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Post by tg11 on Sept 5, 2018 12:29:58 GMT -5
As far as the infamous WWF/WCW/ECW invasion of 2001 how would you rebook that angle? If the big stars were available and the whole Time Warner contract issues were not a problem then how would you go about booking?
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Post by Lorenzo Alcazar on Sept 5, 2018 13:02:18 GMT -5
I know WWF kinda wanted to strike while the iron was hot with the WCW acquisition....but they seriously should have waited until they had access to the main event stars who were sitting out the remainder of their contracts. The invasion just couldn't work with the level of talent that WWE had access to at that time. But I don't think that was ever the point. I think that the entire point of the invasion was for WWF to once again celebrate putting both WCW and ECW out of business...it wasn't about making the Alliance look good or making it work.
Because honestly, if WCW had invaded with Hall, Nash, Hogan, Savage, Goldberg, Flair, Steiner, and Sting instead of a bunch of jabroni's.....was Vince going to crush that team? Embarrass them? Have them kiss Steve Austin's ass and throw him birthday parties and appreciation parties? No. Was Steve Austin going to tell Sting to take off his shirt, I need to whip you? NO.
The WCW group and even the ECW guys were all just went to be a goon squad that they could embarrass. Plain and simple.
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Post by sonstuds on Sept 5, 2018 13:02:26 GMT -5
A lot of it's just personal preference, so I certainly wouldn't have made guys like Mike Awesome and Justin Credible jobbers. Apart from that I'd have said screw it and have had RVD win the title during that triple threat vs. Austin and Angle. Van Damn being so over they actually made him a face was awesome.
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Post by warriorlynx on Sept 5, 2018 14:28:45 GMT -5
I did a diary about this, packaged Booker T as the biggest star there ever was outside of WWF and kept the US and World title on him, giving him big wins over WWF stars, this way the threat would feel real.
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Post by K5 on Sept 5, 2018 22:56:08 GMT -5
it would start with sting dropping from the rafters. he tries to make it to Austin but is seperated by security, before he breaks free and leaves through the crowd.
at next ppv have NWO debut (hogan/Nash/hall) and have them do the classic nWo beat down, destroying all the cameras to end the ppv. other cronies like bagwell and Steiner backing them up.
hogan vs Austin in the cage for title. nwo keeps interfering and keeping the wwf guys from being able to help Austin. Austin starts getting screwed over and sting drops from ceiling and helps Austin. On Raw next night Sting explains he was trying to warn Austin and brought friends. enter Luger and DDP.
Austin/Sting/Luger/DDP vs NWO
as for the other wcw talent and Ecw talent, they could simply join the roster as needed.
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Post by TheEvilDoink1987 on Sept 6, 2018 3:12:21 GMT -5
Literally, almost any idea would be better than what we got. Nothing more than a McMahon family circle-jerk with a few WCW and ECW mid-carders sprinkled in.
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Post by TheSystem 1.5 on Sept 6, 2018 5:42:32 GMT -5
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Post by Nev Jones on Sept 6, 2018 6:37:30 GMT -5
I’d have WCW buy WWF and force the McMahons out of wrestling.
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Post by Hulkster2001 on Sept 6, 2018 7:52:49 GMT -5
Austin remains face at Mania X-7, Goldberg debuts and spears him at Summerslam, the nWo (Hogan/Hall/Nash/& Bishoff) debut the next ppv alongside other WCW guys, Hogan with help from the nWo wins the WWF title and spray paints it nWo, at Survivor Series Sting debuts and attacks the Undertaker who’s having a buried alive match with Luger, WCW wins the Survivor Series match with Bishoff mocking a defeated Vince, Austin wins the 2002 rumble (Bishoff decided to keep WWF ppvs to mock the McMahons), and it ends at Mania X8 with Austin defeating Hogan to not only gain back the title but to kill WCW for good.
Match results for Mania X8
Rob Van Dam (WWF) def. William Regal (c) (WCW) to become the new WWF Intercontinental Champion
Scott Steiner (nWo/WCW) def. Kane (WWF) via KO with the Steiner Recliner
Lex Luger (WCW) def. Rikishi (WWF) via submission with the torture rack
Rey Mysterio (WCW) def. Christian (c) (WWF) to become the new WWF European Champion
Booker T (WCW) def. Kurt Angle (WWF)
The Big Show (WWF) def. Jeff Jarret (WCW)
The Outsiders (Scott Hall and Kevin Nash) (nWo/WCW) def. D-Generation X (Triple H and Shawn Michaels) (WWF)
Goldberg (c) (WCW) def. Mr. Perfect (WWF) to retain the WCW Championship
Chris Jericho (WWF) def. Ric Flair (WCW)
Vince McMahon (w/ Stephanie McMahon) (WWF) def. Eric Bischoff (WCW) in a No Holds Barred match
The Undertaker (w/ Paul Bearer) (WWF) def. Sting
The Rock (WWF) def. DDP (WCW)
Stone Cold Steve Austin (WWF) def. Hollywood Hulk Hogan (c) (nWo/WCW) to become the new WWF Champion and to end WCW forever
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Post by warriorlynx on Sept 6, 2018 8:48:24 GMT -5
The biggest problem is that the big WCW stars would rather stay home and collect their money without having to work at all since many of them were still under contract with AOL Time Warner. Plus I highly doubt Vince was interested in spending millions upon millions to buy off these contracts so the Invasion happened as it did, but it was poorly done.
