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Post by JokerFC on Jun 5, 2018 6:33:27 GMT -5
Speaks volumes for Vinces "creative genius" when he isn't being challenged......his 2 most successful periods were when he was up against it if you will. when he isn't? anything goes......Bastion Booger, Mantaur, Xanta Klaus, Katie Vick & others too horrible to even mention. Although Fake Diesel & Razor came about under a time of pressure. Anyone who hasn't heard Cornettes thoughts on this angle when it was brought up at the creative meeting need to hunt that down. Hilarious. You left out the horrible feud between he and Stephanie that was poorly acted and intelligence insulting. In 2003? Oh Christ yeah....BRUTAL. Vince & Steps egos ran away with them here altogether...not as bad as the Invasion but still. In general the McMahons didn't do well in feuds outside of the 2 obvious ones Austin vs McMahon Rock vs McMahon/Helmsley regime. Austin & Rocky carried both those along with HHH & others obviously. But getting back to the Macs in feuds.....Orton vs the Macs in 2009 was dreadful too. |
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Post by keegandimitrijevic01 on Jun 5, 2018 12:27:42 GMT -5
Am I the only one who thought that they could've done Triple H vs Ric Flair for the World Heavyweight Championship before Flair retired?
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Post by TKO Propagandist on Jun 5, 2018 13:49:00 GMT -5
Am I the only one who thought that they could've done Triple H vs Ric Flair for the World Heavyweight Championship before Flair retired? Flair should have been given the belt, if even for a week like Shawn in 02 woulda been cool to see and great for the story. |
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Post by keegandimitrijevic01 on Jun 5, 2018 14:15:00 GMT -5
Am I the only one who thought that they could've done Triple H vs Ric Flair for the World Heavyweight Championship before Flair retired? Flair should have been given the belt, if even for a week like Shawn in 02 woulda been cool to see and great for the story. Flair deserved one last World title. Giving him the Big Gold belt would've been great for his last reign. Even a WWE title reign would've been nice too |
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Post by mikey1974 on Jun 8, 2018 17:32:10 GMT -5
Only thing I think would've been worse was the Vince-Stephanie incest angle, which thankfully never happened. Speaks volumes for Vinces "creative genius" when he isn't being challenged......his 2 most successful periods were when he was up against it if you will. when he isn't? anything goes......Bastion Booger, Mantaur, Xanta Klaus, Katie Vick & others too horrible to even mention. Although Fake Diesel & Razor came about under a time of pressure. Anyone who hasn't heard Cornettes thoughts on this angle when it was brought up at the creative meeting need to hunt that down. Hilarious. As much crap as The Kliq got, and some of it rightfully so, they were the only ones at the time who had the balls to march right around Vince's circle of yes men and tell him right to his face his ideas and the show sucked back in 95-97. |
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Post by JokerFC on Jun 9, 2018 7:41:08 GMT -5
Speaks volumes for Vinces "creative genius" when he isn't being challenged......his 2 most successful periods were when he was up against it if you will. when he isn't? anything goes......Bastion Booger, Mantaur, Xanta Klaus, Katie Vick & others too horrible to even mention. Although Fake Diesel & Razor came about under a time of pressure. Anyone who hasn't heard Cornettes thoughts on this angle when it was brought up at the creative meeting need to hunt that down. Hilarious. As much crap as The Kliq got, and some of it rightfully so, they were the only ones at the time who had the balls to march right around Vince's circle of yes men and tell him right to his face his ideas and the show sucked back in 95-97. fair point man.....as destructive as they were at times? they did nix some bullcraptoo. |
