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Post by marino13 on Apr 18, 2018 16:35:24 GMT -5
I wasn't upset about the duel branded shows at first. Because sometimes less is more. But you do have a valid thought here. Both shows benefited from the shake up and probably could have carried their own PPVs. Maybe WWE should have waited a few more months before changing anything.
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Post by johnnyaustin21 on Apr 18, 2018 17:31:04 GMT -5
I've always been in favor of co brand PPV's but they need to be kept at the stander 3 hour long rate(Which I assume WWE will be going 4 hours with the new co brand ones) and yes this will in fact leave off a ton of talent but to be thats a good thing.PPV matches should always be a really big deal and not just thrown together match ups or made at the last second just to get talent on.To have a PPV match up it should be a title match or a really personal grudge feud.As far as the talent being left off thats a positive on two fronts.First the talent that does get left off the PPV's should want to work harder to get onto those shows and seconds matches and feuds that would have usually be on the single brand PPV's now can be used to headline the weekly RAW's and Smackdown's and give those shows bigger match ups and something for the fans to tune in and see.
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Post by johnnyb on Apr 18, 2018 19:52:54 GMT -5
I prefer single-branded PPVs except for the big four and maybe MITB and Night of Champions. What is really tiresome is when EACH brand has a PPV every month. They should definitely be alternating so they can take the slow burn approach to building matches.
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Post by ryan93 on Apr 18, 2018 20:37:10 GMT -5
No it was a terrible idea. People are still getting left off of PPVs that go three hours. So let's try to get everybody on 4 hours of PPV. You couldn't even get the main stars on in 7 hour PPV without having 2 huge battle royals. I feel bad for the Women and Tag Team along with the NXT call-ups. Right now you have 4 good feuds in the Women's division. The tag team division is getting better, but with only 2 matches on the card for the championships you aren't going to see guys like Sanity, The Revival, The New Day, The Bar, The Usos, and others get left off when they aren't in the title picture. It's just so bad when the rosters are so deep that they bail on it. When now brand split PPVs have the ability to be huge. Smackdown has in my opinion the better matches to offer and they will be cut. Raw is so cluttered they couldn't even get the new stars on TV. If Raw ever drops to 2 hours again which is possible if they move. They would be guys who will get lost and forgotten. It's sad that they have this problem because they don't use their time properly and screw up the only good thing. It suffered because they didn't feel like Smackdown PPVs were living up to their standards when they were pretty good. They just didn't use good booking and continued to cram the same matches month in and month out that you have on TV 5 times before their 3rd PPV encounter. I'm not bashing Jinder Mahal, but he should have lost the belt to Nakamura who could have feuded with Zayn/Owens and then went into a program with AJ Styles at WM where he wins the Rumble and turns heel. You had the Club come to Styles after the shakeup and they rule Smackdown. That's must see TV and they would have used Mahal to get Nakamura over as the top babyface. You have Daniel Bryan in the mix now too. Smackdown has a good product compared to the cluttered Raw, but because it's the A show they will get more matches and the main events. I would rather see Styles fight in a main event and not have Roman Reigns anywhere near the card. Reigns will go on a main event PPV streak like he's Cena or Hogan and it's not good for business. There have been so many careers in the WWE who were cut short and had no direction because they had meaningless feuds that never made PPVs or even Kickoff Shows. Now they just increased those meaningless feuds which means people going why do we care about when Tye Dillinger comes on because you know he never makes PPV or Mojo Rawley. Guys who could be something, but they get left off Smackdown PPVs will never see the PPV ring along with other midcarders who they just don't have time for. I don't mean have monthly battle royals because that's pointless.
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Post by LK3 on Apr 18, 2018 20:57:36 GMT -5
I thought the same thing after seeing what SDL lose/gained in this shake-up. I was like, damn I wish brand exclusive PPV's were still a thing.
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Post by cordless2016 on Apr 18, 2018 21:53:45 GMT -5
AJ Bryan Nak Samoa Joe Rusev and English Orton Jeff Hardy The Miz Almas Shelton Big Cass Tye Dillinger The New Day Usos The Bar The Bludgeon Brothers The Club Sanity Charlotte Asuka Becky Naomi Carmella Illconics
...and does anyone really expect them to book all this talent correctly with every PPV being dual branded? I swear every single time the WWE looks like they’ve corrected something, or are onto something interesting, they always offset it with another stupid decision.
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Post by BSR on Apr 18, 2018 21:54:03 GMT -5
They have a massive roster.
They should fire people like Mahal.
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Post by Bandalero on Apr 18, 2018 22:11:39 GMT -5
They have a massive roster. They should fire people like Mahal. That’s such a narrow-sighted viewpoint. Say what you will about his ring skills but he brings an international demographic to the product. He’s an established heel act that can now slide into main event situations so precious Rusev doesn’t always have to job for the face. You’ve got a company player who looks like a million bucks even if his wrestling is worth less in you opinion. So that’s the guy you would choose to fire instead of roster wastes like Primo Colon or Mike Kanelis?
