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Post by BØRNS on Jul 10, 2018 3:59:14 GMT -5
How great has Rollins/Ziggler been? I know there are SEVERAL factors at play here, but I cannot remember being this excited for a feud. There is a lot to be said about the Rollins/Ziggler/McIntyre/Reigns interactions. The two Rollins/Ziggler one on one matches from Raw have been the standout matches by far, and they're going to have a 30 minute Iron Man match at Extreme Rules for the IC championship. I know that there will be shenanigans, as always, but I'm hoping it won't spoil the match. Pairing Ziggler with McIntyre is so fresh and works surprisingly well. Rollins is at the top of his game (while unfortunately being at the middle of the card), and Ziggler is yet again being ever-so-slightly pushed so as you're not able to say "they're not doing anything with him". On one hand, it makes sense that McIntyre, who is still relatively (re)newly on the scene, is paired with a veteran like Ziggler, but by most means, McIntyre was originally hired by the company longer ago than 90% of the roster. I'm not sure what the plan is for the IC match, but you can see from a mile away that McIntyre will be on Reigns' plate shortly, like they just finished doing with Jinder Mahal. Lesnar's reign has thrown a wrench into everything booking-wise on Raw. Who's the bigger star on Raw - Reigns? Rollins? Strowman? Will Balor ever get his Universal Championship rematch? Raw is a cluster right now, but at least this chaos has provided us with some really good Rollins vs. Ziggler matches, and I'm hoping their Iron Man delivers! Anyway, I hope you tolerated my stream of consciousness, but just wanted to strike up a conversation about the state of Raw right now, the IC and Universal title picture, and that whole scene. Go forth and discuss!
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Post by BrIaNMeRcY on Jul 10, 2018 4:41:29 GMT -5
Right now, I feel the WWE is in a holding pattern. No matter if it is on RAW or SmackDown. Granted SummerSlam is around the corner, I would think the WWE likely has an idea of what the card is going to be. I do like the program with Dolph Ziggler and Seth Rollins. Surprised the two didn't have a long-term feud until recently. The inclusion of Drew McIntyre feels fresh. If they do include Roman Reigns into this, it would be the WWE sprinkling some of that Rollins dust onto Reigns.
Let Reigns do his thing with Bobby Lashley for now. The state of the WWE in a nutshell is simple. Given SummerSlam is around the corner, the WWE is going to be in this holding pattern till January. I know January seems far but it is the norm year after year. To me, Extreme Rules doesn't fit as a Summer PPV.
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Post by hbkfan on Jul 10, 2018 5:07:54 GMT -5
McIntyre used to be Vince's boy back in the time; hey the man itself endorsed him in public once...who knows, maybe they surprise us.
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Post by ~ Cymru ~ on Jul 10, 2018 5:51:24 GMT -5
To me this is like Ellsworth getting lucky over AJ, Ziggler has been so poorly booked I dont really care for him anymore, McIntyre is wasted in his position he should be the champion and Ziggler should be the bitch boy. The matches have been great but the typical heel ending's and the fact Ziggler is a main player in 2018 makes me sad.
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Post by y13 on Jul 10, 2018 6:04:19 GMT -5
Dolph is one of the best guys they have when he’s motivated and when they are actually doing something with him. The pairing with McIntyre was weird at first but it’s grown on me and has become one of the only interesting things on Raw. Putting them with the best guy on the roster, Seth Rollins, helps too.
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Post by cordless2016 on Jul 10, 2018 7:03:59 GMT -5
I’ve been loving McIntyre but it just feels like he’s being protected to eventually put over Reigns so I’ve had trouble buying into him 100%.
Rollins has been the Raw MVP this year.
Ziggler is motivated and doing great, but I have a feeling that once he looses the title that he’ll go back to doing nothing.
Reigns is Reigns. He’ll eventually go thru Lashley and then probably onto McIntyre. Boring.
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Post by punksnotdead on Jul 10, 2018 9:05:51 GMT -5
Ziggler has always been this good. He's the exact same guy now that he was during the back half of 2014. They just needed to give him something to do. Rollins is quite easily the best total package star on Raw. I honestly think he's the best total package star they have in the entire company. The feud is awesome and everyone is delivering because everyone is extremely talented. All of this should be taking place over the Universal Title but I won't complain about the IC Title looking so coveted, I guess.
I think McIntyre is in a really nice spot. He's going to live up to expectation this time. There is absolutely no reason to rush him to the finish line. Build him up to Mania and then turn him babyface and let him beat Ziggler. Within a year you'll have a guy that everyone thinks should be a World Champion. McIntyre is a great babyface and I think we're eventually going to see a hell of a chase to the title with him.
The entire scenario makes me happy. Three guys I genuinely enjoy all making a memorable feud together and carrying the show.
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Post by MacReady on Jul 10, 2018 9:20:45 GMT -5
I honestly can't remember the last time in recent memory that I've disliked everything about WWE so much. And I hate that I dislike it this much.
It's just so monotonous and tiring to get through.
Granted, I do attribute a large portion of that to one "World Champion" not being on Raw ever; and having to restructure the show around the upper mid card feuds; but JEEZ some of it is SO cringey; watching Corbin sing the Itsy Bitsy Balor last night; I had to change the channel, and didn't go back.
Something needs to be done about the state of WWE; that's for sure.
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Post by bigshab421 on Jul 10, 2018 10:01:21 GMT -5
Enjoying the DZ/McIntyre team. I see Ambrose returning and costing Rollins the IC Title at Extreme Rules, setting up a lengthy feud but Ambrose as the maniacal heel.
