Sting
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Post by Sting on Aug 21, 2018 11:19:21 GMT -5
Alexa has defeated nearly every women on the roster and yet last night she was obliterated by Rousey. Now looking forward if every future Rousey match will be one sided affairs with her opponent getting zero offence fans will turn big time. Last night left a very bad taste in my mouth and fans will not accept Rousey if her opponents get swung around like weak rag dolls. Why not? We accepted it with Goldberg in his WCW days. Different crowd now though I guess. She could always drop the belt and go after male competitors instead lol
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Post by Nivro™ on Aug 21, 2018 11:54:48 GMT -5
Alexa has defeated nearly every women on the roster and yet last night she was obliterated by Rousey. Now looking forward if every future Rousey match will be one sided affairs with her opponent getting zero offence fans will turn big time. Last night left a very bad taste in my mouth and fans will not accept Rousey if her opponents get swung around like weak rag dolls. Why not? We accepted it with Goldberg in his WCW days. Different crowd now though I guess. She could always drop the belt and go after male competitors instead lol Goldberg was dominate against mid careers. He squashed Lodi & Hugh Morris. When he got in the ring with top guys, win or lose, it was still a match. Ronda made a 5 time champ look like a girl scout. Like Alexa or not, it severely hurt the look of the womens division on raw. I'd venture to guess most women agree too. Watch that segment last night and look at the faces of Sasha, Bayley, Ember etc....they all had that "gtfoh" look on their face when Ronda was speaking.
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B-Radimus Prime
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Post by B-Radimus Prime on Aug 21, 2018 12:23:38 GMT -5
All I could think when I watched the match at Summerslam was that they have booked Alexa to go over the entire division on RAW and then she gets easily defeated by Ronda in what I wouldn’t even call a match. Therefore, if Bliss can win against the rest of the roster but can’t even last a couple minutes with Rousey, what does that say for the rest of the women (and where is Mickie at, btw)?
And that Championship celebration just had all the other women on the roster looking like they wished Rousey never signed a contract. Especially with the rumor that she’ll be main eventing the Evolution PPV against Nikki Bella (a match that nobody cares about).
I really do hope the announce Tag Titles to get Banks, Bayley, Riott Squad and hopefully Ember away from the Rousey mess. They can just have their tag division and hopefully do some new and creative things while WWE books Ronda vs Nikki in a match where Nikki will probably never be able to wrestle again afterwards.
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Post by PrincessOfSunlight on Aug 21, 2018 13:02:44 GMT -5
My already depleted and beaten from me interest in the abysmally booked women’s division has gone flying off the cliff with this painfully transparent attempt to remain relevant with a “celebrity” who has no relevance to the meaning of the word or my idea of “entertainment”. The same people who bitch and moan about Roman being forced down their throats, casually neck down this sad sight down. Had no interest in her since she the UFC meltdown, she has a completely artificial personality.
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Post by PJ on Aug 21, 2018 13:14:25 GMT -5
I thought Mickie James has been out injured since late July...so I am pretty sure that’s why she’s not been around.
And first I will start off saying yes I do like Alexa but has she beaten anyone cleanly? I can’t think any high profile match she’s been in where she didn’t win by hook or by crook. So yeah how she lost at SummerSlam made sense seeing her championship reigns have all been booked with her as the cowardly champion who has to rely on outside help/cheating to win. So if she can’t beat the RAW roster cleanly there’s no way she would beat Rousey without help. So I don’t see the problem with her winning.
My issue with Ronda’s performance Sunday was the same one I had with Carmella’s...which is don’t tell me the story by yelling what you are doing, but tell the story through your moves and expressions in the ring. Speaking of Carmella if she doesn’t learn to keep her tongue in her mouth while she is wrestling she’s going to accidentally bite it off.
