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Post by moogie101 on May 23, 2007 11:24:16 GMT -5
Just saw this posted & in the current climate of all boxers with a match coming up calling out UFC fighters to get press it's good to see Bernard Hopkins whilst not having much respect for MMA technically at least gives MMA respect as to how he'd do against them.
This morning on Jim Rome's radio show The Jungle, Rome interviewed B-Hop about his fight coming up with Winkey Wright.
Hopkins was asked if he had any respect for MMA fighters and how he would do if he got in to the cage.
He first got off sounding like your ususal boxing elitist bunghole by saying (and im paraphrasing):
"Boxing is an art and takes skill, MMA is two guys rolling around elbowing eachother in the face, guys like Muhammed Ali and Sugar Ray Lenoard would say the same thing. I got respect for them cause their crazy, but guys in Phily fight like that on the streets all the time. Maybe im hating, but its just not on the same level as boxing"
Then Jim jumped in to ask him another question and B-Hop said "Hold on Jim, I didnt answer your question about how I would do against them!"
This is where I started felling sick cause i have always been a B-Hop fan, and i was mentally preparing myself for the BS he was going to spew.
B-Hop says (again paraphrasing): "THEY"D WHOOP MY ASS! ALL OF EM', THERE WORST GUY WOULD WHOOP MY ASS! Dont get me wrong, I would try, but i havent fought like that since prison and when I was a kid."
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Post by comebackkid on May 23, 2007 15:00:02 GMT -5
I agree with that, UFC is basically a sanctioned car crash that you can watch when any two guys fight in the street, while Boxing is a sport. Im not taking anything away from UFC but its more of a spectacle or Circus than Boxing is.
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Post by Kliquid on May 23, 2007 15:18:59 GMT -5
I agree with that, UFC is basically a sanctioned car crash that you can watch when any two guys fight in the street, while Boxing is a sport. Im not taking anything away from UFC but its more of a spectacle or Circus than Boxing is. Wait wait wait... It's more of a circus than boxing? Come on now. I don't think there's a single sport in the world that's more of a frickin' joke than boxing. They spent like 4 months building up the De La Hoya / Mayweather fight, Mayweather came out wearing a damn sombraro... You've got the Mike Tyson / Evander Holyfield fiasco, George Forman claiming he was "drugged" before his fight with Muhammad Ali, etc. None of that crap exists in MMA. You can't see the same type of action in a street fight as you can in a sanctioned MMA fight. First of all, the people who fights MMA professionally are trained to do so. They don't just go in there without any experience. The UFC used to have that, but all of those fighters got mercilessly beaten by people who actually trained. |
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Post by Sandy on May 23, 2007 23:27:46 GMT -5
I knew it would be B-Hop.
He is a real guy. He has been in street fights. And anyone who has been in street fights knows that it is a heck of a lot different than boxing.
And MMA is like smart-street fighting. They are intelligent guys who can just brawl.
Boxing is just so boring to me now. Seeing "Pretty boy" run around the ring like that pissed me off. It was like "JAB, JAB...RUN"..
You don't get that in UFC. You try to avoid contact in the UFC and you will be booed. I think that is what sparks my interest when it comes to MMA is the action. I know I will always get my moneys worth when purchasing a UFC PPV.
I can't say the same thing about boxing.
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Post by gregthebunny on May 24, 2007 4:47:31 GMT -5
I agree with that, UFC is basically a sanctioned car crash that you can watch when any two guys fight in the street, while Boxing is a sport. Im not taking anything away from UFC but its more of a spectacle or Circus than Boxing is. Bro, you normally won't hear me say this, but you need your block knocked off for that comment. |
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2007 12:44:11 GMT -5
I agree with that, UFC is basically a sanctioned car crash that you can watch when any two guys fight in the street, while Boxing is a sport. Im not taking anything away from UFC but its more of a spectacle or Circus than Boxing is. You're right, UFC is a spectacle. How is that bad? Just because the guys are in a cage, does not make it any less of a sport than boxing. These guys train for months just like boxers. To say that UFC fighters have no skill compared to boxers just shows that you have no respect for the effort these guys put in. A circus? Have you seen some of the boxers these days? Coming out in sunglasses and sombreros, blastly reggaeton is hardly any more respectable. |
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Post by comebackkid on May 25, 2007 2:36:13 GMT -5
It takes little patience to watch UFC which is why it has a huge fanbase imo, I still think boxing is more of a sport due to the thinking process of it. I still think its a fad that will die down, just like Wrestling in the late 90's, superstars losing to no names doesn't help them either and damages potential drawing matches..