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Post by TheEvilDoink1987 on Jun 10, 2018 12:51:14 GMT -5
As much crap as The Kliq got, and some of it rightfully so, they were the only ones at the time who had the balls to march right around Vince's circle of yes men and tell him right to his face his ideas and the show sucked back in 95-97. fair point man.....as destructive as they were at times? they did nix some bullcrap too. I'll always love the story where the Kliq went up to Vince about who should stay and who should get cut. Even though they didn't get along with guys like Bam Bam and Candido, the Kliq all agreed they were talented and had a place in the company. Only one person got a unanimous vote for the dunzo list. "The pirate's gotta go." 🤣 |
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Post by JokerFC on Jun 11, 2018 17:42:44 GMT -5
fair point man.....as destructive as they were at times? they did nix some bullcrap too. I'll always love the story where the Kliq went up to Vince about who should stay and who should get cut. Even though they didn't get along with guys like Bam Bam and Candido, the Kliq all agreed they were talented and had a place in the company. Only one person got a unanimous vote for the dunzo list. "The pirate's gotta go." 🤣 Turning Bam Bam face in 1995 was a terrible move tho....and they had a big hand in that. He had NOBODY to work with. As a heel? he should have been positioned to be a rival for Diesel. He would have worked great with him. Bam Bam vs Razor, Bret, Nash or HBK would have been GREAT programmes. |
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Post by mikey1974 on Jun 12, 2018 17:53:04 GMT -5
I'll always love the story where the Kliq went up to Vince about who should stay and who should get cut. Even though they didn't get along with guys like Bam Bam and Candido, the Kliq all agreed they were talented and had a place in the company. Only one person got a unanimous vote for the dunzo list. "The pirate's gotta go." 🤣 Turning Bam Bam face in 1995 was a terrible move tho....and they had a big hand in that. He had NOBODY to work with. As a heel? he should have been positioned to be a rival for Diesel. He would have worked great with him. Bam Bam vs Razor, Bret, Nash or HBK would have been GREAT programmes. I can see where they maybe felt written into a corner after his loss to LT, with DiBiase being pissed. surely he couldn't stay in the Corporation. However, they could of used that to make Bigelow meaner, nastier, He needs to prove himself again, so he goes overboard. Beating an opponent isnt enough. He feels the need to hurt them,try to cripple them. Could've had him totally destroy the kid, which puts him in Razor's orbit. He wins the feud with The Bad Guy, then enters into a feud with HBK. No decisive winner. then moves on to Bret and Diesel. |
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Post by JokerFC on Jun 13, 2018 6:19:02 GMT -5
Turning Bam Bam face in 1995 was a terrible move tho....and they had a big hand in that. He had NOBODY to work with. As a heel? he should have been positioned to be a rival for Diesel. He would have worked great with him. Bam Bam vs Razor, Bret, Nash or HBK would have been GREAT programmes. I can see where they maybe felt written into a corner after his loss to LT, with DiBiase being pissed. surely he couldn't stay in the Corporation. However, they could of used that to make Bigelow meaner, nastier, He needs to prove himself again, so he goes overboard. Beating an opponent isnt enough. He feels the need to hurt them,try to cripple them. Could've had him totally destroy the kid, which puts him in Razor's orbit. He wins the feud with The Bad Guy, then enters into a feud with HBK. No decisive winner. then moves on to Bret and Diesel. Proving himself by vowing to win KOTR 1995. Annihilates Kid in the qualifiers then ends up getting Razor in the final(smashes Luger en route too) which is SUPER heated because of their beef. You could even have booked a pull apart brawl backstage between the 2 n route to the final & Razor overcoming hard beatdowns driven to confront Bam Bam. Bam Bam goes over CLEAN in a excellent brawl that RR still looks great in & books his place against Diesel @ Summerslam. Razor gets his revenge on an episode of Raw in the ME. MDC interfere on Bam Bams behalf after and Diesel comes out to even the odds. Initiates Diesel & Bam Bams beef & Keeps RR looking sharp for his programme with HBK. Could even return to this programme.... Vince had the talent to make 1995 a hell of lot more entertaining than it was folks. Hell these events could even be used as the catalyst for Kids turn. |
