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Post by PJ on Apr 11, 2018 15:15:28 GMT -5
The elite series budget is dictated by the profit margins on the elite series. It has nothing to do with the size of a stage, which is a separate product that would have its own budget if produced. How do you know if the elite series is running a profit with all the variations in price across different retailers? Thats alot of number crunching. Im very sceptical with this sort of stuff. Why Basics, Battle Packs, zombies, monsters as well as store exclusive elite and basic lines are all also elite scale and have nothing to do with each other’s budgets. So why would you think a stage (that isn’t even a product, but rather a show display piece at this point in time) would be part of the Elites budget?
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Post by Next Man’s Yeeter on Apr 11, 2018 16:11:11 GMT -5
The elite series budget is dictated by the profit margins on the elite series. It has nothing to do with the size of a stage, which is a separate product that would have its own budget if produced. How do you know if the elite series is running a profit with all the variations in price across different retailers? Because they wouldn’t make them anymore if it wasn’t. When a line fails to make sufficient profit, it gets cut. But whether the elite series is making a profit or not, drawing a weird link between an elite series budget and a stage makes no sense.
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Post by mrassbillygunn on Apr 11, 2018 17:54:33 GMT -5
How do you know if the elite series is running a profit with all the variations in price across different retailers? Because they wouldn’t make them anymore if it wasn’t. When a line fails to make sufficient profit, it gets cut. But whether the elite series is making a profit or not, drawing a weird link between an elite series budget and a stage makes no sense. It does make a bit of sense, when something has a budget it must mean they cant go over that budget. So where then do they suddenly find the money/budget for this stage? I might have been wrong in assuming theres a weird link but I think its a logical question to ask.
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Post by mrassbillygunn on Apr 11, 2018 18:05:30 GMT -5
How do you know if the elite series is running a profit with all the variations in price across different retailers? Thats alot of number crunching. Im very sceptical with this sort of stuff. Why Basics, Battle Packs, zombies, monsters as well as store exclusive elite and basic lines are all also elite scale and have nothing to do with each other’s budgets. So why would you think a stage (that isn’t even a product, but rather a show display piece at this point in time) would be part of the Elites budget? Could they not take the money/budget for this stage and re-invest it in better quality figures?
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Post by PJ on Apr 11, 2018 18:06:51 GMT -5
Because they wouldn’t make them anymore if it wasn’t. When a line fails to make sufficient profit, it gets cut. But whether the elite series is making a profit or not, drawing a weird link between an elite series budget and a stage makes no sense. It does make a bit of sense, when something has a budget it must mean they cant go over that budget. So where then do they suddenly find the money/budget for this stage? I might have been wrong in assuming theres a weird link but I think its a logical question to ask. The stage was made as a display piece for the Cons/shows. It isn’t a production piece. Bill said if there was enough interest in it then they would look into it. But as of now it is just like the Punk/Orton statue, Gobbley Gooker, Beth Phoenix doll & lifesize Undertaker statue they had back in 2010-2011 at Toy Fair/SDCC. They were made for the cons and not part of any lines budget. Could they not take the money/budget for this stage and re-invest it in better quality figures? They could but then you would be complaining about the figure cost. Because if they give the production budget a higher cost then they will have to charge the retailers more to recoup the more money being spent making the figures. Then the retailers would be charging more to make up for the higher cost to purchase the figures from Mattel.
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Post by winxclubflora on Apr 11, 2018 18:14:10 GMT -5
More Flair, more Bret Hart, more Ultimate Warrior, more Big Show, more HBK, more Nash, more Roman! Come on Mattel, stop being lazy!
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Post by deadfan on Apr 11, 2018 18:22:11 GMT -5
I love the DM Flair and am very glad to have gotten it for a good price. As others have said, I think an EG Flair should honestly be a no-brainer. Do we have confirmation of continuation of the line after Finn Balor (which I hope is from NXT: Takeover London)? I wish they would rerelease that 'Dragon' Steamboat DM as an EG. I'd also be down to see them rerelease all the old EG's with Elite articulation lol.
