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Post by ThugSuperstar on Jun 8, 2007 16:25:12 GMT -5
I would still take Mark Buherle as my 3rd starter. I don't see him as an ace, but a 4.00 ERA in the American League is very respectable. I'd love if it the Yankees made a run at him to be completely honest. He's a very economical pitcher who throws strikes and works quickly. Buherle would be a fine addition to any team's rotation, as long as they aren't relying on him to be their ace.
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Post by ET had AIDS on Jun 8, 2007 16:26:20 GMT -5
I would still take Mark Buherle as my 3rd starter. I don't see him as an ace, but a 4.00 ERA in the American League is very respectable. I'd love if it the Yankees made a run at him to be completely honest. He's a very economical pitcher who throws strikes and works quickly. Buherle would be a fine addition to any team's rotation, as long as they aren't relying on him to be their ace. liar matsuzaka is better gyro balls and bitchez
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Post by ThugSuperstar on Jun 8, 2007 16:32:17 GMT -5
I would still take Mark Buherle as my 3rd starter. I don't see him as an ace, but a 4.00 ERA in the American League is very respectable. I'd love if it the Yankees made a run at him to be completely honest. He's a very economical pitcher who throws strikes and works quickly. Buherle would be a fine addition to any team's rotation, as long as they aren't relying on him to be their ace. liar matsuzaka is better gyro balls and bitchez lol kei igawa is soooooo much better than dice-gay
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2007 16:35:36 GMT -5
liar matsuzaka is better gyro balls and bitchez lol kei igawa is soooooo much better than dice-gay tomo ohka > any asian pitcher NAWT
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Post by ET had AIDS on Jun 8, 2007 16:35:45 GMT -5
Seriously though, I still don't understand why exactly Mark Buehrle is so terrible.
He's been completely injury free his entire career.
He's thrown nearly 1500 innings.
Has thrown over 200 innings 6 years in a row.
He has 99 wins and he's only 28.
Career ERA under 4.00 in the AL.
WHIP is somewhere under 1.30 for his career.
Works fast, great control...
Has had one statistically bad season, and still won 12 games, pitched 200 innings, etc. =============================================================
I don't understand the bad rap this guy gets. He's just a lesser Barry Zito if anything. People need to realize there's not many complete aces left out there... Johan Santanas/Jake Peavys/Roy Halladays, and with Halladay and Peavy who knows if they're going to go down to injury.
Atleast with Buehrle you know what you're going to get for the most part. Some bumps in the road, but over the course of a full season, an era somewhere between 3.50-4.00, a whip around 1.25 or so, and when he's getting good run support, about 15 or 16 wins. I'll take that any day of the week... still don't understand why he's so terrible.
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Post by ThugSuperstar on Jun 8, 2007 16:37:42 GMT -5
^ That's exactly what I'm saying. Unless a team is counting on Buherle to be the ace of their pitching staff, I don't see how you could be dissapointed in the production you get this year from him. Judging him by wins/ losses this year is crazy since the White Sox haven't had an offense and their bullpen consists of mostly guys who should be pitching in their Triple-A affiliate.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2007 16:38:34 GMT -5
halladay/buehrle. 1:58 minutes to complete a game? yeah. that was siq
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Post by ET had AIDS on Jun 8, 2007 16:39:28 GMT -5
He's always been one of the few White Sox I've been able to stand... sure, he's a douchebag... but that doesn't make him a shitty player.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2007 16:43:03 GMT -5
time difference. waiting till 10 ing 30 to watch a game that the jays are going to lose.
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Post by Nash on Jun 8, 2007 16:49:11 GMT -5
Thats one ing game, jesus stop blowing this guy. Look at all the guys who have thrown No Hitters, they havent been ing superstars. Guy has 2 wins and an ERA at 4. WOW ING AMAZING RIGHT THERE. Not to mention your team is 4 games below .500 and 2nd to last place in the division. I knew you would pull that ing card, here look en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Major_League_Baseball_no-hitters How many of them are superstars and in the Hall of Fame. Get off his jock, hes overrated. Nashy. Yeah, the White Sox are in the toughest division in baseball. The Red Sox imo, are in the easiest division in the AL. The main reason you guys are so far ahead is the the Yankees are losing. Everyone makes it seem like the bosox are some amazing team. They are just winning. The Yankees are just losing. So if anyone is talking about over rated, it shouldn't be you. oh and nick ftw.