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Post by "The Visionary" Eldniw on Aug 21, 2018 13:35:08 GMT -5
Why not? We accepted it with Goldberg in his WCW days. Different crowd now though I guess. She could always drop the belt and go after male competitors instead lol Goldberg was dominate against mid careers. He squashed Lodi & Hugh Morris. When he got in the ring with top guys, win or lose, it was still a match. Ronda made a 5 time champ look like a girl scout. Like Alexa or not, it severely hurt the look of the womens division on raw. I'd venture to guess most women agree too. Watch that segment last night and look at the faces of Sasha, Bayley, Ember etc....they all had that "gtfoh" look on their face when Ronda was speaking. And again.
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Post by Bandalero on Aug 21, 2018 14:15:23 GMT -5
We've seen this time and again, boxer vs. wrestler match or celeb athlete vs. wrestler match, and it most always goes with the celeb for the big pay-off; but it de-legitimizes the wrestler and the business in the long run. And make no bones about it, we all know that Rhonda was going to be the cornerstone of the division, I just don't think it should have been in her 4th match.
Rhonda comes in as a celeb athlete with heavy mainstream media appeal, and in this case she's now a dedicated member of the roster. Instead of telling a slow-burn story of a green rookie with natural badassery talent, learning the ropes so that she can be that ultimate achiever in the end, WWE rams her down our throats and jeopardizes the rest of their female roster. I'm not even complaining about how one-sided they booked the match; I'm complaining about the setup for the long term. Who can topple her? Charlotte's name pops up, but a lot needs to happen to get her on the same show in prep for a major PPV showdown. So in the meantime we're supposed to believe the Riott Squad, Bayley, Sasha, and Ember have some sort of edge on Rhonda after how they've booked her?
What's most likely going to happen is that Rhonda gets involved in multi tag matches from now to the next PPV.
Also Rhonda is improving no doubt but two things need to change: Her attire - she needs to stop adjusting her outfit, it's distracting. And whoever told her to scream out when she's calling the match should quit being a talent adviser. Why is she even in the position to call a match? It should be the person with more experience.
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ecwrhino
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Post by ecwrhino on Aug 21, 2018 14:41:48 GMT -5
As a LONGGGGG time UFC fan (1998) and huge hater of Rousey all through her career of squashing soccer moms until she faced real competition, I'm a fan of her in the WWE. However, she needs more training and needs to have actual matches.
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Post by PJ on Aug 21, 2018 14:46:50 GMT -5
She’ll lose the title, but it will be because of some sort of trickery/outside interference. But it will be the same thing if and when Braun becomes champion or how Roman will lose because all three have more or less been booked the same way. Which is the believable for them to lose is trickery or outside interference.
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Post by jayrod2009 on Aug 21, 2018 14:47:17 GMT -5
If Ronda is booked like she was booked last night, She will be "Roman boo'ed" by the time Royal Rumble comes around if not sooner. I understand everyones ideology of "Alexa would be destroyed in a real fight with Ronda" but this is wrestling. The match last night seriously set WWE's "Womens revolution" back easily 10 years as far as ring quality. Your COO or whatever Stephanie is got in more offense then a 5 times womens champion. Think about that. Yes you have someone that's got a ton of mainstream appeal but you pretty much just told the Alexa Bliss, Sasha Banks, Bayley, Becky Lynch and all these women that have been busting their asses to make the division worth watching, that they're completely irrelevant. If you're a fan of womens wrestling or a fan of any woman on the roster, you should be rather pissed knowing that the WWE just shat on everything your favorite has done up until this time. WWE isn’t in the “making your booking fantasies come true” business, they are in the money making business. Who will be the bigger draw? Rousey. Who will bring in more viewers? Rousey. Who can be put infront of any interviewer and put the company and themselves over? Rousey. Guess what, she is part of the revolution. Sure, she came in after the Four Horsewomen, but she is there helping the cause of Women aof Wrestling and the WWE renain in a spotlight that isn’t what the Diva Division was. Putting Rousey over Bliss was the only plausible outcome. Could have thrown dirty herl tactics in and spread the fued out, but they went in a different direction. Enjoy the product, lets see where this goes. Would you stand up and yell in the theater after the second act? No, you wait and watch the story unfold. Be patient. Be a fan.
