “charisma” everyone says he has. NXT has sucked since Sami Zayn left. Bray Wyatt is the most boring wrestler to ever win the WWE Championship. I’ve disliked him since day one and never saw anything interesting about him. Big Evil was the best Undertaker. Jinder Mahal was great as WWE Champion. His character is entertaining and he’s believable. As far as the roids thing goes, anyone who knows anything about bodybuilding and PEDs will tell you the large majority of that roster is juiced up on something, regardless of what WWE or the wrestlers tell you about the policy. Asuka is boring in the ring and is the absolute definition of cringeworthy on the mic. One of the most overrated performers of the 21st century. I don't know if these are unpopular, but they aren't common: 1) RKO is a stupid NAME for a finisher. However, I can't think of anything that isn't corny. 2) Comparisons between the RKO and Diamond Cutter are stupid. RKO is a jumping ace crusher. Diamond Cutter is a standing Ace Crusher. Two different moves. Not in the "That's like saying you a doorman is the same as a Bouncer" candy commercial way. But in theEnd of Days differs from a Flatliner or Sister Abigail move. 3) Stacy Keibler's moveset should have included a Diamond Cutter as a finisher. Call it hte Keibler Cookie Cutter and be done. More importantly, why during the Alliance when Debra was making horrible cookies, did WWE writers not think to have Keibler make cookies? 4) Natalya is related to Bret true, but her father is Jim Neidhart. She should stop the best there is line. 5) Speaking of that though, why is it that women wrestlers of famous legends can get over by relying on their lineage but men wrestlers can't? Randy Orton didn't get over by portraying his father's character. Same goes with Ted Dibiase Jr., David Flair, Sim Snuka, Scott Putski, and others. Yet, they create a new character, and they get over. Meanwhile, Charlotte portrays her father minus the womanizing and she's over. Same goes for Natalya. 6) People only think NJPW is amazing because it's cool to like things that are technically underground. If NJPW was televised in the States, it'd be heavily criticized.7) I don't get the appeal of Kenny Omega. 8) I don't get the appeal of Austin Aries and yet I'm a fan of his. 9) WWE needs to replace the image it uses of Bobby Roode to promote a match. It's a weird toothy smile. 10) Even if Jinder had gone through the mid card before ascending to the WWE title, he still would have been hated. I sometimes think the only reason NJPW has gotten as popular as it is is solely due to the fact that it is something new and it's not American. People riding that underground hype train all day long!
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Post by Artie Kendall on Mar 27, 2018 23:04:27 GMT -5
- Bret Hart doesn't get nearly as much heat as he should for how over-protected the WWF was of him and he was of himself (With the exception of Mania XII, after going into singles Bret Hart never lost a clean match to a finisher, he was always "caught"). I really like Bret Hart though.
- The Rock is a terrible wrestler and can't cut a good promo. Catchphrases are not promos.
- Wrestlemania X-7 is not the greatest Mania.
- Diesel Vs Bret Hart from Survivor Series is a 5 star match.
- Sting was not a huge draw for WCW. Most NWA fans thought he was to much like the cartoon world of WWF. He was popular with kids though.
- Animal was lucky he had Hawk as a tag team partner.
- The Big Show is the greatest big man to ever work in wrestling.
- William Regal is the greatest wrestler to never win the world title.
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Post by cableV on Mar 27, 2018 23:09:00 GMT -5
- Not even the Attitude Era would have escaped the criticism of today's entitled, crybaby, s**t-head fans.
- Throwing .99 Party City streamers at ROH shows is lame.
- Charlotte's in ring work is extremely overrated.
- If a wrestling promotion lets the fans stand right up against the ring during the matches, they are trying too hard to be cool.
- If watching the current WWE product makes you angry but you keep watching, blame yourself, not Vince.
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Post by TheSystem 1.5 on Mar 28, 2018 0:11:29 GMT -5
Rusev is popular because of Rusev Day’s meme status. I mean Rusev had a strong fan base and calls for him to be pushed before Rusev Day, that can't be argued.
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