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Post by nascar on Jul 12, 2007 11:32:18 GMT -5
I [personally think Gonzaga has been way overhyped following one impressive win. Yes he beat Crocop, yes he beat him in stunning & convincing fashion but as of right now that is his only big win. I can see Randy coming up with a game plan & getting a comfortable win. One thing I've learnt over the years is do not bet against Couture. As for Kos vs. GSP, I hope GSP gets the win here setting up a title rematch with either Serra or Hughes in 2008. Koscheck is just a wrestler, similar to Jake O'Brien. Yes both are clever enough to use the rules to their advantage & both are very good takedown wrestlers however call me mad but in the UFC I want to see fighting not one guy take someone down then Lay & Pray waiting for a standup just so he can score another takedown. I appreciate that it's down to the other guy to sprawl or strike to stop the takedown but when the wrestler is just taking them down & then layingh on top doing nothing I believe they should have points taken off for stalling. Matt Hughes takes fighters down but works for submissions or ground and pound, something Kos should start rather than grabbing hold is desperation. Agreed 110 %
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Post by Overnight Sensation on Jul 18, 2007 16:58:08 GMT -5
07/18/2007 Mir-Hardonk Added to UFC 74 Card By Thomas Gerbasi Former UFC heavyweight champion Frank Mir returns to the Octagon for the first time in nine months when he takes on dangerous Antoni Hardonk in a bout on August 25th’s UFC 74 card at the Mandalay Bay Events Center in Las Vegas, Nevada. UFC 74 is headlined by the UFC Heavyweight Championship bout between champion Randy Couture and challenger Gabriel Gonzaga, and the welterweight showdown between former UFC champion Georges St-Pierre and Josh Koscheck. Las Vegas’ Mir (9-3) is making his first start since a TKO loss to Brandon Vera at UFC 65 in November of 2006. After winning the UFC heavyweight title ad with a 50 second submission win over Tim Sylvia in June of 2004, Mir suffered serious injuries in a motorcycle accident and was eventually stripped of his title as he rehabbed his broken leg. Mir returned to the Octagon almost two years later in February of 2006, but was stopped by Marcio Cruz in the first round. A subsequent decision win over Dan Christison put Mir in the win column once again, but the loss to rising star Vera put Mir back on the comeback trail. On August 25th, he makes what he hopes is a triumphant return. Standing in his way is Holland native Antoni Hardonk (5-3), who is on a comeback trail of his own after an upset decision loss to Justin McCully in April. Before that though, the 31-year old Hardonk showed how dangerous he can be in the Octagon when he knocked out Sherman Pendergarst at 3:15 of the opening round last November. A win over Mir will propel this protégé of Ernesto Hoost and Rickson Gracie up the heavyweight ranks. The Champ is comming back and honestly.... yes
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Post by Kliquid on Jul 18, 2007 17:23:17 GMT -5
Frank Mir is a in joke...
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Post by 1wrestlinassociat1 on Jul 19, 2007 0:06:21 GMT -5
Cote vs. Grove is going to steal the show.
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Post by Sandy on Jul 19, 2007 2:23:40 GMT -5
What a shitty opponent to give the rising star Kendal Grove...what a pile of crapPatrick Cote is..
Grove has yet to have a boring fight but I see this being his first..but he will still come out victorious. I'm guessing a decision win.
Frank Mir is washed up. He should take his motorcycle accident as a sign to stay out of MMA..
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Post by 1wrestlinassociat1 on Jul 19, 2007 2:25:01 GMT -5
Why do you hate Cote?
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Post by gregthebunny on Jul 19, 2007 6:54:15 GMT -5
Frank Mir is a in joke... Amen brother. Preach on!
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Post by Boquest on Jul 19, 2007 11:43:35 GMT -5
Mir should really retire already. After that crash he wasn't the same, and the division has become a lot more competitive. I never really thought he was that talented to begin with. I remember when he fought Marcio Cruz, and was left in a very bloody pulp.
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Post by Kliquid on Jul 19, 2007 13:50:29 GMT -5
Mir wasn't ever very good. The only good fighter he has ever beaten is Tim Sylvia (and arguably Wes Sims)... And his win over Sylvia was pretty unconvincing.