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Post by TheLastDude on Aug 21, 2018 15:01:12 GMT -5
Well, I would imagine so. It's almost September.
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Post by LA Times on Aug 21, 2018 16:28:14 GMT -5
Why all the hate on Ronda Rousey? She is a draw, is genuinely excited to be wrestling and working a fulltime schedule, not looking for a quick payday. If something is wrong, blame the booking. The women's divisions for both brands have been a disaster with countless .500 wrestlers and little to no character development.
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Post by Nivro™ on Aug 21, 2018 17:29:55 GMT -5
If Ronda is booked like she was booked last night, She will be "Roman boo'ed" by the time Royal Rumble comes around if not sooner. I understand everyones ideology of "Alexa would be destroyed in a real fight with Ronda" but this is wrestling. The match last night seriously set WWE's "Womens revolution" back easily 10 years as far as ring quality. Your COO or whatever Stephanie is got in more offense then a 5 times womens champion. Think about that. Yes you have someone that's got a ton of mainstream appeal but you pretty much just told the Alexa Bliss, Sasha Banks, Bayley, Becky Lynch and all these women that have been busting their asses to make the division worth watching, that they're completely irrelevant. If you're a fan of womens wrestling or a fan of any woman on the roster, you should be rather pissed knowing that the WWE just shat on everything your favorite has done up until this time. WWE isn’t in the “making your booking fantasies come true” business, they are in the money making business. Who will be the bigger draw? Rousey. Who will bring in more viewers? Rousey. Who can be put infront of any interviewer and put the company and themselves over? Rousey. Guess what, she is part of the revolution. Sure, she came in after the Four Horsewomen, but she is there helping the cause of Women aof Wrestling and the WWE renain in a spotlight that isn’t what the Diva Division was. Putting Rousey over Bliss was the only plausible outcome. Could have thrown dirty herl tactics in and spread the fued out, but they went in a different direction. Enjoy the product, lets see where this goes. Would you stand up and yell in the theater after the second act? No, you wait and watch the story unfold. Be patient. Be a fan. And where are the numbers that shows she's a draw for wrestling? Wrestlemania XXX & Wrestlemania XXXIV numbers are essentially the same. Same arena, same event. SummerSlam '17 and SummerSlam '18 numbers are essentially the same, same arena same event. No difference in MITB PPVs even though the arenas were differnt. RAW before Ronda's wrestling debut drew a 2.9, her debut match drew 2.80 (down from the previous week) and then the week after RAW drew a 2.83 (up from the week of her wrestling debut) She's not putting more butts in the seats & she's not bringing in more viewers either. She's bringing PR with coverage from places like ESPN, FOX, Forbes etc...but PR isnt bringing in fans and fans are money. If you werent already a WWE fan before, you're not going to be one now. If you were a Ronda/UFC fan but not a wrestling fan before....you're still not one. In reality the majority of UFC fans/non wrestling fans look at this move negative saying she cant hang in "real fighting" now so she has to go do the "fake stuff". She's not the top story on WWE's portion of ESPN. You have to scroll 1/2 down the page to get to her first mention. If she cared about this PR pushed womens revolution she would have taken the L at SummerSlam. There's countless ways to take a loss and not lose the aura that you have. Ken Shamrock was billed as the Worlds most Dangerous man, former UFC Champion, future UFC Hall of Famer...had his first PPV match at SummerSlam and took a loss. Still had a solid WWE career. Ronda deserves to be womens champ....Just not now. Not without paying the dues and certainly not if the only reason is people saying "shes a draw" when numbers state otherwise.
