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Post by nyk9327 on Jun 10, 2007 17:23:39 GMT -5
I wouldn't mind a Cubs collective clubhouse bloody carpet card.
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Post by comebackkid on Jun 10, 2007 17:26:05 GMT -5
Only if it comes with a piece of a $1,000 bill
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Post by nyk9327 on Jun 10, 2007 17:29:29 GMT -5
Na that's a rod's Upper Deck "shake your money maker" insert card
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Bubbles
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Post by Bubbles on Jun 10, 2007 17:53:16 GMT -5
i really enjoy the fact that the phillies can sweep the mets and then lose to the ing ROYALS 17 to 5. jesus h. i feel your pain brother. and i know we need bull pen help but that doesn't mean sign anything that has a somewhat functional arm *cough* mesa *cough.*
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Post by Jean-Ralphio on Jun 10, 2007 17:58:03 GMT -5
God this Dice K guy sucks, what a lucky prick, 8 K's, the light must've been in their eyes when they were striking out.
Honestly, RJ has looked dominant. He was def tanking in NY.
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Post by comebackkid on Jun 10, 2007 18:01:30 GMT -5
Isn't that always the case?
_______ gets run out of NY and becomes awesome in ___________
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Post by ThugSuperstar on Jun 10, 2007 18:06:20 GMT -5
What a shame Dice-K can't "dominate" NL teams every time he starts.
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Post by Jean-Ralphio on Jun 10, 2007 18:07:09 GMT -5
Well Randy Johnson was old and brittle, so it was either. He just couldn't handle that city, a lot of people cant handle Boston or NY. I mean hes never going to win a World Series (again) in Zona but he knows that and is collecting his millions and chillin
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Post by Jean-Ralphio on Jun 10, 2007 18:08:01 GMT -5
Thug you take everything so personally, someone other than me brings up Wangs H/BB stats and you flip out. Or piss on the Pirates for.....being the Pirates.
Calm down man
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Post by nyk9327 on Jun 10, 2007 18:12:34 GMT -5
This crapis hilarious. I can't believe you said that seriously.
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Post by ET had AIDS on Jun 10, 2007 18:14:33 GMT -5
Saying Wang is a "lucky pitcher" is intellectually- disabled. It's not like he had one good season...he's been this same type of pitcher his entire career. Unlike most Yankees fans, I don't see him as an ace, but to say he's a lucky pitcher is just crazy just because he doesn't strike guys out. When he carried a perfect game into the 8th inning, that just showed you how good he is and how sick his command is. I still don't agree on Zito not being considered an ace, but whatever. I guess I'm alone on this one. How could Zito be an ace when he isn't even the best pitcher on the San Francisco staff. I mean..if he were on any of these teams, he wouldn't be the ace of the staff: Boston Tampa Bay Toronto Baltimore Minnesota Cleveland Detroit Oakland Los Angeles( AL) Seattle Philadelphia Florida Atlanta( assuming Hudson stays healthy) Houston St. Louis Pittsburgh( maybe) San Diego I think that's pushing it a little... Tampa Bay -- Kazmir is injury prone, and has major surgery written all over him sometime in the future... Shields has looked great, but who knows if he's going to hold up. Toronto - Halladay is among the best when healthy, but when is he going to put in a full season again? screw aj burnett Baltimore - Bedard's real solid, but again.. already 28, Zito's age, and he's just now finding success. And has never thrown 200 innings. Not ready to say he's an ace here... and I don't know why anyone would. Philadelphia - might as well assume Hamels stays healthy too.. he's just as if not more injury prone than Hudson St. Louis - carpenter's dead... Zito would be their ace right now, and probably for the imminent future. Pittsburgh - Ian Snell's good, but he'll come back down to earth... Zach Duke has regressed so much it's not even funny.
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Post by nyk9327 on Jun 10, 2007 18:14:48 GMT -5
Yea Thug is right, Dice K is doing that to a crappy NL team that is overachieving in my personal reality so it doesn't count. It was a glorified AAA team because I want to taint his start. I mean after prediction domination and then his next starts after that were flops I don't sound crazy flaunting his line against this team after talking about Wang or saying the Yankees are on a springboard streak that won't last.
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Post by ThugSuperstar on Jun 10, 2007 18:15:03 GMT -5
2006 Chien Ming Wang - BABIP - .291 K/BB - 1.46 K/9 - 3.14 WHIP - 1.31 FIP - 3.96 RS - 153 runs scored What this basically tells you -- Wang is good enough to stay in a game for a team that gives him great run support. He doesn't walk himself into trouble often, keeps the ball in the ball park, and allows his defense behind him to make the plays. Wang is a decent pitcher that gets VERY lucky, gets good run support (19 W), and finds a lot of bats. And as said, 1 game doesn't mean anything. Bud Smith threw a no-hitter, while it's a great accomplishment, it doesn't make a career. (especially if you don't even follow through on it) I don't understand how he gets "lucky" by being the most economical pitcher in baseball, and basically allowing an average of 3 - 4 runs a game. Matt DeSalvo is lucky. Chase Wright is lucky. I even think Tyler Clippard is lucky. But Wang? I don't know how you can say that...he's had 2 great seasons and pitches to contact. Just because he doesn't strike out 10 guys a start doesn't mean he's lucky. Wang isn't just some scrub who has beaten teams with mediocre offense, this is his third season in the majors, and he's looked as good if not better than he has last year. The K/ BB ratio for Wang shouldn't even be a basis on how you're judging him since he's not a strikeout pitcher. Wang is an ideal # 2 or 3 starter. Not an ace, in my book, but the results speak for themselves. He didn't win 19 games by scores of 10-9 or 6-5.
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Post by nyk9327 on Jun 10, 2007 18:16:25 GMT -5
Man this hypocritical as I want to and post jabs and discredit people in my own "no ur stupid for disagreeing" reality stuff is fun.
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Post by ET had AIDS on Jun 10, 2007 18:16:52 GMT -5
err i mean yankees! sox! GOOOOO CLEMENS. GOOOOO DICE K.
cowabunga
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Post by michaelrichards on Jun 10, 2007 18:18:07 GMT -5
i cant keep up w/ this thread anymore....
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Post by nyk9327 on Jun 10, 2007 18:18:25 GMT -5
Thug just realize if he's on the Yankees they will analyze and scrutinize and spend as much time as possible acting like he's a fluke or pathetic for being human and you can't win because they don't have the balls to admit they are biased.
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Post by nyk9327 on Jun 10, 2007 18:20:32 GMT -5
I mean face it, if Wang or Clemens are on Boston or any other team right now they are prob in sigs or saints.
For every bad start a Boston pitcher has, it is forgotten with a good start and doesn't exist. Dominance these days is being inconsistent I guess if you aren't on the Yankees.
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Post by comebackkid on Jun 10, 2007 18:21:24 GMT -5
err i mean yankees! sox! GOOOOO CLEMENS. GOOOOO DICE K. cowabunga NL Central Chat in here starts after 2 a.m.
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Post by ThugSuperstar on Jun 10, 2007 18:22:20 GMT -5
I just think so much of this Red Sox/ Yankees crap in this thread is just brought on by itself by stupid comments that set off everything.
A perfect example - Clemens beats the Pirates, but it's an AAA team and he got lucky. Dice-K dominates the D'Backs, and he's going to win the Cy Young.
Not to mention the fact that every time any Yankee fan posts anything about the team playing well, everyone replies with "omgz 4 game win streak, yah teh yankz must b goin 2 the world series."
I don't care about it since I'm used to it going on every season, but it's the main reason no one new ever posts here.
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