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Post by Papi Joker on Apr 11, 2018 20:14:40 GMT -5
absolutely!!! Flair's body is wrong anyways!!! so disappointing,,, and we need a WCW mid 90's head scan with that signature haircut.. Steamboat WM3 is indeed coming out (lets hope they don't botch it!!! keep the DM body just repaint it) but another NWA Flashbacl steamboat would also be cool! But seriously,,,, why would you want these when we are getting more TRIPLE H, ROMAN REIGNS and NEW DAY figs? ?
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Post by Codyverse: Tag Team Champion on Apr 11, 2018 20:18:00 GMT -5
Lack of elite sting and Goldberg is frustrating
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Post by Nivro™ on Apr 11, 2018 20:21:04 GMT -5
How do you know if the elite series is running a profit with all the variations in price across different retailers? Because they wouldn’t make them anymore if it wasn’t. When a line fails to make sufficient profit, it gets cut. But whether the elite series is making a profit or not, drawing a weird link between an elite series budget and a stage makes no sense. You still cant convince me that Zombies & Monsters are making money. Unless they're producing them for pennies. There's so much retooling & detail in them yet I NEVER see them clear the shelves until they're on clearance.
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Post by BCizzle on Apr 11, 2018 20:21:16 GMT -5
I’d buy more flairs,..but I hate Ricky steamboat. How can anybody hate Ricky Steamboat? I don't get it. He was like the ultimate babyface.
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Post by PJ on Apr 11, 2018 20:33:04 GMT -5
absolutely!!! Flair's body is wrong anyways!!! so disappointing,,, and we need a WCW mid 90's head scan with that signature haircut.. Steamboat WM3 is indeed coming out (lets hope they don't botch it!!! keep the DM body just repaint it) but another NWA Flashbacl steamboat would also be cool! But seriously,,,, why would you want these when we are getting more TRIPLE H, ROMAN REIGNS and NEW DAY figs? ? You lost me at Triple H, because I never pass on the Game. And I still want my Royal Rumble ‘00 hHh trunks Triple H. I’ve only been asking for it since Jakks CS. Jake gave us a WM17 version with gold hHh, but the fools printed them upside down so it reads yHy. Grrr!!!
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Post by deadfan on Apr 11, 2018 21:13:46 GMT -5
absolutely!!! Flair's body is wrong anyways!!! so disappointing,,, and we need a WCW mid 90's head scan with that signature haircut.. Steamboat WM3 is indeed coming out (lets hope they don't botch it!!! keep the DM body just repaint it) but another NWA Flashbacl steamboat would also be cool! But seriously,,,, why would you want these when we are getting more TRIPLE H, ROMAN REIGNS and NEW DAY figs? ? We need more Flashback HHH's, though. It's ridiculous that we don't have a '00-'01 Attitude Era Game, from when he was just hitting the top of the card. Should have been out a long time ago, along with an actual 1998 Undertaker. We've had four Ministry era 'Takers, but not a single '98 Hell in a Cell or WM XIV era Taker, except for one lackluster Basic. A WM XIV 'Taker with that nice coat would make a great EG, IMO. Now, granted, a headswapped Network Spotlight 'Taker is practically perfect, so...
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Post by Papi Joker on Apr 11, 2018 21:16:17 GMT -5
okay okay... i see why Triple H comes out in every series nearly.. cause peeps are buying them all!!! We got Network Spotlight Undertaker that is 98 PJ you can't have 2 faves mate... either Sting or Triple H... everybody knows that's the law!!! lol
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Post by Mongo Bears on Apr 11, 2018 22:35:55 GMT -5
I’d buy more flairs,..but I hate Ricky steamboat. How can anybody hate Ricky Steamboat? I don't get it. He was like the ultimate babyface. I hate hated Ricky steamboat so bad. I’m a heel guy (long story). The only baby faces I liked were hogan, savage and Hercules but I liked them all better as heels anyways. Even a guy like hogan, who I followed almost religiously, I routed against when he wrestled my heel favorites like dibiase, earthquake, Zeus, and mr perfect.