And I didn't see the Hoya/Mayweather so I have no idea what antics went on...
I'm not not saying the MMA guys are pussies or not strong because they can kick any boxers ass...
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Post by Patrick Bateman (original) on May 25, 2007 2:59:50 GMT -5
It takes little patience to watch UFC which is why it has a huge fanbase imo, I still think boxing is more of a sport due to the thinking process of it. I still think its a fad that will die down, just like Wrestling in the late 90's, superstars losing to no names doesn't help them either and damages potential drawing matches.. And I didn't see the Hoya/Mayweather so I have no idea what antics went on... I'm not not saying the MMA guys are pussies or not strong because they can kick any boxers ass... Go watch and Randy Couture and Josh Koscheck fight if you wanna see art. Patience? Come on bro if you are gonna imput about pro fighters who train there ass off at least learn your crap man. The WBF knows they are getting rocked by MMA. And Dana white has told me he actually has a couple co brand fights coming up. |
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Post by comebackkid on May 25, 2007 3:07:46 GMT -5
I'm just gonna leave it at that because I don't wanna be bombarded by the 13 MMA fans that post here..
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Post by pimpU@night on May 25, 2007 12:14:52 GMT -5
If a boxer steps into a cage and fights under MMA rules..yes, he'll get his ass whooped; Have a MMA fighter step into a boxing ring and fight under boxing rules they'll get whooped as well. Neither is tougher than the other.
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Post by Stinger on May 28, 2007 0:17:47 GMT -5
If a boxer steps into a cage and fights under MMA rules..yes, he'll get his ass whooped; Have a MMA fighter step into a boxing ring and fight under boxing rules they'll get whooped as well. Neither is tougher than the other. I was about to say that, however, i don't think it would be that easy for a boxer to whoop an MMA fighter's ass cause they actually train in boxing and even some are boxers turn MMA fighets.. |
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Post by cjd15 on May 28, 2007 12:36:11 GMT -5
I think this is a Boxing fans way of trying to deny that MMA is slowly killing their sport...
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Post by tim on May 28, 2007 13:30:36 GMT -5
I think this is a Boxing fans way of trying to deny that MMA is slowly killing their sport... boxing has been on life support for about 15 years, the mixed martial arts boom is just putting salt on the wound bernard hopkins rules, though. he said he thinkgs oscar de la hoya wears frilly lavender women's underwear |
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Post by pimpU@night on May 28, 2007 15:48:51 GMT -5
If a boxer steps into a cage and fights under MMA rules..yes, he'll get his ass whooped; Have a MMA fighter step into a boxing ring and fight under boxing rules they'll get whooped as well. Neither is tougher than the other. I was about to say that, however, i don't think it would be that easy for a boxer to whoop an MMA fighter's ass cause they actually train in boxing and even some are boxers turn MMA fighets.. Look at how chuck got knocked out the other day. He left himself open and got knocked out. That's the same type of mistake an amateur boxer makes. While some MMA fighters may "train" in boxing, it's not their primary focus. |
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Post by kevx301 on May 29, 2007 7:08:57 GMT -5
I agree with that, UFC is basically a sanctioned car crash that you can watch when any two guys fight in the street, while Boxing is a sport. Im not taking anything away from UFC but its more of a spectacle or Circus than Boxing is. Wait wait wait... It's more of a circus than boxing? Come on now. I don't think there's a single sport in the world that's more of a frickin' joke than boxing. They spent like 4 months building up the De La Hoya / Mayweather fight, Mayweather came out wearing a damn sombraro... You've got the Mike Tyson / Evander Holyfield fiasco, George Forman claiming he was "drugged" before his fight with Muhammad Ali, etc. None of that crap exists in MMA. You can't see the same type of action in a street fight as you can in a sanctioned MMA fight. First of all, the people who fights MMA professionally are trained to do so. They don't just go in there without any experience. The UFC used to have that, but all of those fighters got mercilessly beaten by people who actually trained. - Yeah, because Shonie Carter, Hermes Franca and Rampage haven't worn ridiculous entrance attires before. Or Sakuraba, or half the guys in Japan for that matter. - Um, there's usually some controversy on every MMA show, whether it be someone claiming they didn't tap out, or something as extreme as a fight breaking out between two camps. - Boxing takes more training than MMA. It's the truth. I would do better in the Octagon right now with limited MMA training than I would in a boxing ring with no experience. Face it, because of the different ways I can go on the offensive in MMA, I could beat a top-level fighter if I'm lucky. You're not going to out-punch a top boxer. - |
