havoc7179
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Post by havoc7179 on Jul 2, 2018 12:38:39 GMT -5
I was looking at AJ Style's latest reign, and he's almost about to pass HBK for the combined length of time holding the WWE Championship. While searching, I came across a fact that never really hit me until now. Andre the Giant neve really won the WWF Title. I mean I think the reign is recognized, but it was for less than a day.Further, it was a tainted win.
Scott Hall never won the WWF Title. But Stan Stasiak did.
So, who of the 80s and 90s stands out to you as the wrestler who never held the WWF title but was deserving. And who held it that left you wondering why?
For me it's obviously Stan Stasiak as shocking for holding it. And I'm sort of tied between Hall, Piper, and Andre. I mean even if I count Andre as holding it bc it was a title victory even though tainted and even though he was forced to vacate it, that still leaves me town between Piper and Hall.
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Post by hbkbigdaddycool on Jul 2, 2018 13:39:14 GMT -5
Stan "the Man" Stasiak was a big star back in that era though, so it makes sense for him to win it to get it back on Sammartino.
A lot of guys could have easily been WWE Champion but never were. Razor, Piper, Snake, Perfect, DiBiase, Bulldog, all could have been WWE Champion at least once in their careers. But because of timing, story lines or injuries, it never happened.
But then the WWE Title is just a prop, to be honest a lot of those guys didn't need a belt to be over, they just already were.
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TheEvilDoink1987
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Post by TheEvilDoink1987 on Jul 2, 2018 20:42:20 GMT -5
My favorite wrestler growing up, Tatanka never held a single title in the WWF. Kind of surprising because he was a big deal for the majority of his run and had that hot undefeated streak for almost two years. It looked like he was going to get an Intercontinental title run around Wrestlemania IX and I'm even more shocked he and Bam Bam didn't get the Tag Team belts at the 1995 Royal Rumble.
I still think he carved out a nice WWF career for himself. Actually, even got to finally meet him here in NJ last Friday. He was super nice and even signed my WWF Magazine from 1992 with him on the cover. I immediately told him I still can't watch his match against Ludvig Borga because it makes me sad then asked if I would see him again at the Hall of Fame next year. He just winked and said "It'll happen." I really hope so. One of the few guys who only has good things to say about his career and the people he worked with along the way.
Make that call Trips.
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Post by 👑🇵🇭⭐️ on Jul 3, 2018 0:50:47 GMT -5
More Shocking: Won the WWF Championship Title Belt...for the first time, Chris Jericho. No one saw that coming. There was 1 Undisputed WWF / WCW World Heavyweight Championship Title. There were 2 Championship Title Belts. There were 3 matches. There were 4 of my favorite SuperStars of all time. So how was Y2J the 5th favorite, the absolute underdog, the dead last competitor you thought would win!? If Triple H came back a month early, Jericho would be a ten time WWE / WWF Intercontinental Champion, and a three time WWE / WCW United Stares Champion right now. He would have walked in Vengeance 2001 as the United Continental Champion, instead of walking out as the Undisputed Champion. Never held the WWF Championship Title Belt...ever again, Chris Jericho. Granted, I enjoyed his 4 month run. He is also a 2 time WCW Champion, and a 3 time World Champion, which in my mind is straight up a 5 time Big Gold Belt Champion. What I want to put on the list is that he never had nameplates for the Undisputed and the Spinner, and never had sideplates for the Big Scratch and the Big Network. I’m still hoping one day he wins the Big Red Belt.
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Post by Artie Kendall on Jul 3, 2018 13:17:44 GMT -5
You would never want the title on Andre as a promoter. As a fan I can see where you are coming from but a booker can see that Andre is the attraction, he doesn't need a belt to get people in the building. Vince Sr and Jr knew this, that is why they always had pictures of Andre shaking hands with Bruno, Pedro, Backlund, and Hogan. Andre the attraction next to the champion. Andre was a babyface for the majority of his career even though most people today only know him for his WWF run as a heel.
In my years of watching wrestling that at the time I was shocked that a title switched hands were Taker over Hogan, Hogan over Yoko, and Backlund over Hart. But looking back you can see why those titles switched. Taker won to test a PPV on Tuesday, Hogan was done to get more people to buy the replay of the PPV, and Backlund was done to transition it to Diesel.
As far as guys that never held it that list is to long. From Dustin Rhodes, Arn Anderson, Magnum, Perfect, Tito, Piper, Dibiase, Roberts, Hall, that list is really long but most of those guys were great in the ring and on the mic to get over.
