Bob Bob Bobelow
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Post by Bob Bob Bobelow on Aug 26, 2018 22:06:50 GMT -5
I'm curious to know everyone's thoughts on SummerSlam 1993. There's quite a bit going on...
Bret vs. Lawler to determined the real king Lex Luger trying to be the next Hulk Hogan and win the WWF World Championship from Yokozuna Shawn Michaels defends the WWF IC Championship against Mr. Perfect
Those are the three major angles. I'm curious to see if anyone was sold on Luger at this point or if it came across as being shoved down your throat.
I look forward to discussion!
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koreygunz
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Post by koreygunz on Aug 27, 2018 8:39:03 GMT -5
Granted I was only 8 at the time, but I thought it was a good show. Even going back and watching it now it is enjoyable- Bret/Doink is good, as was the Lawler angle, Steiner/HB was solid, Perfect vs HBK was just "off."
It still makes no sense to me that Luger didnt get the title here. It was literally the theme of the show. If you wanted to put Yoko over as a huge heel, just have him win somehow, but the count out finish and then celebrating like Luger had just become president was stupid. Luger should have gotten the belt.
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Post by The Brain on Aug 27, 2018 15:36:56 GMT -5
It was a decent SSlam but that's about it.
The Bret/King/Doink stuff,Steiners/Bodies were the main highlights for me. HBK/Perfect had so much potential but fell flat. Still to this day I don't get why they didn't give Luger the belt. Pushed all Summer long and in the end he fails to win the belt SMH. I've said this many times but they should've never axed the Narcissist character.
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Post by nibs92 on Aug 27, 2018 16:14:26 GMT -5
Decent enough card and miles better than the wrestle mania offering that year.
Dibiase’s last PPV match for the WWF and good to see him doing the right thing for Razor.
I’ve always enjoyed IRS v 123 Kid. We also had the start of a push for Ludvig Borga that ultimately had no pay off. But was good while it lasted
The Bret/Lawler feud was great and got a kick out of the Lawler fake injury angle at the time.
The Main event was a bit confusing. Unfortunately, Lex wasn’t the saviour we all hoped. The match would have made more sense long term if Luger had won the Rumble and beat Yokozuna for the title at WMX but don’t have any complaints how it worked out in the end (a classic match between the Hart brothers and Bret getting the title).
My only complaint about the Main event here was the over the top celebration for a count out victory. just made Lex look a bit of an idiot. Vince should have pulled the trigger and gone with Luger. Even a three month run would have shook things up. Have him drop it back to Yoko at either SSeries or the rumble and have Bret win at WM.
But overall Summerslam was well worth a watch
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Post by The Brain on Aug 27, 2018 16:27:26 GMT -5
I really liked the Borga squash as well. I thought the dude had a ton of potential in the evil heel foreigner role. Shame it didn't last long.
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Post by Gorilla on Aug 27, 2018 20:24:54 GMT -5
I've never been a Luger fan. Not a huge fan of the event
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Post by warriorlynx on Aug 27, 2018 20:49:01 GMT -5
I got behind Luger despite wondering why he was trying to be Hogan. I was all pumped up for him to win the title and...wth.
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Post by TheEvilDoink1987 on Aug 27, 2018 22:00:12 GMT -5
I'm going to focus on some of the other stuff from that PPV since mostly everyone agrees on the mishandling of the main event.
The opener between Razor and DiBiase was solid. Always thought Razor looked awesome in that pink attire. This was his first PPV match as a babyface. Almost felt like a changing of the guard here as it ended up being DiBiase's final match in the WWF while Razor's star was on the rise as he would become one of the companies most popular characters for the next few years.
I love the Tag Team title match. The Heavenly Bodies were booked pretty crappy for most of their WWF run, but they could go. And Jimmy Del Ray gyrating is one of the most awesome/disturbing things ever seen. The Steiners spent so much of that summer feuding against Money Inc. so it was refreshing to see them get some fresh opponents. Lots of great spots in this one with Cornette drawing a ton of heat. Just a great old school tag match.
I.R.S. versus the 1-2-3 Kid was okay. I think I.R.S. winning clean just felt deflating as everybody was kind of expecting the Kid to get another upset win. The crowd wasn't really into this one at all anyway.