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Post by Next Man’s Yeeter on Apr 12, 2018 4:53:10 GMT -5
Because they wouldn’t make them anymore if it wasn’t. When a line fails to make sufficient profit, it gets cut. But whether the elite series is making a profit or not, drawing a weird link between an elite series budget and a stage makes no sense. It does make a bit of sense, when something has a budget it must mean they cant go over that budget. So where then do they suddenly find the money/budget for this stage? I might have been wrong in assuming theres a weird link but I think its a logical question to ask. You’re confusing a business with a child being given pocket money. The budget does not mean the total amount of allowance that Mattel has been given by their daddy this week to spend on making toys. The budget for an elite series is what is allocated to spend on producing an elite series and retain the profit margins on that series. It has nothing to do with the budget for an entrance stage or a Barbie doll or a WWE zombie figure or a Hot Wheels car etc etc - those things all have their own budgets because they are separate items.
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Post by kingnothing ~ Hardwired... on Apr 12, 2018 5:57:01 GMT -5
Because they wouldn’t make them anymore if it wasn’t. When a line fails to make sufficient profit, it gets cut. But whether the elite series is making a profit or not, drawing a weird link between an elite series budget and a stage makes no sense. You still cant convince me that Zombies & Monsters are making money. Unless they're producing them for pennies. There's so much retooling & detail in them yet I NEVER see them clear the shelves until they're on clearance. I believe the zombies were a bit easier to make because of all the existing molds they already had. Tweaking a mold vs building a brand new one is much, much cheaper. Their sales around my area have been pretty good. And for mrassbillygunn, the zombies series came from the death of some other line that didn’t take off. Just like it appears monsters is the next series past mutants that took a while to move. Mattel looks at each brand and basically says “we have enough money to invest X dollars into you.” And the brands (WWE being one) dedicate some of that money into individual series that are strictly for those series. Elite, basic, battle packs, etc: all separate. And while we don’t see play sets every few months on the regular, you can be sure they have their own budget. Bill mentioned a possible set from last weekend could be made if their was enough interest. It sounds like those dollars are just in holding as they try to figure out what set to make next.
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Post by braaaaaaaapp on Apr 12, 2018 8:21:11 GMT -5
Chi Town Rumble Steamboat has been a big want for me since the Legends line was a thing. I think the upcoming Steamboat is just an Elite version of his Mania 3 attire. That’s fine but I’m good with the Basic. Hopefully we can get another one eventually. I would like more of a 90s WCW Flair but the new suited version with the glasses is pretty great. I’m sure we’ll continue to get him sporadically. I agree, I am happy with the WM3 basic as well and would prefer a different attire if they release another elite because I honestly don't think they will release too many more Steamboat figures. However, I understand there is huge demand for a WM3 elite. The lack of Flair elites is most likely due to the inability to include cloth robes, as others have mentioned. I second this thru and thru
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Post by deadfan on Apr 12, 2018 8:29:09 GMT -5
okay okay... i see why Triple H comes out in every series nearly.. cause peeps are buying them all!!! We got Network Spotlight Undertaker that is 98 PJ you can't have 2 faves mate... either Sting or Triple H... everybody knows that's the law!!! lol Technically Network Spotlight 'Taker is Corporate Ministry.
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Post by tylergfromthe513 on Apr 12, 2018 9:25:05 GMT -5
We need WCW Flair in a t-shirt with a bowl-cut. Back when he was cutting the best promos every Monday night. Granted he mostly wore suits I know hes come out in wrestling gear and newer 4 horsemen shirt. 1996 Flair, we need it.
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