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Post by Kliquid on May 29, 2007 10:28:52 GMT -5
- Yeah, because Shonie Carter, Hermes Franca and Rampage haven't worn ridiculous entrance attires before. Or Sakuraba, or half the guys in Japan for that matter. Yeah, they have... But this was a rather small 'additional' point to the main point I was trying to make. Um, there's usually some controversy on every MMA show, whether it be someone claiming they didn't tap out, or something as extreme as a fight breaking out between two camps. Oh, please! Do not put a guy saying he didn't tap out on the same level as George Foreman claiming that he was flat-out DRUGGED before a fight... Or Mike Tyson biting off Evander Holyfield's ear... Yeah, they're the same thing.  - Boxing takes more training than MMA. It's the truth. I would do better in the Octagon right now with limited MMA training than I would in a boxing ring with no experience. Face it, because of the different ways I can go on the offensive in MMA, I could beat a top-level fighter if I'm lucky. You're not going to out-punch a top boxer. You're not going to beat a world-class MMA fighter with limited MMA experience, even if you're "lucky." There's no way. To say so is completely ridiculous and you know it. |
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Post by Johnny Lawrence - Cobra Kai on May 29, 2007 12:39:22 GMT -5
The thing that bothers boxing fans the most -- and most of them refuse to admit it -- is that boxing, not MMA, is killing boxing. MMA is just a scapegoat. Boxing was declining long before UFC got big.
MMA should not care less about whether boxing lives or dies. Clearly, they can turn a profit with or without boxing's demise. It should not matter to them at all.
Likewise, boxing needs to stop acting as if MMA gaining fans is somehow an attack on boxing. If the boxing industry spent half the effort bettering their sport that they spend whining about MMA in the media, then boxing would be in stellar shape again.
Even if MMA continues beating boxing in PPV buyrates (DLH-PBF being the extreme exception, but no other boxing shows get the benefit of that magnitude of hype either), MMA will not cause boxing to die. Boxing has done a fine job shooting itself in the foot for years.
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Post by xtremefate on May 29, 2007 20:19:54 GMT -5
WOW.
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Post by nyk9327 on May 31, 2007 19:35:37 GMT -5
UFC, MMA etc is probably gonna get banned at some point in the next 10 years after somebody dies in the pit or suffers life altering injuries.
I mean, if people wanna pay to see it and those guys wanna get in that pit and do it.. nobody should be able to stop them, this is America... nobody is forced to watch.
But just it being around isn't good for kids you know.
I enjoy both Boxing and MMA equally, they are not really compareable in my opinion.
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Post by Johnny Lawrence - Cobra Kai on May 31, 2007 23:50:54 GMT -5
UFC, MMA etc is probably gonna get banned at some point in the next 10 years after somebody dies in the pit or suffers life altering injuries. Boxing has had plenty of deaths and life-altering injuries... why hasn't that been banned yet? I actually think your prediction could come true, just because people seem to have an incredible double-standard when it comes to boxing violence vs. MMA violence. I just don't appreciate that boxing's body count is overlooked while critics wait anxiously for MMA's first tragedy so they can campaign for it to be banned. An MMA death is only a matter of time, but it's still safer than boxing. People die in all contact sports. Kids drop dead at high school football practice. Intense physical activity is not for everyone, and full-contact sports are DEFINITELY not for everyone. Every once in a while -- in just about EVERY sport -- a tragedy reminds us of this fact. But you're right... if organized MMA has even one death -- or even a serious injury -- people will act as if this never happens anywhere but in MMA. |
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