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Post by The American Daydream on Aug 21, 2018 17:45:54 GMT -5
WWE isn’t in the “making your booking fantasies come true” business, they are in the money making business. Who will be the bigger draw? Rousey. Who will bring in more viewers? Rousey. Who can be put infront of any interviewer and put the company and themselves over? Rousey. Guess what, she is part of the revolution. Sure, she came in after the Four Horsewomen, but she is there helping the cause of Women aof Wrestling and the WWE renain in a spotlight that isn’t what the Diva Division was. Putting Rousey over Bliss was the only plausible outcome. Could have thrown dirty herl tactics in and spread the fued out, but they went in a different direction. Enjoy the product, lets see where this goes. Would you stand up and yell in the theater after the second act? No, you wait and watch the story unfold. Be patient. Be a fan. And where are the numbers that shows she's a draw for wrestling? Wrestlemania XXX & Wrestlemania XXXIV numbers are essentially the same. Same arena, same event. SummerSlam '17 and SummerSlam '18 numbers are essentially the same, same arena same event. No difference in MITB PPVs even though the arenas were differnt. RAW before Ronda's wrestling debut drew a 2.9, her debut match drew 2.80 (down from the previous week) and then the week after RAW drew a 2.83 (up from the week of her wrestling debut) She's not putting more butts in the seats & she's not bringing in more viewers either. She's bringing PR with coverage from places like ESPN, FOX, Forbes etc...but PR isnt bringing in fans and fans are money. If you werent already a WWE fan before, you're not going to be one now. If you were a Ronda/UFC fan but not a wrestling fan before....you're still not one. In reality the majority of UFC fans/non wrestling fans look at this move negative saying she cant hang in "real fighting" now so she has to go do the "fake stuff". She's not the top story on WWE's portion of ESPN. You have to scroll 1/2 down the page to get to her first mention. If she cared about this PR pushed womens revolution she would have taken the L at SummerSlam. There's countless ways to take a loss and not lose the aura that you have. Ken Shamrock was billed as the Worlds most Dangerous man, former UFC Champion, future UFC Hall of Famer...had his first PPV match at SummerSlam and took a loss. Still had a solid WWE career. Ronda deserves to be womens champ....Just not now. Not without paying the dues and certainly not if the only reason is people saying "shes a draw" when numbers state otherwise. glad to know you know all these things to be fact. "If you weren't a wrestling fan before then you won't be one now" yeah that's makes so much sense. Rousey is money, period. Whether it's in merchandise, new viewers, new platforms, it doesn't matter it's all forms of $$$. I know multiple people who have tuned in to her matches who never watched wrestling the same goes with Lesnar. You don't like it? Blame booking not the one person who doesn't want to be a part timer and actually enjoys the sport/business. Saying people don't tune in for Lesnar or Rousey is asinine. I wonder if you said the same about Mayweather? That's like saying if McGregor showed up nobody new would tune in 😂😂 also not every fan goes to PPVs or live shows. Some of us just watch it on tv and surprise, thats also a form of money for them.
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Post by Next Man’s Knowing Rock on Aug 21, 2018 18:01:09 GMT -5
WWE isn’t in the “making your booking fantasies come true” business, they are in the money making business. Who will be the bigger draw? Rousey. Who will bring in more viewers? Rousey. Who can be put infront of any interviewer and put the company and themselves over? Rousey. Guess what, she is part of the revolution. Sure, she came in after the Four Horsewomen, but she is there helping the cause of Women aof Wrestling and the WWE renain in a spotlight that isn’t what the Diva Division was. Putting Rousey over Bliss was the only plausible outcome. Could have thrown dirty herl tactics in and spread the fued out, but they went in a different direction. Enjoy the product, lets see where this goes. Would you stand up and yell in the theater after the second act? No, you wait and watch the story unfold. Be patient. Be a fan. And where are the numbers that shows she's a draw for wrestling? The new WWE TV deals. Any number of angry teens crying online are nothing compared to WWE now having the ability to put the most famous female fighter on a poster or roll her out for a press conference or presentation to new broadcast partners. As the numbers show, UFC’s loss is WWE’s gain.
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Post by Next Man’s Knowing Rock on Aug 21, 2018 18:03:55 GMT -5
Why all the hate on Ronda Rousey? It’s the wrestling internet. We have to constantly find new things to be outraged about, and she ticks enough of the boxes: good looking, never worked the indies or NXT, is booked to dominate her opponents.