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Post by nibs92 on Jun 13, 2018 15:01:21 GMT -5
I can see where they maybe felt written into a corner after his loss to LT, with DiBiase being pissed. surely he couldn't stay in the Corporation. However, they could of used that to make Bigelow meaner, nastier, He needs to prove himself again, so he goes overboard. Beating an opponent isnt enough. He feels the need to hurt them,try to cripple them. Could've had him totally destroy the kid, which puts him in Razor's orbit. He wins the feud with The Bad Guy, then enters into a feud with HBK. No decisive winner. then moves on to Bret and Diesel. Proving himself by vowing to win KOTR 1995. Annihilates Kid in the qualifiers then ends up getting Razor in the final(smashes Luger en route too) which is SUPER heated because of their beef. You could even have booked a pull apart brawl backstage between the 2 n route to the final & Razor overcoming hard beatdowns driven to confront Bam Bam. Bam Bam goes over CLEAN in a excellent brawl that RR still looks great in & books his place against Diesel @ Summerslam. Razor gets his revenge on an episode of Raw in the ME. MDC interfere on Bam Bams behalf after and Diesel comes out to even the odds. Initiates Diesel & Bam Bams beef & Keeps RR looking sharp for his programme with HBK. Could even return to this programme.... Vince had the talent to make 1995 a hell of lot more entertaining than it was folks. Hell these events could even be used as the catalyst for Kids turn. Man, Joker, I wish you’d have been on the booking committee then (and now!). Cracking ideas. How Bam Bam never made a major impact in the WWF is beyond me. The guy had money written all over him. |
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Post by The Brain on Jun 13, 2018 15:20:34 GMT -5
Proving himself by vowing to win KOTR 1995. Annihilates Kid in the qualifiers then ends up getting Razor in the final(smashes Luger en route too) which is SUPER heated because of their beef. You could even have booked a pull apart brawl backstage between the 2 n route to the final & Razor overcoming hard beatdowns driven to confront Bam Bam. Bam Bam goes over CLEAN in a excellent brawl that RR still looks great in & books his place against Diesel @ Summerslam. Razor gets his revenge on an episode of Raw in the ME. MDC interfere on Bam Bams behalf after and Diesel comes out to even the odds. Initiates Diesel & Bam Bams beef & Keeps RR looking sharp for his programme with HBK. Could even return to this programme.... Vince had the talent to make 1995 a hell of lot more entertaining than it was folks. Hell these events could even be used as the catalyst for Kids turn. Man, Joker, I wish you’d have been on the booking committee then (and now!). Cracking ideas. How Bam Bam never made a major impact in the WWF is beyond me. The guy had money written all over him. Bigelow vs Diesel for the belt should've been the main event of SSlam 95. |
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Post by JokerFC on Jun 14, 2018 19:06:29 GMT -5