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Post by nascar on Jul 19, 2007 18:35:22 GMT -5
I'm taking Kendal Grove In his fight
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Post by Sandy on Jul 21, 2007 2:59:55 GMT -5
He is just a very boring fighter to watch. I mean I respect anyone who gets into MMA. And he got in the cage with Tito and didn't get completely squashed..but what does he have to offer? I'm not trying to be sarcastic when I say this either but has he ever KO'ed and opponent? Submitted them? What are his strengths? Then you look at Kendal Grove.. Dude gets better every fight he has. 2 submissions and a fight that I consider fight of the year with Ed Herman.. Patrick Cote has lost all of his UFC matches. Except for one. ONE. They gave him like 4 chances to prove himself and he has yet to do it. I hope Kendal destroys him and will finally be able to fight some credible competitors and then hopefully after that......TITLE SHOT!
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Post by cjd15 on Jul 21, 2007 5:12:20 GMT -5
I make the UFC threads But yeah Gonzagas a no body hell lose. A nobody? Ugh... Okay... He's 8-1 against good competition including a dominating win over Mirko Filipovic. He has never allowed a fight go to a decision. You get mad that Tito Ortiz talks trash, makes himself known, etc... But then a guy doesn't talk trash, earns his title shot, and he's a "nobody?" Nice job of being consistent. ok maybe I should be a little more choosy of my words......What I should say is the kid should have AT LEAST one more fight before his shot. Yes, his win aginst Cro-Cop was impressive, BUT, I still think he should work on his wrestling before he goes up against Couture who is far more superior in wrestling right now.
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Post by cjd15 on Jul 21, 2007 5:14:16 GMT -5
A nobody? Ugh... Okay... He's 8-1 against good competition including a dominating win over Mirko Filipovic. He has never allowed a fight go to a decision. You get mad that Tito Ortiz talks trash, makes himself known, etc... But then a guy doesn't talk trash, earns his title shot, and he's a "nobody?" Nice job of being consistent. Hey.... Tito got poked in the eye. Tito did get poked in the eye but even before tht liddell had already planted enough bombs to Knock his ass out.
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Post by Kliquid on Jul 21, 2007 11:41:19 GMT -5
ok maybe I should be a little more choosy of my words......What I should say is the kid should have AT LEAST one more fight before his shot. Yes, his win aginst Cro-Cop was impressive, BUT, I still think he should work on his wrestling before he goes up against Couture who is far more superior in wrestling right now. ... Who else do you want him to beat? He's 4-0 in the UFC and he has won all 4 fights by knockout or submission. He beat the top contender and therefore he deserves a title shot. The betting lines actually have Gonzaga as the favorite in this fight.
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Post by Overnight Sensation on Jul 21, 2007 12:20:59 GMT -5
I really like Gonzaga and it is gonna be a good fight again Couture....but they arent doing enough to build him from his other fights.....all you keep hearing about is the knockout on Cro Cop.....they need to talk about some of his other fights...
hes getting over hyped off a lucky kick....that landed right place right time
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Post by Kliquid on Jul 21, 2007 13:43:14 GMT -5
hes getting over hyped off a lucky kick....that landed right place right time A lucky head kick? That's the first time I've ever heard that one... I'm a big Cro Cop fan, but Gonzaga completely destroyed him. Even before the head-kick, he was beating Cro Cop standing, then he took him to the ground and was absolutely manhandling him with ground n' pound. It's not like he was getting beaten and just happened to land a perfect punch or something.
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Post by Overnight Sensation on Jul 21, 2007 15:35:03 GMT -5
no doubt he was whoopin Cro Cop's ass but he got lucky with that kick....he was the better fighter on that night
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Post by cjd15 on Jul 21, 2007 18:51:19 GMT -5
ok maybe I should be a little more choosy of my words......What I should say is the kid should have AT LEAST one more fight before his shot. Yes, his win aginst Cro-Cop was impressive, BUT, I still think he should work on his wrestling before he goes up against Couture who is far more superior in wrestling right now. ... Who else do you want him to beat? He's 4-0 in the UFC and he has won all 4 fights by knockout or submission. He beat the top contender and therefore he deserves a title shot. The betting lines actually have Gonzaga as the favorite in this fight. Well, Maybe Gonzaga Arlovski? Idk,I just feel one more good win for GOnzaga would build him up.....
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Post by LC on Jul 23, 2007 13:30:11 GMT -5
Frank Mir, before the accident, was easily one of the top submission specialists in the heavyweight division. Easily. But, if you didn't watch him before the accident, you really never would've guessed that, as he's a shell of his former self.
So this is where Mir HAS to prove himself, if he even wants to be considered a threat in the heavyweight division. It'll be interesting to see if he comes out with that attitude.
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