Guessing that Ziggler goes on a major run with the IC Title battling guys like Lashley, Reigns, Roode, etc... and beating them all with the help of McIntyre. This will lead to the obvious storyline of McIntyre wanting a shot but DZ ignoring him, eventually turning Drew into a kickass babyface that takes the title off Dolph.
As for the main event scene, Reigns is definitely winning the title and immediately dropping it to Strowman via MITB Cash-In. Excited for a Braun title reign of chaos. Could make for some fresh television, and eventually leads to a heel Ambrose title run.
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Post by T R W on Jul 10, 2018 10:11:18 GMT -5
I honestly can't remember the last time in recent memory that I've disliked everything about WWE so much. And I hate that I dislike it this much. It's just so monotonous and tiring to get through. Granted, I do attribute a large portion of that to one "World Champion" not being on Raw ever; and having to restructure the show around the upper mid card feuds; but JEEZ some of it is SO cringey; watching Corbin sing the Itsy Bitsy Balor last night; I had to change the channel, and didn't go back. Something needs to be done about the state of WWE; that's for sure. Same. I have been watching since 1980. I have never been as frustrated and bored with their weekly television as I am right now. So much talent just going to absolute waste.
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Post by BrIaNMeRcY on Jul 10, 2018 13:36:28 GMT -5
Enjoying the DZ/McIntyre team. I see Ambrose returning and costing Rollins the IC Title at Extreme Rules, setting up a lengthy feud but Ambrose as the maniacal heel. Guessing that Ziggler goes on a major run with the IC Title battling guys like Lashley, Reigns, Roode, etc... and beating them all with the help of McIntyre. This will lead to the obvious storyline of McIntyre wanting a shot but DZ ignoring him, eventually turning Drew into a kickass babyface that takes the title off Dolph. As for the main event scene, Reigns is definitely winning the title and immediately dropping it to Strowman via MITB Cash-In. Excited for a Braun title reign of chaos. Could make for some fresh television, and eventually leads to a heel Ambrose title run. Sounds like a good booking scenario but Dean Ambrose won't be touch and go till after SummerSlam. I have a feeling the WWE would pick up once again in the Fall. We are going throuh the motions but let's just see what happens.
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Post by marino13 on Jul 10, 2018 15:51:39 GMT -5
I always felt like Ziggler & Rollins had great chemistry. I could watch them wrestle every day of the week and still be entertained. Drew is my favorite thing in all of WWE at the moment. I always believed he would be WWE Champion, even after his release, and it feels so good to see him finally getting his chance to shine.
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Post by Kanenite on Jul 10, 2018 16:28:09 GMT -5
I haven't watched RAW in a month or two, but it's nice to hear that Ziggler is apparently interesting again. I found it's really hard to get into him these days after the constant mess they created with his booking since December 2014, but I'll be watching Extreme Rules and the idea of he and Rollins having an Ironman match sounds pretty good.
They dropped the stupid record scratch stuff though, right?
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Post by TheChamp420 on Jul 10, 2018 16:34:18 GMT -5
Loving the DZ/Drew vs Rollins stuff on Raw! But that’s literally the only part of Raw I care about
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Post by Darkhawk on Jul 10, 2018 16:46:40 GMT -5
McIntyre and Ziggler are making Raw a bit more enjoyable to watch. I thought the pairing was odd at first, but it's recently grown on me.
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Post by LK3 on Jul 11, 2018 0:32:15 GMT -5
The state of Raw? Awful. The last two weeks I have had zero interest in anything that didn't involve Rollins/Ziggler/McIntyre. They gave us the biggest tease ever with Sasha and Bayley a few weeks ago, and now it's almost non-existent thanks to counseling. Let them fight! And I love Finn, but the thing with Corbin is just so unappealing. SDL probably isn't the best right now either, but compared to Raw I feel way more invested watching SD.
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Post by BØRNS on Jul 11, 2018 1:36:45 GMT -5
I haven't watched RAW in a month or two, but it's nice to hear that Ziggler is apparently interesting again. I found it's really hard to get into him these days after the constant mess they created with his booking since December 2014, but I'll be watching Extreme Rules and the idea of he and Rollins having an Ironman match sounds pretty good. They dropped the stupid record scratch stuff though, right? Yeah, he still has the record scratch :/
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Post by bababooey on Jul 11, 2018 9:12:19 GMT -5
Unfortunately, WWE has trained me to immediately not care once Ziggler is on my screen. Tons of guys can have good matches. There needs to be another part to the equation, and being a bootleg Shawn Michaels isn’t the answer.
At the MSG show on Saturday, he even referred to McIntyre as “Big Daddy Claymore” and his tights seemed to be inspired by HBK’s Summerslam 95 attire. He just really comes off like a desperate HBK wannabe.
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Post by Kill Em' All on Jul 12, 2018 19:25:34 GMT -5
Rollins, Mcintyre, and Ziggler all in my eyes have what it takes to be Universal Champion. Raw would be a better quality show if we had a active world championship and proper stories.
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Post by TheChamp420 on Jul 14, 2018 14:44:40 GMT -5
Unfortunately, WWE has trained me to immediately not care once Ziggler is on my screen. Tons of guys can have good matches. There needs to be another part to the equation, and being a bootleg Shawn Michaels isn’t the answer. At the MSG show on Saturday, he even referred to McIntyre as “Big Daddy Claymore” and his tights seemed to be inspired by HBK’s Summerslam 95 attire. He just really comes off like a desperate HBK wannabe. I don’t mind that he does the super kick, but I hate that he “tunes the band” . I like Dolph, and think he has all the right tools, but he just come off as a complete rip off
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