HBK and Perfect. One of the most anticipated DUDs ever. This should have been a classic with two of the greatest Intercontinental champs going at it for the first time on one of the biggest shows of the year. But it fell on its face. These two were always best at making their opponent look amazing so their clash of similar styles is probably what resulted in this one being a stinker. This would be Perfect's last PPV match in the WWF until the 2002 Royal Rumble which would also be his final PPV appearance. Kind of crazy because at the time it looked like he was just getting back into his old form after coming back from his back injury.
The whole Bret/Lawler/Doink angle was just pure entertainment. Just great storytelling overall with Lawler getting some NUCLEAR heat. Fans hated him and wanted to see Bret kick his ass! The Bret/Doink match was excellent, although it seems forgotten in the madness. When Bret finally gets his hands on Lawler the roof blows off!
The ending is pretty brilliant too because even though Bret just beats the hell out of Lawler and exacts his revenge, Jerry gets the cheap decision. Such a shame Lawler got caught up in those legal issues because this was for sure one of the hottest feuds in wrestling at the time. Of course they would rekindle the rivalry down the road and the matches were always entertaining, if not sometimes kind of silly.
Ludvig Borga killed poor Marty Jannetty. You know they were pushing Borga hard. He never leaves his feet once the entire match. To his credit, Marty sold everything like a champ and made Borga look like a million bucks.
The 6-man tag match was kind of chaotic, but very fun! Heenan was hilarious saying that Tatanka and the Smokin' Gunns couldn't get on the same page because "cowboys and indians never get along." Very cool spot at the end when all the heels ascend the top rope for a three-post massacre, but Tatanka moves out of the way and gets the W.
Undertaker against Giant Gonzalez wasn't much fun. I'll at least admit it is better than their Wrestlemania debacle. Still awful though as Taker was in the midst of his multi-year streak of having some of the worst, most immobile opponents ever. Paul Bearer returning got a great pop and when he got the urn back the place went crazy. Still, the best thing about the match is that it signaled the end of this miserable feud.
This show is also known for being the PPV debut and swan song for backstage interviewer Joe Fowler. He got a decent amount of air time and, I'll be honest, I thought he was pretty good. His energy was great and he seemed like a professional who did his role well. I'm not sure why his time with the company was so brief, especially since Mean Gene was about to leave the company and they'd be in need of a new backstage guy. If you never heard of him, tune in to QVC as the guy does a million infomercials for all kinds of products.
The highlight of the PPV comes from his pre-match interview with Yokozuna, Mr. Fuji and Cornette. Joe is saying how it has been a night of surprises so far. He mentions Jerry Lawler coming out on crutches and Paul Bearer returning. He concludes with, "Might the next surprise be, Lex Luger takes the belt?"
Cornette's response...
"I'll tell you the biggest surprise... your employment." 😂😂😂😂😂
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Post by hbkbigdaddycool on Aug 27, 2018 22:30:08 GMT -5
I was 12 years old at the time, and I loved the event. But to this day, why didn't Lex Luger become WWE Champion?? Looking back now, you can see Vince was hoping to crown that moment at Wrestlemania X, but I guess he didn't think Bret Hart fans would still be there by that event, and somehow Bret had more fanfare than he did in 1992 when he first won the WWE Title.
Lex should have won it at SummerSlam, lost it back to Yokozuna at Royal Rumble if they wanted to go with Bret then. Or have Lex just hold it until his popularity dies out.
It's a shame Lex never held any WWE gold of any kind. Even an IC Title reign would have been nice, and I swear that he and Bulldog were gonna be Tag Champions in 1995, but it never happened.
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Post by drnickriviera995 on Aug 27, 2018 23:51:09 GMT -5
I was young at the time, so I really bought into Luger lol. Looking back, I liked the guy and the angle anyway. He was over as a top heel, and then when he turns up on the Intrepid, just because he's American, it was a cool moment.
Yes, him not getting the belt really killed it for him, but in the long run I think it worked out. I have very fond memories of Yoko's title run, it's something they never really did back then was to give a heel a decent run. I was glued to the product and so dedicated to see who could take him out.
I was behind Crush hard, and even Macho when he got a shot on Raw. And I went to a show at our local fair labor day weekend to see Bret get a chance in a cage.
