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Post by Jean-Ralphio on May 24, 2007 15:34:18 GMT -5
No arguing here, just debating.
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2007 15:49:03 GMT -5
Brian you forget the AL East is a very tough division, its not the NL Central where 5 games can be made up in a week I don't think the AL East is tough this season. Toronto was eliminated from contention as soon as BJ Ryan and Roy Halladay went down. Tampa Bay has no pitching, and Baltimore is always a pushover. Its a two team division again with Toronto's injury woes. Just because Toronto doesn't have BJ Ryan, does not mean their season is over. Halladay is set to be back next week. Burnett and Marcum have been coming up solid lately. Jeremy Accardo has simply been remarkable since BJ's injury. 4/4 in saves. And his ERA is 0.00 in 20 something innings pitched. I really don't see how you can say this.
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Post by Jean-Ralphio on May 24, 2007 15:58:50 GMT -5
Yah I really can see whats his names point, the Blue Jays arent dead yet but their rotation is really week, and their lineup is not fantastic. They were gonna have trouble going after the Sox/Yankees with the BJ Ryan anyways.
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Post by comebackkid on May 24, 2007 16:05:20 GMT -5
You guys need Pat Hentgen back
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Post by bjd on May 24, 2007 16:18:56 GMT -5
The Jays have been stricken by the injury bug worse than anyone... if they can rebound from it, more power to them. Halladay is always injury prone. Burnett is going to go down sooner or later. Chacin is injured right now... thats 3/5 of a pretty solid rotation missing time. Not to mention a solid hitter in Reed Johnson, a top closer in BJ Ryan. Troy Glaus is always injured...
If the Yankees miss the post-season I will be disappointed, but will I really care? Christ no. I've seen this team make it to 6, and win 4 world series titles in my lifetime. How many fans of other teams can say that? Do I want them to win every year- sure. Do I get upset or angry if they don't? No. Because I have actually been enjoying the off-season in recent years more than the actual season. If they miss the post-season, Steinbrenner is going to awaken from his slumber, go apeshit, fire everyone, sign ridiculous contracts, and hilarity will ensue.
I'm more of a fan of the sport nowadays. I don't get caught up in team championships... they don't mean anything to me. I went to the tickertape parade in 1996, and really... the amount of stupidity was too overwhelming for me. People who blindly support a team, or a logo without knowing anything about the history of the game, let alone the organization they are supporting.
Its fun either way. If the Yankees win- "TEH EVUL EMPOREEE!!!!1111" and if they lose "OMG KANT WIN WIF 200000 BILLION DOWRAH PAYROLE!!!1111"
Its an awesome situation.
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Post by nyk9327 on May 24, 2007 17:36:12 GMT -5
Josh Beckett is going to come back and be dominant, as will Matsuzaka. I just dont see a collapse happening, now if Beckett sucks and goes on the DL then i will say were in trouble. The Sox have the pitching, I mean our #1 pitching prospect out-pitched Clemens last night, we have Lester who 2 years ago was the 2nd best pitching prospect in the majors behind Liriano waiting in the wings, and Gabbard who is gonna be a 4-5th in the majors outpitching Tim Hudson. Pitching wins and the Red Sox as of now have the better supply of arms You sound overly biased. I understand your points but you take them too personally. Matsuzaka WILL dominate? The Sox can fall apart any day now. All it takes is that bullpen coming back down to earth. As for Clemens, I don't even really care for analyzing the guy at this point but since I am, it's the minor leagues and he's concentrating at just getting his stuff back. Speculate on that all you want, I could care less until he's on the mound in the MLB. He's gonna be more hype than he is substance anyway. The Sox batters not delivering isn't really the force here, it's the bullpen and starting pitching. That stuff is not destined to keep this pace up. It's not even June and the Yankees did what they had to do last weekend and won the series. Matsui is starting to hit, Cano is mildly showing some flair to his bat and Abreu could come back around. My whole point is, biased or not, I still think at the end of it all, even if it comes down to the Wild Card slot, the Yankees when healthy could take the Red Sox in the playoffs. I think you know that as well. The Yankees are highly underachieving and the Red Sox have had a dominate bullpen and just look at the game we lost last weekend. We were getting to Okajima and Papelbon. If it wasn't for Torre pinch hitting Melky (damn) and showing bunt twice with Damon, who is to say Jeter sees those outside balls that were called strikes. So essentially The Red Sox are the best team in baseball with a bullpen that was highly overachieving based on their track record and a Yankee team that has had 6 starting pitchers go down with injuries. We won't see Curt Schilling like that again? I've heard that before. We've gotten to him twice this year. We got to Beckett when he did start against us (Beckett is still nasty without a blister though), and we've gotten to Matsuzaka twice. It's only June. Ain't nothin over til it's over.