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Post by BSR on Apr 18, 2018 22:16:47 GMT -5
They have a massive roster. They should fire people like Mahal. That’s such a narrow-sighted viewpoint. Say what you will about his ring skills but he brings an international demographic to the product. He’s an established heel act that can now slide into main event situations so precious Rusev doesn’t always have to job for the face. You’ve got a company player who looks like a million bucks even if his wrestling is worth less in you opinion. So that’s the guy you would choose to fire instead of roster wastes like Primo Colon or Mike Kanelis? Id fire them both as well.
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Post by cordless2016 on Apr 18, 2018 22:39:13 GMT -5
That’s such a narrow-sighted viewpoint. Say what you will about his ring skills but he brings an international demographic to the product. He’s an established heel act that can now slide into main event situations so precious Rusev doesn’t always have to job for the face. You’ve got a company player who looks like a million bucks even if his wrestling is worth less in you opinion. So that’s the guy you would choose to fire instead of roster wastes like Primo Colon or Mike Kanelis? Id fire them both as well. Let’s add Big A** to that list as well.
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Post by Liv Is Life on Apr 19, 2018 0:20:42 GMT -5
SmackDown would've really benefited by still having solo PPV shows after the shake up last night, their roster is STACKED! I completely understand why the 3 non-Title matches on the main card took place on the “Grandest Stage Of Them All”, but the tag team matches involving the McMahon Commissioners should have just main evented the go-home episodes of Raw and Smackdown respectively. I’m sure those in attendance at the Raw go-home show would have enjoyed a 20 minute mix tag team match between WWE COO Triple H and Raw Commissioner, Stephanie McMahon vs. Raw General Manager, Kurt Angle and “Rowdy” Ronda Rousey. I’m sure those in attendance at the Smackdown go-home show would have enjoyed a 15 minute tag team match between Smackdown Commissioner, Shane McMahon and Smackdown General Manager, Daniel Bryan vs. Kevin Owens and Sami Zayn. I know your gimmick is title belts and stuff but to say Ronda Rousey's in-ring debut and Daniel Bryan's return to in-ring action after 3 years should've happened on RAW and SmackDown is absurd. Not to mention NXT TakeOver's MOTN (potential MOTY) Gargano vs. Ciampa wouldn't of happened by your logic and those two and Ronda all stole the show at their respective events. In wrestling there are feuds BIGGER than title pictures and they deserve to be on PPVs and even headline them IMO. Thank you for basically saying what I was going to. To even incline that Rousey/Bryan didn’t deserve those spots at Wrestlemania is absurd to say the least.
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Post by LK3 on Apr 19, 2018 0:27:04 GMT -5
That’s such a narrow-sighted viewpoint. Say what you will about his ring skills but he brings an international demographic to the product. He’s an established heel act that can now slide into main event situations so precious Rusev doesn’t always have to job for the face. You’ve got a company player who looks like a million bucks even if his wrestling is worth less in you opinion. So that’s the guy you would choose to fire instead of roster wastes like Primo Colon or Mike Kanelis? Id fire them both as well. Fire Jinder and Rusev? Sign me up lol.
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Post by cripplercrossface on Apr 19, 2018 1:04:04 GMT -5
The WWE is very counterproductive, and it's showing. It won't be long until we see roster cuts.
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Post by Rated [R] NinJa on Apr 19, 2018 3:39:00 GMT -5
They have a massive roster. They should fire people like Mahal.
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Post by theicwguy on Apr 19, 2018 4:56:21 GMT -5
I feel like WWE signs guys just so other companies can't. The roster is huge now, no way they can feature all of them. They’ll just keep making new brands with 6 different championship titles on each until they have a 3 hour live show every day of the week. To be honest, I think that would be awesome!
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Post by bigshab421 on Apr 19, 2018 8:13:20 GMT -5
I just would love to hear the things that go through Vince's brain when he makes dumbass moves like this.
