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Post by tim on Jun 10, 2007 9:54:54 GMT -5
if barry zito is an ace, then can we call livan hernandez an ace too?
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Post by michaelrichards on Jun 10, 2007 9:57:41 GMT -5
haha.
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Post by ThugSuperstar on Jun 10, 2007 10:00:44 GMT -5
Saying Wang is a "lucky pitcher" is intellectually- disabled. It's not like he had one good season...he's been this same type of pitcher his entire career. Unlike most Yankees fans, I don't see him as an ace, but to say he's a lucky pitcher is just crazy just because he doesn't strike guys out. When he carried a perfect game into the 8th inning, that just showed you how good he is and how sick his command is.
I still don't agree on Zito not being considered an ace, but whatever. I guess I'm alone on this one.
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Post by Jimmy on Jun 10, 2007 10:46:18 GMT -5
You know who's good? Jake Peavy. 1.97 era, 95 k's, and he's only given up 1 hr in 87 innings.
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Post by michaelrichards on Jun 10, 2007 10:53:57 GMT -5
damn, only 1 HR? thats pretty damn incredible.
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Post by Jean-Ralphio on Jun 10, 2007 11:02:59 GMT -5
One game does not dictate the type of pitcher you are, I am sorry. Bueherle threw one no hitter, its an amazing feet but hes been medicore since then, Wang took a perfect game to the 8th...ok great, hes amazing now. Its a great feet, it helps the team, might look great when/if they get to the Hall of Fame but to say 'He threw a No hitter, hes an ace' is silly.
I've been preaching Wang was overrated for awhile because of his lack of strikeouts, I wouldnt say hes lucky, but hes not great, hes just a very solid pitcher and what more can you ask for really.
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Post by Nash on Jun 10, 2007 11:38:32 GMT -5
One game does not dictate the type of pitcher you are, I am sorry. Bueherle threw one no hitter, its an amazing feet but hes been medicore since then, Wang took a perfect game to the 8th...ok great, hes amazing now. Its a great feet, it helps the team, might look great when/if they get to the Hall of Fame but to say 'He threw a No hitter, hes an ace' is silly. I've been preaching Wang was overrated for awhile because of his lack of strikeouts, I wouldnt say hes lucky, but hes not great, hes just a very solid pitcher and what more can you ask for really. Buehrle also threw a two hitter aswell. Even though he may not be an ace, he may be the ace of our staff.
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Post by taker1 on Jun 10, 2007 11:56:51 GMT -5
Saying Wang is a "lucky pitcher" is intellectually- disabled. It's not like he had one good season...he's been this same type of pitcher his entire career. Unlike most Yankees fans, I don't see him as an ace, but to say he's a lucky pitcher is just crazy just because he doesn't strike guys out. When he carried a perfect game into the 8th inning, that just showed you how good he is and how sick his command is. I still don't agree on Zito not being considered an ace, but whatever. I guess I'm alone on this one. How could Zito be an ace when he isn't even the best pitcher on the San Francisco staff. I mean..if he were on any of these teams, he wouldn't be the ace of the staff: Boston Tampa Bay Toronto Baltimore Minnesota Cleveland Detroit Oakland Los Angeles( AL) Seattle Philadelphia Florida Atlanta( assuming Hudson stays healthy) Houston St. Louis Pittsburgh( maybe) San Diego and of course his own team. ( No I'm not counting minor league pitchers). As I said, he's a great #2 but he's not really an ace anymore. I mean..I could name over 20 pitchers I'd rather have than Zito..
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Post by Nash on Jun 10, 2007 12:02:14 GMT -5
Mark makes his eighth attempt at win 100. If they can just win one, let it be today please god..
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Post by DWright on Jun 10, 2007 13:03:33 GMT -5
2006 Chien Ming Wang -
BABIP - .291 K/BB - 1.46 K/9 - 3.14 WHIP - 1.31 FIP - 3.96 RS - 153 runs scored
What this basically tells you -- Wang is good enough to stay in a game for a team that gives him great run support. He doesn't walk himself into trouble often, keeps the ball in the ball park, and allows his defense behind him to make the plays. Wang is a decent pitcher that gets VERY lucky, gets good run support (19 W), and finds a lot of bats.
And as said, 1 game doesn't mean anything. Bud Smith threw a no-hitter, while it's a great accomplishment, it doesn't make a career. (especially if you don't even follow through on it)
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Post by tim on Jun 10, 2007 13:41:34 GMT -5
Bud Smith threw a no-hitter, while it's a great accomplishment, it doesn't make a career. (especially if you don't even follow through on it) die scott rolen diiiiiiie
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Post by krush on Jun 10, 2007 13:48:44 GMT -5
Ralpho had me until he started talking about feet.
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Post by Jean-Ralphio on Jun 10, 2007 14:03:34 GMT -5
Hahaha I didnt even realize that. Feat. Thats better.
Anyways, I think Garland is the Ace of the White Sox, and a 2 hitter is fantastic, Curt Schilling has 3 1-hitters, whats that mean?
Nothing.
Hideo Nomo threw a no hitter, where is he?
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Post by tim on Jun 10, 2007 14:34:52 GMT -5
probably in the middle of his 40-minute windup
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Post by immortal on Jun 10, 2007 15:01:35 GMT -5
that a-rod is pretty good, if you ask me.
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Post by Jean-Ralphio on Jun 10, 2007 15:06:48 GMT -5
People raved about Matsuzaka 'only' beating the Royals his first start etc, well the Pirates arent much better. The Pirates pitching is filled with guys who should be selling shoes.
This is a good team to spring board a winning streak, but dont think you are gonna be facing 39 year old Japanese relievers nightly.
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Post by comebackkid on Jun 10, 2007 15:24:48 GMT -5
omg. atleast they made it exciting in the end and it was overall a good time. get the sigs ready asia. Oh wait until you see the sig/avatar i got for you pal!
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Post by immortal on Jun 10, 2007 15:29:20 GMT -5
31 hits so far in this mets/tigers game. jesus h.
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Post by Jean-Ralphio on Jun 10, 2007 15:30:55 GMT -5
Roy Halladay is officially a douche in my book. He is still hurt.
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Post by krush on Jun 10, 2007 16:22:26 GMT -5
Nomo actually threw two no-hitters. Dare I say, best athlete of all time?
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