The way I see the purchase of WCW is WWF bought a failed product with low-mid card guys and was expecting to make tons of money off of a failed product. Vince was better off with just keeping the WCW library than ruining his own product. It only catered to "Wrestling Fans", as the masses were probably wondering "who the f are these guys? I want Austin or the Rock not this $hit!" Basically the masses started to turn away while Wrestling Fans tuned in, and business went into a decline in 2002-2003 because of it all and no matter how many guys you bring in like Goldberg and Steiner, it wasn't enough.
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Post by havoc7179 on Sept 6, 2018 8:57:31 GMT -5
If this is to true:
Could be revisionist history, but looks like Vince had big plans until he couldn't get a TV deal other than Shotgun Saturday Night hours for WCW. Then the debacle of the first match coupled with the XFL debacle made him gun shy. I think the proposed second invasion would have helped big time.
I'd have done something similar.
Had the original invasion with guys like Booker, Shawn Stasiak, Sean O'Haire, and the other young ins. Keep Buff away.
Have it fail miserably.
Then, bring in Flair. Flair comes back and says something like "What you dealt with 3 years ago was the new blood of WCW. Those guys weren't WCW. Those guys were pretenders to the throne. We're WCW." and have him bring out Hogan, Nash, Hall, Sting, Goldberg, DDP, Luger (if he wasn't already injured by then) Scott Steiner, and Buff Bagwell.
Basically the storyline would be the original invasion were dumb and young ex WCWers who jumped the gun without a plan. They were the guys who rushed into battle thinking they could defeat the mighty WWE. The fools who were all a big part of the New Blood era. The wannabe stars who were supposed to lead wcw into the new era. The second invasion was a biding their time type of story involving the millionaire club and magnificent seven--the real stars of WCW. Have them trade wins and losses. Have WCW and WWE face at Survivor Series similar to how Raw and SDL face. If WCW's stars won, they get to take over the then Smackdown program. WWE wins. But much like how Vince still gave Shane control of SDL in the end, Vince claims he liked the competition and hands over Smackdown to Flair to run WCW.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2018 15:02:32 GMT -5
To me wrestling has not been the same since wwe bought wcw and botched the invasion. That could have been the storyline of the century.
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Post by tg11 on Sept 6, 2018 20:07:01 GMT -5
Think of the dream matches you could have had during the Angle if it was done right
Goldberg vs Stone Cold Steve Austin
Hogan vs Austin
Sting vs The Undertaker (even though at the time Taker was in his American Badass persona)
Sting vs The Rock
Sting vs Stone Cold Steve Austin
Sting vs Triple H years earlier
Goldberg vs Triple H years earlier
Goldberg vs Taker
Flair vs Angle
Flair vs Rock
Flair vs Austin
DDP vs The Rock
DDP vs HHH
DDP vs Austin
I could go on and on
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2018 21:12:40 GMT -5
Think of the dream matches you could have had during the Angle if it was done right Goldberg vs Stone Cold Steve Austin Hogan vs Austin Sting vs The Undertaker (even though at the time Taker was in his American Badass persona) Sting vs The Rock Sting vs Stone Cold Steve Austin Sting vs Triple H years earlier Goldberg vs Triple H years earlier Goldberg vs Taker Flair vs Angle Flair vs Rock Flair vs Austin DDP vs The Rock DDP vs HHH DDP vs Austin I could go on and on It would have been better than the attitude era I think! |
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Post by warriorlynx on Sept 7, 2018 9:10:07 GMT -5
Think of the dream matches you could have had during the Angle if it was done right Goldberg vs Stone Cold Steve Austin Hogan vs Austin Sting vs The Undertaker (even though at the time Taker was in his American Badass persona) Sting vs The Rock Sting vs Stone Cold Steve Austin Sting vs Triple H years earlier Goldberg vs Triple H years earlier Goldberg vs Taker Flair vs Angle Flair vs Rock Flair vs Austin DDP vs The Rock DDP vs HHH DDP vs Austin I could go on and on It would have been better than the attitude era I think! We still kind of had some dream matches though and Flair vs. Austin did happen, but for free lol. They should've had Flair vs. Austin at Wrestlemania 18. Attitude Era was basically the Space Race between the US and Soviets, that drive and desire was what made it special and probably can't be duplicated. |
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Post by drifter on Sept 7, 2018 11:52:37 GMT -5
One thing that I always would have thought would have been interesting, but may have been hard to pull off, involved ECW. I'd have still had them involved, but for one, I wouldn't have had them join forces with WCW. They should kept ECW has the rebels, maybe playing both the WWF and WCW off of each other, for their own gains. I know it's an old movie reference, but kinda like Clint Eastwood in A Fistful of Dollars, playing to two big families off of each other, for his own gain, that's what ECW should have been.