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Post by 👑🇵🇭⭐️ on Apr 19, 2018 10:43:16 GMT -5
To all of you who think dual branded PPVs are good or that WWE is currently in a good spot, please let me know your counter-arguments or rebuttals to some of the questions I have below: - 2017 had 16 PPVs, 2016 had 15 PPVs - Do you feel that with Raw on Monday at three hours, Smackdown on Tuesday at two hours each week, its good to have multiple PPVs in a month vs. once a month? - Do you feel that there is no such thing as fatigue and that you want as much WWE programming as possible regardless of the quality? Do you feel quantity is better than quality? - Do you feel that every talent needs to be featured on a PPV and its OK for people to be rushed into a match with someone just to fill a spot on the card? - Do you feel the roster is fine how it is in terms of the amount of talent? Do you feel they have too many or too little personalities on the rosters? - Do you feel OK with the fact that they combine singles wrestlers into forced tag teams, or trio of women into mini-stables just to give them something to do? Do you feel this is a good thing, or would you rather they had less talent and worked more organically to build their talent rather than piggybacking off of others? - Do you feel OK that each show has to have a mini-ecosystem where they have to have their own women's division, tag team division, etc. rather than being able to have programs with those that organically feel right? - Do you feel OK that WWE currently has seven singles championships and two tag team championships? Do you think there should be more or less? - Do you feel WWE uses the titles as participation awards and they hold little value because there are so many and they are moved around often given the amount of talent and frequency to keep it fresh given all their programming? - 2017 had 16 PPVs, 2016 had 15 PPVs - Do you feel that with Raw on Monday at three hours, Smackdown on Tuesday at two hours each week, its good to have multiple PPVs in a month vs. once a month? - Do you feel that there is no such thing as fatigue and that you want as much WWE programming as possible regardless of the quality? Do you feel quantity is better than quality? - Do you feel that every talent needs to be featured on a PPV and its OK for people to be rushed into a match with someone just to fill a spot on the card? - Do you feel the roster is fine how it is in terms of the amount of talent? Do you feel they have too many or too little personalities on the rosters? - I think Raw and Smackdown should be both only 2 hours long and there should only be one 3 hour pay per view a month, with the exception of the Big Four getting 4 hours. - There is such a thing as fatigue and there is enough WWE programming and quality should never be disregarded. Quality is always better than quantity. - I'm on the side of only Champions and their respective challengers should be the only SuperStars featured on pay per views. It is absolutely not okay for talent to be rushed into a match just to fill spots on the card. Any high profile match that doesn’t involve the Championship Title Belts should be used to main event the weekly episodic television shows. Give back to the fans who watch week in and week out, by giving them pay per view quality matches. - Although the roster is “fine” in terms of the amount of talent, they don’t have enough personalities / characters. Take the Absolution / Riott Squad trade. As of right now, they are basically the same Stable. Now on the flip side. - Do you feel OK with the fact that they combine singles wrestlers into forced tag teams, or trio of women into mini-stables just to give them something to do? Do you feel this is a good thing, or would you rather they had less talent and worked more organically to build their talent rather than piggybacking off of others? - Do you feel OK that each show has to have a mini-ecosystem where they have to have their own women's division, tag team division, etc. rather than being able to have programs with those that organically feel right? - Do you feel OK that WWE currently has seven singles championships and two tag team championships? Do you think there should be more or less? - Do you feel WWE uses the titles as participation awards and they hold little value because there are so many and they are moved around often given the amount of talent and frequency to keep it fresh given all their programming? - I’m okay with combining singles SuperStars. Stables have always been my second favorite aspect of Professional Sports Wrestling Entertainment. If done correctly, it could help a main eventer, a mid-carder, and a tag team. The Four Horsemen, the New World Order, D-Generation X, Evolution, and the Main Event Mafia are great examples of “just giving them something to do”, and making it work. There’s nothing wrong with piggybacking if they are all elevated. - Raw and Smackdown are supposed to be two separate shows. I’m okay with each show having their own divisions. Until the split ends, they’re better off having their own set of Championship Titles. - I’m Championship Title Belt SMark. Even though most of the current designs aren’t exactly my taste, I’m all about having more “gold and leather”, with the hopes of better designs in the future. - Technically, yes, with the number of Championship Titles, the lower tiered Belts are like participation awards. You’re not going to hold the WWE Universal / World Championship Title Belts in higher regard as the WWE Cruiserweight / United Kingdom Championship Title Belts. That’s just the way it is. Let’s just say I disagree to agree with half of what you’re asking, if you agree to disagree with half of what I’m saying.
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Post by rich2018 on Apr 19, 2018 12:24:50 GMT -5
They've gone against everything they said when the brand split came back in. They blur the lines way too much, even with something as trivial as Corey commentating on both shows. The further apart the two brands are the more shocking it would be when the lines are crossed.
Also, like somebody else pointed out, is RAW (Roman) going to dominate the main event slot every month? I like Roman but I hope not.
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Post by k5 on Apr 19, 2018 13:13:30 GMT -5
i feel as if nxt is a brand of it’s own, but raw and smack down are the same ‘universe’ and I just don’t think you can have hours upon hours of any kind of content.
the wwe has tried to create different wrestling brands so that they fill any void their potential competition could - but they need to actually pull the trigger and segregate accordingly. smack down should be it’s complete own entity - and that most definetly means a name change, let alone it’s completely own unique direction.
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