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Post by Jean-Ralphio on May 24, 2007 18:28:17 GMT -5
The Red Sox have the better rotation, a very good bullpen and a lineup that can match the Yankees. Why in the world would I "belive the Yankees could tank the Red Sox in the playoffs"
I'd be a terrible fan and a terrible baseball watcher if you honestly can say that right now especially when the Yankees are going to have to overcome the biggest defecit in the Joe Torre era.
Don't call the Red Sox a worse team because the Yankees screwed up in putting together their team.
And yes I firmly believe Matsuzaka will dominate for the rest of the year, after getting used to the strike zone and hitters, his last 2 starts have been unbelievable, and again, the Yankees had their top 3 starters going and we had our bottom 3 and you guys only picked up a game.
Still a long way to go, but to make assumptions that I believe the Yankees can take the Red Sox in the playoffs is just insane. When they take over the division, then I might concede that.
All Yankee fans say "Its only May nothings done yet"
But if the Red Sox win last night, people concede the season and Lorenzo says he wants to murder Jeter with a spork. Thats the truth, 1 game has made the Red Sox the worse team over night.
That is just ridiculous.
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Post by James Hardy on May 24, 2007 20:42:35 GMT -5
I don't really appreciate Thug's sig. We we're in the NLCS in 1992 damn it.
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Post by nyk9327 on May 24, 2007 21:03:50 GMT -5
The Red Sox have the better rotation, a very good bullpen and a lineup that can match the Yankees. Why in the world would I "belive the Yankees could tank the Red Sox in the playoffs" I'd be a terrible fan and a terrible baseball watcher if you honestly can say that right now especially when the Yankees are going to have to overcome the biggest defecit in the Joe Torre era. Don't call the Red Sox a worse team because the Yankees screwed up in putting together their team. And yes I firmly believe Matsuzaka will dominate for the rest of the year, after getting used to the strike zone and hitters, his last 2 starts have been unbelievable, and again, the Yankees had their top 3 starters going and we had our bottom 3 and you guys only picked up a game. Still a long way to go, but to make assumptions that I believe the Yankees can take the Red Sox in the playoffs is just insane. When they take over the division, then I might concede that. All Yankee fans say "Its only May nothings done yet" But if the Red Sox win last night, people concede the season and Lorenzo says he wants to murder Jeter with a spork. Thats the truth, 1 game has made the Red Sox the worse team over night. That is just ridiculous. I said the yankees can TAKE the Red Sox in the playoffs, not tank but you got my point. I never called the Red Sox a worse team, don't put words in my mouth man. I said they are overachieving. The Yankees screwed up in putting their team together? Right, they planned on all these injuries, you got me. You should know about it only being May... I mean that's the story of a Red Sox fan's life concerning the division right? I seem to remember the days (or years) when the Yankees led the division and you believed the Sox could take the Yankees in the playoffs while not leading the division. The Yankees are injured and have had terrible luck.. Once again my statement was when the Yankees were at full health they COULD... COULD... not CAN.... once again, don't put words in my mouth to benefit your debate. And yes, it's only May.... and yes, in the games the Yankees have had success against the Sox this year we've shown we can hit Matsuzaka twice, Schilling twice, Beckett, Wakefield and get to Okajima and Papelbon. Sox are a damn good team, but anybody who thinks this beat up, slumping and unlucky Yankee team is dead and the Sox have no competition is just flat out desperate after years of being the whipping boy. I like those chances in the playoffs, if our paths cross. Welcome back Ralpho
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Post by ThugSuperstar on May 24, 2007 21:07:07 GMT -5
The Yankees are obviously a better team than they've shown so far. Once they start playing like it, who knows what'll happen. My only concern is by then, it might be too late and the deficit may be too large to overcome.
I also don't believe in Matsuzaka yet, either. Despite all the dick sucking ESPN gives him, I don't think he's as great as he's made out to be. He's looked brilliant in his last few starts, but he was subpar at best both times he faced the Yankees. The Yankees have beaten up on every Red Sox pitcher they've faced so far this season except for Tavarez, and the only reason they don't have the record to show for it is because our starting pitching was terrible earlier in the season when we had guys like Chase Wright on the mound in Boston.