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Post by warriorlynx on Jul 3, 2018 15:05:30 GMT -5
Who was the most over in the WWF 1983-84? Jimmy Snuka, who should've had at least a quick run in 83. Too bad the whole scandal with his girlfriend screwed things up, plus Hulk signing changed everything. Piper once said that they purposely pushed Snuka down in order for Hulk to get over as the top babyface in the company. Snuka was still in the main event at WM1 as a manager for Hulk and Mr. T. Eventually he left the WWF and when he came back in 89, he was a shadow of his former self and it wasn't the same.
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Post by warriorlynx on Jul 3, 2018 15:09:51 GMT -5
Stan "the Man" Stasiak was a big star back in that era though, so it makes sense for him to win it to get it back on Sammartino. Plus if Pedro Morales instead lost the title to Sammartino, there would've been a huge riot and the Puerto Ricans would've turned on Bruno.
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Post by marino13 on Jul 3, 2018 15:31:31 GMT -5
Piper should have held the WWF title at some point. I think it would have been great to have him going into WM 2 as champion. Let Bundy attack Hogan and injure him just as he did, but months earlier. Then an injured Hogan could have lost the title to Piper during a SNME. Hogan comes back and defeats Bundy in the cage on another SNME to become number one contender. Hogan does his whole dumb shtick to defeat Piper at WM2. Far better than the boxing match we got.
As for who won it and surprised me the most? I get that Stone Cold wanted revenge Triple H badly, but Vince should never have won the WWE title. Especially due to Austin's help. It was dumb IMO because there were so many greats who never had that opportunity. So yeah... meh.
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Post by The Brain on Jul 3, 2018 15:49:52 GMT -5
Piper should have held the WWF title at some point. I think it would have been great to have him going into WM 2 as champion. Let Bundy attack Hogan and injure him just as he did, but months earlier. Then an injured Hogan could have lost the title to Piper during a SNME. Hogan comes back and defeats Bundy in the cage on another SNME to become number one contender. Hogan does his whole dumb shtick to defeat Piper at WM2. Far better than the boxing match we got. As for who won it and surprised me the most? I get that Stone Cold wanted revenge Triple H badly, but Vince should never have won the WWE title. Especially due to Austin's help. It was dumb IMO because there were so many greats who never had that opportunity. So yeah... meh. Definitely agree with Piper. I'm a big Bundy fan but man Piper vs Hogan for the belt at WM 2 would've been money.
Vince winning the belt yeah was ridiculous but not surprising considering his ego. That same year he won the Rumble as well. I also remember him winning the ''ECW'' belt which was just a slap in the face to original fans.
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Post by mikey1974 on Jul 10, 2018 8:21:09 GMT -5
Andre should have had a bit of a run with the Belt. Have him lose to Hogan like happened at WM III. Continue the controversy with Marella and the 3-count. Heenan and Andre petition for a rematch all summer, and it's finally booked - at the first Survivor Series. Have the rest of the card the traditional survivor matches with the main event of Hogan vs Andre for the title. make it an all out brawl, and at the end a spent Hogan collapses while an exhausted Andre collapses on top of him for the 1-2-3,cause the ref never sees Hogan's foot on the bottom rope. ... Now it's Hogan chasing for a Title rematch after the controversy. Enter the Million Dollar Man, who openly says he's going to buy the WWF Championship. Jack Tunney makes the announcement that Hogan will get his rematch in February 1988 on The Main Event. DiBiase buys Andre's contract from Heenan,and Andre promises to deliver the Belt to DiBiase after successfully defending it against Hogan ( Do the storyline where DiBiase holds off on buying the title from Andre until after the Main Event match - if Ted is Champion at that time HE will have to defend it against Hogan. He doesn't want to do that.). Then the ME match goes exactly as it did, with Andre "beating" Hogan to retain the title and immediately surrenders it to DiBiase, Tunney declares the Title vacant, and we get the Mania IV tournament.
This way you give Andre an actual proper Title reign for 3 months or so with him still only having to wrestle the same amount of matches he did anyway.
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Post by Bandalero on Jul 27, 2018 0:06:38 GMT -5
I guess this is a WWF/E title thread, but who was surprised when David Arquette became WCW World Heavyweight Champion?
