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Post by T R W on Jun 14, 2007 10:05:28 GMT -5
Well, I would complain about it, if the all-star voting wasn't a farce anyway. Should Ortiz be allowed on the ballet as a 1B? No, definitely not, in my opinion. Especially since they are playing for home field advantage. However, as I said, the voting is a farce anyway, so they might as well vote in Minnie Minoso as starting pitcher, and Sal Fasano at shortstop.
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Post by Jean-Ralphio on Jun 14, 2007 10:14:44 GMT -5
It should be an exhibition and not count towards anything, its the All Star game.
No other sport takes it seriously, its meant for the fans, let the fans see every All Star that is and having the pitcher bat or having to make double switches is silly.
I agree with having a DH in baseball and I am being a total homer, because without the DH the Red Sox would not be what they are today, neither would the Indians, Yankees etc.
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Post by ThugSuperstar on Jun 14, 2007 11:17:03 GMT -5
Doesnt really matter what Lorenzo thinks, Ortiz is #1 in the voting and will be elected by the fans to start at the 'position he should be barred from playing' Too bad. Do not compare Posada to Ortiz, Posada is having a contract year. Ask Javy Lopez how those work How is Posada having a contract year? It isn't like he's normally a .250 hitter batting .350 this year. Posada is always a pretty solid bet to bat .280 - .290 with 20 homeruns, 90 RBIs. He's going to finish the season with around the same numbers...maybe he'll hit closer to 30 homeruns and over 100 RBIs, but getting this type of production from Posada isn't out of the ordinary. The only drastic difference is the high average. The biggest difference for Posada this year is that he's been 100% healthy so far this season. Last year he had the torn hamstring tendon he had to deal with all year long.
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Post by Jean-Ralphio on Jun 14, 2007 11:30:33 GMT -5
This is why you and I fight. I say one thing, that isnt even insulting, and you have to argue with me.
Here is why he is having a contract year:
His highest average year was 2000 when he hit .287, which is 60 pts lower than his average this year. His career average is .274 which is 80 pts lower than this year.
A 36 year old catcher does not just turn it on and start hitting .350. You are right his power numbers have always been in the 20's for HR and 80-90 RBI's. But his Slugging, OBP and OPS are all career highs.
He will not repeat it next year, its a contract year. Its his last big contract of his career. He played 143 games last year and he usually averages 140's.
So stop arguing, its a contract year, everyone has one, Mike Lowell is having one now.
Curt Schilling and Andruw Jones do not know they are in one.
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Post by ThugSuperstar on Jun 14, 2007 11:35:02 GMT -5
If this was August and he was still hitting .350, you may have a point. But it's only June and his average could still drop to the low .300's/ upper .200's by the time the season is over.
Posada has always been one of the best offensive catchers in the league. Other than his average, I don't see how you can say that anything he's doing is so out of the ordinary for him. Adrian Beltre had a contract year...I personally see Posada finishing with .300, 25 - 30 HRs, 100 RBIs.
People can have a debate without it resulting in insults and fighting.
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Post by Jean-Ralphio on Jun 14, 2007 11:37:30 GMT -5
If he drops below .300 then I will take it back, but as of now hes 100% in a contract year push.
Adrian Beltre is still young though, Id rather take a chance on a 25 year old coming off a monster year as opposed to a 36 year old catcher.
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Post by T R W on Jun 14, 2007 11:38:01 GMT -5
It should be an exhibition and not count towards anything, its the All Star game. No other sport takes it seriously, its meant for the fans, let the fans see every All Star that is and having the pitcher bat or having to make double switches is silly. I agree with having a DH in baseball and I am being a total homer, because without the DH the Red Sox would not be what they are today, neither would the Indians, Yankees etc. At least you admit the bias. I am all for offense. But, at the same time, I prefer the strategy that having the pitcher in the lineup adds. Not to mention the diellma of Ortiz' bat versus his fat ass in the field. And to me, having a guy bat, who doesn't have to play in the field is just stupid. In the all-star game, I can see it as a way to avoid injuries to pitchers, and to get more players involved in the game. But it should only be used in that capacity. And yes, the All-Star game shouldn't mean anything. So we had a tie...big deal.
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Post by Jean-Ralphio on Jun 14, 2007 11:43:41 GMT -5
If they totally got rid of the DH, thats cool, but it would turn a team like Boston into rebuilding their whole idea of a team. They were talking about it last night on the radio and the head guy Glen Ordway flat out said "I want the DH because of David Ortiz and if they did not have the DH our team would be weaker". There were others who wanted the old fashion game and thats fine, but for a team who has arguably one of the best hitters in baseball at that spot, I want a DH. Also, if it wasnt for Ortiz there, Manny would be a DH too.