I'm not giving up on the team yet, nor am I willing to give the Red Sox a World Series trophy in May.
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Post by immortal on May 24, 2007 21:18:27 GMT -5
i don't get thug's sig either. i mean. uh. it hapened last week. or something.
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Post by Jean-Ralphio on May 24, 2007 21:21:00 GMT -5
The Yankees relied on Mussina, who was injury prone, Wang who has a horrible K/BB ratio, Andy Pettite who was awful last year, Carl Pavano and an unproven Japanese pitcher.
Now, that is the rotation they thought could win the division....when vaginas and overrated pitchers pitch, what happens? They get hurt or suck. Aside from Pettite, who has been a major surprise, what could go wrong has gone wrong because the rotation is not that good. There are not many Yankee fans who will disagree with me on this. This is why Clemens gets 28$ million.
No one is giving the Red Sox the World Series trophy, some of you are sooooo extreme with stuff. When the Yankees lose, the season is over. Calm down.
When I thought the Red Sox could overtake the Yankees the lead was a few games, it is almost 10 with half the games together already played (thank god). There is a bit of a difference.
9.5 and 3 games is a slight difference.
The Yankees have amazing success against Beckett this year, you are right. 6.2 innings/9 hits/4ER/7K but he still won, Not to mention that is not exactly destroying him.
Matsuzaka still has been good enough to win both his Yankee starts, and he is obviously turning a corner only 5 ER in the last 24 innings.
Curt Schillings just fat and pitching himself out of a contract, hes been big before so whatever, let him suck, he'll be servicable in the playoffs if need be.
It doenst really matter, the Yankees lose 2/3 the next series and people will be proclaiming them eliminated, but if they win 2/3 from the Red Sox then the Red Sox are stumbling and are in sight.
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Post by T R W on May 24, 2007 21:23:06 GMT -5
Welcome to the Hall of Fame John Smoltz.
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Post by Jean-Ralphio on May 24, 2007 21:25:52 GMT -5
Yah I 100% agree and was going to say that TRW, this cements him in the HOF, same with Glavine, Pedro, RJ, Clemens, Maddux. The other pitchers are iffy
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Post by T R W on May 24, 2007 21:27:27 GMT -5
Smoltz will get 300.
Oh, and Bob Wickman is a great human being.
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Post by stephenzx3 on May 24, 2007 21:38:30 GMT -5
Smoltz will get 300. Oh, and Bob Wickman is a great human being. I have been a Braves fan all of my life, and John Smoltz has been my favorite player for as long as I can remember, he is my idol. That being said... there is a VERY little to no chance he will get to 300. For that too happen, assuming he can get 10 more wins this year(which I think he will do easily, he is Cy young material) he would need 90 more wins, and the only way to get those would be to pitch until he is 45, AND AVERAGE like 17-18 wins every year until then, which is highly unlikely. I don't see him making it until then. He's already said he thinks he MIGHT have a couple years left, there's no way he'll get to 300. 250 is a definite possibility, especially if he continues to pitch like a 25 year old. But 300 is almost mathematically impossible. Congrats to him, easily one of the best games I've ever seen from a personal standpoint. I should have been down there tonight, but oh well.
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Post by layzie on May 24, 2007 21:38:34 GMT -5
i hope bob wickman keels over and dies the next time he's at wendy's.
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Post by Jean-Ralphio on May 24, 2007 21:39:50 GMT -5
Wickman is at Wendy's now.
Obviously, TRW was kidding. Once Glavine gets 300, that is it...for a long time.
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Post by stephenzx3 on May 24, 2007 21:41:23 GMT -5
Wickman is our closer, and I like him. But I'm glad he's not our only good arm.
Gonzalez, Soriano, Yates, Villareal have all been studs this year. Our saving grace has been our bullpen. If we keep holding open auditions for the starters other than Smoltz-Hudson-James, we ain't gonna make it down the stretch. James needs to make adjustments as well, and quit tanking in 5 innings. It ain't cutting it.
I wish Kelly Johnson didn't have an error for every web gem he pulls off, either. But oh well. Renteria was spectacular tonight.
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Post by stephenzx3 on May 24, 2007 21:42:28 GMT -5
Smoltz will get 300. Oh, and Bob Wickman is a great human being. For some reason I didn't read the sarcasm from that statement. LOL, ignore my reply then.
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