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Post by ThugSuperstar on Jun 8, 2007 16:54:34 GMT -5
I think the AL West is the easiest division in the AL. You have the Angels and A's are the only competitive teams in that division. The Mariners and Rangers are both pushovers.
The AL East is getting interesting with the Yankees possibly finally building momentum. Even with Boston 10.5 ahead, the Blue Jays always play tough...the O's are not a threat, but the D'Rays can be pesky at times.
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Post by comebackkid on Jun 8, 2007 16:55:52 GMT -5
POW! right in the kisser
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Post by Jean-Ralphio on Jun 8, 2007 16:55:56 GMT -5
Nick, instead of making ing shots at me, how about you PM me and talk to me like an adult instead of these little digs at me?
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Post by Jean-Ralphio on Jun 8, 2007 17:01:53 GMT -5
Yah the AL West is def a strong division, the Mariners are in 2nd place, 4 games better than the White Sox.
So if the White Sox are in the toughest division, what excuse is that? 2nd to last in the AL Central, 4th worst in the AL.
You use the most cliche reasons why the White Sox, just deal with it .The White Sox have a problem with their pitching.
People view Bueherle as an ace, like people bringing up his No Hitter, hes venturing to a 3-4th starter and eventually will get paid 15$ million dollars to put .500 numbers.
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Post by Nash on Jun 8, 2007 17:05:07 GMT -5
I think the AL West is the easiest division in the AL. You have the Angels and A's are the only competitive teams in that division. The Mariners and Rangers are both pushovers. The AL East is getting interesting with the Yankees possibly finally building momentum. Even with Boston 10.5 ahead, the Blue Jays always play tough...the O's are not a threat, but the D'Rays can be pesky at times. Yeah, but if the Mariners were in the east, they would be in second. Boston is really the only dominating team unless the Yankees start playing really well again, plus even though the Rays, O's and Jays are pesky at times, they still suck and are all below .500 unlike the Angels, A's, and Mariners. POW! right in the kisser Joe Crede. Now shut up. Yah the AL West is def a strong division, the Mariners are in 2nd place, 4 games better than the White Sox. So if the White Sox are in the toughest division, what excuse is that? 2nd to last in the AL Central, 4th worst in the AL. You use the most cliche reasons why the White Sox, just deal with it .The White Sox have a problem with their pitching. People view Bueherle as an ace, like people bringing up his No Hitter, hes venturing to a 3-4th starter and eventually will get paid 15$ million dollars to put .500 numbers. Like I said above, the West has three teams over .500. The only team over .500 in the East is Boston. So usually three is more than one. Plus the Angels are tied for the most wins in the league. Its a good excuse actually. If Boston was in the Central, I can guarantee that they wouldn't be in first place.
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Post by Jean-Ralphio on Jun 8, 2007 17:05:56 GMT -5
Red Sox have yet to play the Rays yet, so its not like they are beating up on scrubs.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2007 17:22:02 GMT -5
shut up ralpho. don't bring the rays up
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Post by bjd on Jun 8, 2007 17:26:41 GMT -5
Durability is underrated with starting pitchers. I'd rather have Zito or Buehrle for 33-35 starts a season than Beckett, or Halladay for 20-22.
C.C. Sabathia doesn't blow anyone away with his numbers, but that fat bastard takes the ball 30 times a year and gives you 190 innings.
Bottom line is, if you put 5 mark buehrle's in your rotation for a season, your team is probably winning 90 games....
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Post by Jimmy on Jun 8, 2007 17:28:29 GMT -5
STOP
HOMER TIME
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Post by Jean-Ralphio on Jun 8, 2007 17:31:10 GMT -5
When Buerherle is going to command 12-15$ million to give you ERA's in the 4.00's and nothing 'spectacular' I'd rather take my chances on the Halladays, the Beckett's.
With the SP market being so thin, he's going to get sooooo overpaid.
I mean look at the starters:
Schilling, Kenny Rogers, Freddy Garcia, Jason Jennings, Carlos Zambrano, Colon
That is a great lineup.....in 2000. If Zambrano wasnt pitching himself out of millions, I'd even say Bueherle would be the #1 pitcher on the market and that is SCARY
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