And then when Taker took Tanto's place in SS! Epic! Thought for sure Taker would get the strap at rumble.
I was more behind Bret than Luger at Mania, so glad Bret got it back in the end, but wished Luger had won the first match and faced Bret. Could have potentially been a good bout.
Sorry, not so much my thoughts on Summer Slam, but the aftermath lol.
Great memories.
And I was still into Luger until he left for WCW and then after too. Never got why they buried him like they did. Should have at least stayed near the top of the card, IC run, or at least him and Bulldog should have gotten the tag belts.
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Post by Hulkster2001 on Aug 28, 2018 6:57:33 GMT -5
I got behind Luger despite wondering why he was trying to be Hogan. I was all pumped up for him to win the title and...wth. Blame the locker room my friend, they were the second biggest marks for the Hitman
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Post by TheEvilDoink1987 on Aug 28, 2018 21:06:15 GMT -5
I got behind Luger despite wondering why he was trying to be Hogan. I was all pumped up for him to win the title and...wth. Blame the locker room my friend, they were the second biggest marks for the Hitman I think Lex not winning the belt at Summerslam had more to do with Vince trying to milk the payoff of him chasing Yokozuna until Wrestlemania X than it did with who the locker room liked. Vince got cold feet. Lex was still going to be his #1 project moving forward, but he probably wanted an even bigger payoff. I can kind of see his thinking though as Lex Luger was going from the mid-card Narcissist to patriotic WWF champion in a span of maybe 7 weeks? Maybe even somewhere in Vince's warped mind he realized that was a short turnaround for the fans to swallow when, in hindsight, it was the hottest Lex was going to be in terms of fan support. He got greedy and didn't strike while the iron was hot.
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Post by Hulkster2001 on Aug 29, 2018 7:01:45 GMT -5
I remember hearing that the lockeroom threatened to walk out if Luger won and so Vince changed it.
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Post by JokerFC on Aug 29, 2018 13:46:17 GMT -5
Like this event....always have but the ending is such a head scratcher!!!
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Post by The Brain on Aug 29, 2018 18:38:02 GMT -5
Joe Fowler was horrible lol. Right after this they had em replace Mean Gene on All American. I really felt bad for Bobby having to work with him. I know he was gone before the SSeries hit.
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Post by JokerFC on Aug 30, 2018 8:56:01 GMT -5
I remember this event was on a Monday....My neighbour taped it for me and I sat down to watch it Tuesday night...was GLUED to it all the way through & was totally amazed Lex didn't win. Even as a 13 year old I was well confused at the mass celebrations, balloons etc.....Vinces insanity on commentary over this result was equally confusing I thought?
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Post by warriorlynx on Aug 30, 2018 13:36:39 GMT -5
I remember this event was on a Monday....My neighbour taped it for me and I sat down to watch it Tuesday night...was GLUED to it all the way through & was totally amazed Lex didn't win. Even as a 13 year old I was well confused at the mass celebrations, balloons etc.....Vinces insanity on commentary over this result was equally confusing I thought? Cause he did it for 'merica!!! That's the lame justification.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2018 13:42:34 GMT -5
Today is the 25 year anniversary of this show. I'll probably watch it when I get home. I enjoyed the show.
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Post by cordless2016 on Sept 3, 2018 17:52:40 GMT -5
It was a dumb as hell ending. Vince didn’t have enough faith in Luger yet had him celebrate at the end like an idiot with the rest of the roster.
I honestly hated Luger’s face turn and thought that the “Narcissist” gimmick was perfect for him.
I’d have booked Savage to win the ‘93 Rumble. I’d then book WM with these top matches...
WWF Title Bret Hart (c) vs Randy Savage Hulk Hogan vs Yokozuna
Bret would beat Randy while Yoko beat Hogan due to schenanigans. We get to the 1993 KOTR where Luger wins the tournament and Bret successfully defends the title against Yoko.
At SummerSlam, a still heel Luger beats Bret for the title. Over the next 6-7 months he retains the title against challengers like The Undertaker and Bam Bam Bigelow while refusing to face Bret again. Bret wins the 1994 Royal Rumble and takes the title back from Luger at WM10.
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