Proving himself by vowing to win KOTR 1995. Annihilates Kid in the qualifiers then ends up getting Razor in the final(smashes Luger en route too) which is SUPER heated because of their beef. You could even have booked a pull apart brawl backstage between the 2 n route to the final & Razor overcoming hard beatdowns driven to confront Bam Bam. Bam Bam goes over CLEAN in a excellent brawl that RR still looks great in & books his place against Diesel @ Summerslam. Razor gets his revenge on an episode of Raw in the ME. MDC interfere on Bam Bams behalf after and Diesel comes out to even the odds. Initiates Diesel & Bam Bams beef & Keeps RR looking sharp for his programme with HBK. Could even return to this programme.... Vince had the talent to make 1995 a hell of lot more entertaining than it was folks. Hell these events could even be used as the catalyst for Kids turn. Man, Joker, I wish you’d have been on the booking committee then (and now!). Cracking ideas. How Bam Bam never made a major impact in the WWF is beyond me. The guy had money written all over him. Man, Joker, I wish you’d have been on the booking committee then (and now!). Cracking ideas. How Bam Bam never made a major impact in the WWF is beyond me. The guy had money written all over him. Bigelow vs Diesel for the belt should've been the main event of SSlam 95. Its unreal how poorly Bam Bam was used by Vince. On top of having a KILLER look? He absolutely could go with a wide variety of talents. He was genuinely versatile. |
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Post by nibs92 on Jun 15, 2018 6:03:47 GMT -5
Man, Joker, I wish you’d have been on the booking committee then (and now!). Cracking ideas. How Bam Bam never made a major impact in the WWF is beyond me. The guy had money written all over him. Bigelow vs Diesel for the belt should've been the main event of SSlam 95. Its unreal how poorly Bam Bam was used by Vince. On top of having a KILLER look? He absolutely could go with a wide variety of talents. He was genuinely versatile. The bit that truly baffles me is Vince is size obsessed, and had just come back it of a lengthy (and costly) steroid trial. Bam Bam could go in the ring and as you say had a killer look. On the back of losing to LT, it wouldn’t have been too hard to write a credible storyline for him. An angry heel with a chip on his shoulder or even a winning feud against the corporation and a decent run as a baby face. If nothing else the Taylor feud gave him a lot of mainstream attention. Even if Vince wanted to pursue the King Mabel push, Bigelow could have had better matches with him than Diesel. When Vince is good, he operates at a genius level but when he’s bad he’s truly awful. Anyway I’ll jump off my soapbox |
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Post by mikey1974 on Jun 16, 2018 19:24:51 GMT -5
No,you're right. when Vince is on,he's a genius. When he's off, insane madness commences.
- Mantaur
-King Mabel
-Beaver Cleavage
-Techno Team 2000
-Giant Gonzalez
-Rocco
-The 1995 obsession with wrestlers having other jobs
-Katie Vick
-Not one, but TWO Pirates over the years
-The Red Rooster
-Cena near singlehandedly beats the Nexus, destroying the hottest angle in wrestling
-Drunken and suicidal Hawk
-Jason Jordan as Kurt Angle's Bastard child
-Mae Young's Hand child
...just off the top of my head. I know there's tons more, but I don't want to derail the thread
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Post by marino13 on Jun 18, 2018 10:07:07 GMT -5
So... back to the Triple H thread...
One thing that I hate is the YouTube comments claiming Triple H was a jobber before he started dating Stephanie. That's factually incorrect. It's just an excuse to diminish his accomplishments IMO. He was already a two time WWE champion. And sure, a case could be made that he's won too many championships since. But is it any different than the amount Edge, Orton, & Cena have held over the same time frame? Nope, but that's never brought up. That's never a problem.
We've learned over the years, Vince likes hard workers (look at how great AJ has been booked since he flew across the planet in a moments notice). And everyone that knows Triple H talks about he is always trying to learn. Even when he's not expected to be somewhere, he is. He studies every aspect of every job. We've seen Triple H finish matches with a torn quad and a crushed throat. So IMO it's only natural Vince would gravitate to Hunter, regardless of Stephanie.