Oh well, wont happen anytime soon anyways.
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Post by ThugSuperstar on Jun 14, 2007 11:43:45 GMT -5
Major League Baseball has taken all the fun out of the All-Star game. Rather than just giving some of the younger guys a chance to rub elbows with the veterans and take it all in, mangers now have to actually worry and strategize about winning a game that should be meaningless.
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Post by Jean-Ralphio on Jun 14, 2007 11:45:17 GMT -5
Theres just no reason for letting pitchers bat and taking an All Star out of the starting lineup as in the DH's case. Just so they can play "NL RULES".
Oh well. Ortiz is going anyways, and he said he doesnt care if he plays, just as long as hes there having fun. The Anti-Manny, but for Youkilis, it'd be great to see him there, even if he does not play
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Post by T R W on Jun 14, 2007 11:45:34 GMT -5
I hear ya Ralpho. One way or the other, they need to make both leagues the same. It just doesn't make sense.
The only thing that makes less sense is college football and their "post-season."
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Post by Jean-Ralphio on Jun 14, 2007 11:48:13 GMT -5
I agree, arguably the greatest sports event aside from the World Series and Super Bowl is the Tournament of 64 that the NCAA Basketball does, so why not do a system like that with football?
Just does not make sense to me. Playoffs in general are fun, not just some bowl games against 2 teams that have never faced each other on a neutral field named after some vaginal product.
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Post by ThugSuperstar on Jun 14, 2007 11:49:13 GMT -5
The only thing that makes less sense is college football and their "post-season." That and having a professional hockey team in Atlanta.
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Post by Jean-Ralphio on Jun 14, 2007 11:53:54 GMT -5
Hockey should be contracted and sent up to Canada, its sad that some days I consider Soccer more of a sport than Hockey.
Even though I'd love the Bruins to be worthwhile again
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Post by duan on Jun 14, 2007 12:27:38 GMT -5
The only thing that makes less sense is college football and their "post-season." That and having a professional hockey team in Atlanta. Well done.
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Post by Kliff and the Brewers on Jun 14, 2007 12:52:45 GMT -5
Capuano went on the DL. Carlos Villaneuva got the late call and went 5IP 1 ER very solid. Brewers win Brewers called up their #1 prospect left, (braun was #1) Yovani Gallardo to join the bullpen. The rookie could get the start possibly this weekend. Gallardo, 21, is 8-3 with a 2.90 ERA in 13 starts for Triple-A Nashville, and he leads all of Minor League Baseball with 110 strikeouts. I might be going to mondays Brewers game vs the Giants. Could be a stong chance I see either Gallardo start or Ben Sheets. Crew up 1-0 in the 3rd on the Tigers. If we get a win today that would be great. Winning the series 2-1 after the nono on monday
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Post by T R W on Jun 14, 2007 12:54:20 GMT -5
The only thing that makes less sense is college football and their "post-season." That and having a professional hockey team in Atlanta. Well, that might have been meant as a jab, but I agree. Hockey has no place here, or in Florida. But at least in Florida, you have a lot of northern retirees. I am not interested in hockey because there is rarely ice here, I can't see it on tv, and I can't relate to it. There is nowhere to play it here, and noone cares, except the few people who are transplants from the north, and the rednecks who just like to root for a bunch of pollacks.
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Post by Jean-Ralphio on Jun 14, 2007 13:05:06 GMT -5
The Brewers are planning on calling up Yovani Gallardo as a replacement for Chris Capuano.
1. Phillip Hughes 2. Yovani Gallardo 3. Homer Bailey 4. Clay Bucholtz
Top 4 pitching prospects in the majors...3 of them are up or have been up
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Post by Kliff and the Brewers on Jun 14, 2007 13:13:03 GMT -5
He could come in as reliefe saturday MAYBE, sunday for sure he'll be ready. or get the start on monday. Last year we called up Zach Jackson who was a top pitching prospect, I was at his MLB debute and he was good. Hes in AA ball right now, doing okay.
wasnt Tim Linsecum in the minors at the opener? Or did the Giants throw him into the rotation right away?
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Post by Kliff and the Brewers on Jun 14, 2007 13:16:14 GMT -5
holy crapwe could possibly get Tim Lincecum vs Yovani Gallardo monday
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