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Post by PJ on Jul 27, 2018 4:35:47 GMT -5
I guess this is a WWF/E title thread, but who was surprised when David Arquette became WCW World Heavyweight Champion? Surprised...more like Angered! lol That became the turning point from where I used to watch WCW and only watch the WWE if during a commercial break one of the handful of WWE guys I liked was in a match, but after that I felt like I was flipping to the WWE more during Nitro than ever before.
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Post by The Brain on Jul 27, 2018 7:43:26 GMT -5
I guess this is a WWF/E title thread, but who was surprised when David Arquette became WCW World Heavyweight Champion?What a miscarriage of justice that was.
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Post by mikey1974 on Aug 8, 2018 18:14:27 GMT -5
I guess this is a WWF/E title thread, but who was surprised when David Arquette became WCW World Heavyweight Champion? Surprised...more like Angered! lol That became the turning point from where I used to watch WCW and only watch the WWE if during a commercial break one of the handful of WWE guys I liked was in a match, but after that I felt like I was flipping to the WWE more during Nitro than ever before. I will say this,though - Arquette turned out to be a better human being than a lot of the people in WCW at that time. He quietly donated his entire WCW pay to Owen Hart and Brian Pillman's families, and the night he won the Belt he walked into the tavern where all the boys were holed up and bought all their drinks and food.
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Post by PJ on Aug 8, 2018 18:28:58 GMT -5
Surprised...more like Angered! lol That became the turning point from where I used to watch WCW and only watch the WWE if during a commercial break one of the handful of WWE guys I liked was in a match, but after that I felt like I was flipping to the WWE more during Nitro than ever before. I will say this,though - Arquette turned out to be a better human being than a lot of the people in WCW at that time. He quietly donated his entire WCW pay to Owen Hart and Brian Pillman's families, and the night he won the Belt he walked into the tavern where all the boys were holed up and bought all their drinks and food. He could be the greatest most giving human being in the world, but that has nothing to do with him having absolutely zero business becoming the WCW Heavyweight Champion.
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Post by JokerFC on Aug 9, 2018 21:00:29 GMT -5
What I enjoy about the Arquette story is that he was horrified himself at the notion of becoming champ. As a wrestling fan he knew how it would be received.
Russo sold him some snakey snake oil detailing an elaborate plan on how it would actually be a huge benefit getting it off him. Of course this was more of the patented "russo rubbish" we have all come to know & despise so utterly.
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Post by Deep Figure Value on Aug 10, 2018 19:22:54 GMT -5
I guess this is a WWF/E title thread, but who was surprised when David Arquette became WCW World Heavyweight Champion?What a miscarriage of justice that was. "But bro! Bro...the next morning...on the cover of the Daily News...was David Arquette....with the WCW title, bro. That's the kind of publicity, bro, that you just can't buy, bro."That hurt to type.Piper, I think, is the key name here.
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Post by cordless2016 on Aug 11, 2018 17:50:28 GMT -5
Shocked he never won - Owen Hart.
This guy was gold and should have taken the title at Survivor Series ‘95. It seemed like throughout 1994 they were building towards Owen eventually stealing the title from Bret and them having a final showdown at WM11. Give Owen the title at Survivor Series and he could drop it to Diesel at the Royal Rumble before facing Bret again at WM11.
Shocked he won - Eddie Guerrero.
He absolutely deserved that win. But even as a 13 year old I was shocked that they actually put the title on him considering he’s the complete opposite of what Vince has traditionally looked for in his top guys. On top of that, you put him in a match against Vince’s new face of the company Brock Lesnar (this was before we knew Brock was leaving) on traditionally a throwaway PPV, and you can see why so many people were shocked Eddie got the win that night. Amazing moment that a lot of people did not believe was going to happen going into the event.
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Post by Hulkster2001 on Aug 13, 2018 10:16:27 GMT -5
Shocked he never won - Mr. Perfect
If Vince hadn’t had Warrior face Hogan at Mania 6 then I think he’d have Perfect steal the title in 89 then have Hogan win it back at Mania. (Or just have Hogan as the champ with Perfect as the challenger) either way I think he would’ve been a perfect champion.
Shocked he won - Undertaker When the deadman defeated Hulk Hogan for the WWF title I’m pretty sure every fan was shocked. I mean this relatively new guy just beat the Immortal Hulk Hogan for the WWF title! I’m glad he won but still, goes to show how much faith Vince had in the Undertaker.
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Post by snoopy13 on Aug 15, 2018 16:50:11 GMT -5
i'm not shocked undertaker won title from hogan at survivor series 91 i thought that flair was going to cost hogan to loose the belt
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