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Post by JokerFC on Jun 19, 2018 13:14:29 GMT -5
So... back to the Triple H thread... One thing that I hate is the YouTube comments claiming Triple H was a jobber before he started dating Stephanie. That's factually incorrect. It's just an excuse to diminish his accomplishments IMO. He was already a two time WWE champion. And sure, a case could be made that he's won too many championships since. But is it any different than the amount Edge, Orton, & Cena have held over the same time frame? Nope, but that's never brought up. That's never a problem. We've learned over the years, Vince likes hard workers (look at how great AJ has been booked since he flew across the planet in a moments notice). And everyone that knows Triple H talks about he is always trying to learn. Even when he's not expected to be somewhere, he is. He studies every aspect of every job. We've seen Triple H finish matches with a torn quad and a crushed throat. So IMO it's only natural Vince would gravitate to Hunter, regardless of Stephanie. saying HHH was a jobber before he was with Steph is just ludicrous. He was a top guy from the Summer of 1998 onwards. His climb started to that position in late 1997.....his intense feud with Foley help[ed him get there. He hadnt been a jobber since 1996 when he was getting punished for his part in the curtain call.... absolute rubbish. |
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Post by ellisd on Jun 19, 2018 18:48:43 GMT -5
I can see where they maybe felt written into a corner after his loss to LT, with DiBiase being pissed. surely he couldn't stay in the Corporation. However, they could of used that to make Bigelow meaner, nastier, He needs to prove himself again, so he goes overboard. Beating an opponent isnt enough. He feels the need to hurt them,try to cripple them. Could've had him totally destroy the kid, which puts him in Razor's orbit. He wins the feud with The Bad Guy, then enters into a feud with HBK. No decisive winner. then moves on to Bret and Diesel. Proving himself by vowing to win KOTR 1995. Annihilates Kid in the qualifiers then ends up getting Razor in the final(smashes Luger en route too) which is SUPER heated because of their beef. You could even have booked a pull apart brawl backstage between the 2 n route to the final & Razor overcoming hard beatdowns driven to confront Bam Bam. Bam Bam goes over CLEAN in a excellent brawl that RR still looks great in & books his place against Diesel @ Summerslam. Razor gets his revenge on an episode of Raw in the ME. MDC interfere on Bam Bams behalf after and Diesel comes out to even the odds. Initiates Diesel & Bam Bams beef & Keeps RR looking sharp for his programme with HBK. Could even return to this programme.... Vince had the talent to make 1995 a hell of lot more entertaining than it was folks. Hell these events could even be used as the catalyst for Kids turn. Very impressive booking, sir. I’d watch that! |
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Post by JokerFC on Jun 20, 2018 11:09:48 GMT -5
Proving himself by vowing to win KOTR 1995. Annihilates Kid in the qualifiers then ends up getting Razor in the final(smashes Luger en route too) which is SUPER heated because of their beef. You could even have booked a pull apart brawl backstage between the 2 n route to the final & Razor overcoming hard beatdowns driven to confront Bam Bam. Bam Bam goes over CLEAN in a excellent brawl that RR still looks great in & books his place against Diesel @ Summerslam. Razor gets his revenge on an episode of Raw in the ME. MDC interfere on Bam Bams behalf after and Diesel comes out to even the odds. Initiates Diesel & Bam Bams beef & Keeps RR looking sharp for his programme with HBK. Could even return to this programme.... Vince had the talent to make 1995 a hell of lot more entertaining than it was folks. Hell these events could even be used as the catalyst for Kids turn. Very impressive booking, sir. I’d watch that! Cheers man!!! |
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Post by mikey1974 on Jun 21, 2018 17:52:44 GMT -5
So... back to the Triple H thread... One thing that I hate is the YouTube comments claiming Triple H was a jobber before he started dating Stephanie. That's factually incorrect. It's just an excuse to diminish his accomplishments IMO. He was already a two time WWE champion. And sure, a case could be made that he's won too many championships since. But is it any different than the amount Edge, Orton, & Cena have held over the same time frame? Nope, but that's never brought up. That's never a problem. We've learned over the years, Vince likes hard workers (look at how great AJ has been booked since he flew across the planet in a moments notice). And everyone that knows Triple H talks about he is always trying to learn. Even when he's not expected to be somewhere, he is. He studies every aspect of every job. We've seen Triple H finish matches with a torn quad and a crushed throat. So IMO it's only natural Vince would gravitate to Hunter, regardless of Stephanie. saying HHH was a jobber before he was with Steph is just ludicrous. He was a top guy from the Summer of 1998 onwards. His climb started to that position in late 1997.....his intense feud with Foley help[ed him get there. He hadnt been a jobber since 1996 when he was getting punished for his part in the curtain call.... absolute rubbish. And the punishment didn't even last that long to be honest. By November 1996 he was Intercontinental Champion. And his accomplishments before dating Steph are beyond reproach: 2 X WWF Champion 2 X WWF Intercontinental Champion 2 X WWF European Champion 1997 King of the Ring |
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