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Post by Nivro™ on Aug 21, 2018 18:13:57 GMT -5
And where are the numbers that shows she's a draw for wrestling? The new WWE TV deals. Any number of angry teens crying online are nothing compared to WWE now having the ability to put the most famous female fighter on a poster or roll her out for a press conference or presentation to new broadcast partners. As the numbers show, UFC’s loss is WWE’s gain. Is it Ronda not being there thats a loss for UFC or is Ronda eating 2 L's back to back the loss for UFC? Ronda had a aura to her in the UFC, until she got dropped...twice. At that point she was no longer the baddest woman on the planet or whatever nickname was given to her. Its damaged goods. Outside of fighting maybe Cyborg, does anyone really care to see Ronda fight in the UFC again? Especially knowing the current champ dropped her in 48 seconds and Ronda looked completely lost in the octagon.
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Sting
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Post by Sting on Aug 21, 2018 19:00:23 GMT -5
Why not? We accepted it with Goldberg in his WCW days. Different crowd now though I guess. She could always drop the belt and go after male competitors instead lol Goldberg was dominate against mid careers. He squashed Lodi & Hugh Morris. When he got in the ring with top guys, win or lose, it was still a match. Ronda made a 5 time champ look like a girl scout. Like Alexa or not, it severely hurt the look of the womens division on raw. I'd venture to guess most women agree too. Watch that segment last night and look at the faces of Sasha, Bayley, Ember etc....they all had that "gtfoh" look on their face when Ronda was speaking. In his streak heydays Goldberg was dominant against pretty much everyone. I remember his match on Nitro against the Giant, the actual in ring portion lasted all but 2 minutes. He would take a couple of bumps from his opponent, shake it off, hit a few knee strikes, Irish whip into the corner, spear, Jackhammer then pin. Of course, he had some matches that lasted longer e.g. versus Hogan or Hall where the only real offence they could muster against him were a few grapples and their finisher. Rousey and Bliss had more in ring time than the average Goldberg match though lol. Besides, what was Bliss supposed to do? The size and skill of her against Rousey can only have been booked the way it did. It would have looked horrendous if Bliss did any kind of damage to Rousey, I would argue. At least she showed some fighting spirit. Bliss’ star power isn’t damaged at all with a loss like on Sunday night, nor would anyone else on the women’s roster. I don’t think anyone expected things to pan out any other way. This is the baddest woman on the planet lol. I’m sure she’d do what she did against Bliss to any of us her forum members
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The Real Chillary
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Post by The Real Chillary on Aug 21, 2018 19:10:48 GMT -5
Alexa has defeated nearly every women on the roster and yet last night she was obliterated by Rousey. Now looking forward if every future Rousey match will be one sided affairs with her opponent getting zero offence fans will turn big time. Last night left a very bad taste in my mouth and fans will not accept Rousey if her opponents get swung around like weak rag dolls. Why not? We accepted it with Goldberg in his WCW days. Different crowd now though I guess. She could always drop the belt and go after male competitors instead lol The difference is, Goldberg had a much larger talent pool to go through, and worked his way up through jobbers to midcarders to main eventers. The Raw women's division has maybe 10 women, and there is a very short ceiling on where Ronda can go.
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Post by The American Daydream on Aug 21, 2018 19:11:02 GMT -5
The new WWE TV deals. Any number of angry teens crying online are nothing compared to WWE now having the ability to put the most famous female fighter on a poster or roll her out for a press conference or presentation to new broadcast partners. As the numbers show, UFC’s loss is WWE’s gain. Is it Ronda not being there thats a loss for UFC or is Ronda eating 2 L's back to back the loss for UFC? Ronda had a aura to her in the UFC, until she got dropped...twice. At that point she was no longer the baddest woman on the planet or whatever nickname was given to her. Its damaged goods. Outside of fighting maybe Cyborg, does anyone really care to see Ronda fight in the UFC again? Especially knowing the current champ dropped her in 48 seconds and Ronda looked completely lost in the octagon. You're right. Brock isn't a draw for UFC either since he lost. He must not have been a loss for UFC or addition for WWE since he lost too.
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