And even with the WCW talent they had gotten at the time, they could have made things work, if they had just made them seem on level with WWF guys. Hell, even the DDP stalker angle could have still worked with some tweeks, playing more into the mind games, and letting him throw Undertaker off his game, instead of just having him become Taker's punching bag over and over. And instead of having Austin having guys like Jericho or Big Show, joining the enemy would have been better. Having defectors was fine, but a lot of the time, especially one that went from WWF to the Alliance, they had the wrong guys. Test, Angle and Christian should have never turned, when you had talent like Tajiri, Al Snow or Spike Dudley to name a few, that would have worked better. Another big one, is I would have held off a few months on really kick starting the whole angle. This would have then maybe allowed being able to get some more guys on board to get involved in it, as well as some guys that were on the shelf that could have been a part of it being able to come back for the angle.
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Post by JokerFC on Sept 7, 2018 14:08:03 GMT -5
Ill be back with more elaborate thoughts......but to start?
Austin DOES NOT TURN HEEL on WWF. Terrible on every conceivable level.
nWo is not involved at the start.
Sting is not Involved with WWF until the nWo is.
They needed very little more to make it work. But Ill be back....
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Post by tg11 on Sept 7, 2018 20:02:09 GMT -5
Well you could have had the big names show up like nWo (Hogan, Hall, Nash), Sting, Flair, Luger, Jeff Jarrett just to name a few
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Post by nibs92 on Sept 8, 2018 10:42:01 GMT -5
There is so many scenarios I’d need a week and a whole thread just to scratch the surface. I think the key elements had to be:
Keep WCW pure and a separate entity. Having WCW owned by a McMahon and led by the biggest star of the attitude era doesn’t give the impression of a different company. While they may not have been available, having Bischoff or even Flair as “owner” would have lent more credence to the angle. Ideally, Sting should have been the top star, but even Booker T or DDP would have been accepted, with the right build up, as equals to the Rock, Austin et al.
Make WCW competitive. DDP v Undertaker was WWF Employee v WWF Employee. Whilst every fan has their favourite of who they want to win a match/feud, the real winner was always going to be WWF. Had DDP been seen as more of a threat, even getting a few victories along the way, they could have launched the whole invasion angle off the back of that. The handling of the whole storyline ruined the invasion concept for me before it even got going. I believe that if the whole storyline was handled correctly, we’d still be seeing supercards between WCW and WWF.
Cater to the WCW fans. I remember reading about the first WCW match on WWF television - the Booker T v Bagwell match. The writer acknowledged that fan reaction was poor and that if the match was held in a WCW stronghold, like Atlanta, that the reaction would have been much better. If Vince and Co and held off and launched properly, WCW would have been received so much better and been taken more seriously. They could have catered to the tastes of WCW fans of old (for example cruiser weights) all the while building up talent to take on the WWF. There was a fan base already loyal to WCW that would have happily shelled out on merchandise and PPV’s had they been treated with respect and given a product that they could emotionally invest in.
And finally my last point would be have patience. The whole thing felt so rushed. Whether they tried to establish WCW as a separate company or not, there was no real rush. WWF owned the rights to the name, the video library, contracts etc. And were the only game in town. Holding off until more established stars were available (they clearly weren’t too interested in buying out the time warner contracts) would have made for a much better angle. There was so much money to be made (check the Invasion PPV buy rate) and a keen interest in cross promotional matches that the majority of fans would gladly wait a few months for what should have been the greatest storyline of all time.
I hope I’m making sense as I could feel my blood boiling as I typed. It was a once in a lifetime opportunity and Vince blew it. He practically owned wrestling at that point, was his ego so big that he couldn’t allow a federation he’d already beat get the upper hand before ultimately beating them in a storyline? Even if WCW had won the invasion and put the WWF “out of business”, the McMahon family were still going to be the winners. A total waste of an opportunity
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Post by greenjack1992 on Sept 8, 2018 16:26:15 GMT -5
If it were me in charge, it would have happened in 2003 when all the WCW guys were available.
Eric Bischoff has been Raw GM for around a year, using the nWo as his muscle, putting former WCW talent over at every turn.
The WWE squad is led by The Undertaker, The Rock, Triple H, the-soon-to-retire Stone Cold Steve Austin and the-recently-returned Shawn Michaels.
The whole thing comes to a head at WrestleMania 20 when Hulk Hogan defects to the WWE side, turning mega-face and winning it for WWE.
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