Thunder Chunky
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Post by Thunder Chunky on Sept 27, 2018 22:06:15 GMT -5
Its not for the fans its for a paycheque Especially if saudi arabi is gonna be better financially than wrestlemania. Not sure if serious but of course its also for the fans, I would like to see him. That's not what he meant. He's not coming back for us. He's coming back for the money.
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Post by Rated [R] NinJa on Sept 28, 2018 0:24:54 GMT -5
What bout the austin rumors
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TheEvilDoink1987
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Post by TheEvilDoink1987 on Sept 28, 2018 4:27:35 GMT -5
What bout the austin rumors For as BIG and GROUND-BREAKING as these Saudi Arabia events are, the crowd for the last PPV was beyond awful. I'm sure the wrestlers hate it as well since they usually feed off the crowd reactions to gauge the tempo of the match. Most of the audience was just sitting on their hands not even caring. I never knew 100,000 people could be such a non-factor. Wasting all these returns in front of such an unenthusiastic crowd would (potentially will) be a total buzzkill.
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Post by Rated [R] NinJa on Sept 28, 2018 6:17:23 GMT -5
For as BIG and GROUND-BREAKING as these Saudi Arabia events are, the crowd for the last PPV was beyond awful. I'm sure the wrestlers hate it as well since they usually feed off the crowd reactions to gauge the tempo of the match. Most of the audience was just sitting on their hands not even caring. I never knew 100,000 people could be such a non-factor. Wasting all these returns in front of such an unenthusiastic crowd would (potentially will) be a total buzzkill. True but most wrestlers also just do it for the paycheck which you can’t really blame them for.
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Post by BØRNS on Sept 28, 2018 13:51:40 GMT -5
For as BIG and GROUND-BREAKING as these Saudi Arabia events are, the crowd for the last PPV was beyond awful. I'm sure the wrestlers hate it as well since they usually feed off the crowd reactions to gauge the tempo of the match. Most of the audience was just sitting on their hands not even caring. I never knew 100,000 people could be such a non-factor. Wasting all these returns in front of such an unenthusiastic crowd would (potentially will) be a total buzzkill. Saudi Arabia is killing pro wrestling for us.
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Post by strongstyle94 on Sept 28, 2018 21:44:44 GMT -5
id be pissed if he came out of retirement and partook in any match having to even do with undertaker or triple h, do something new,so many dream matches,and cool ways for him to put someone over, i highly doubt were gonna even get a mid 2000s shawn work rate shawn anyways, so its not like im gonna expect a classic out of it, i just dont wanna watch these dinosaurs fight each other anymore, they could do mentor vs student with daniel brian (who i havent been able to stand since 2009), dx could maybe put over ziggler and drew, aj vs hbk is a dream match for sure, hbk vs almas , so much good crap you could book, why put him with people who are past there prime, make him coming out mean something, and if you fight younger guys be the opposite of flair and dont just beat guys like edge carlito chris masters and orton in your 60s actually put them over,
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TheBadGuyChico
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Post by TheBadGuyChico on Sept 28, 2018 21:56:05 GMT -5
id be pissed if he came out of retirement and partook in any match having to even do with undertaker or triple h, do something new,so many dream matches,and cool ways for him to put someone over, i highly doubt were gonna even get a mid 2000s shawn work rate shawn anyways, so its not like im gonna expect a classic out of it, i just dont wanna watch these dinosaurs fight each other anymore, they could do mentor vs student with daniel brian (who i havent been able to stand since 2009), dx could maybe put over ziggler and drew, aj vs hbk is a dream match for sure, hbk vs almas , so much good crap you could book, why put him with people who are past there prime, make him coming out mean something, and if you fight younger guys be the opposite of flair and dont just beat guys like edge carlito chris masters and orton in your 60s actually put them over, The audience WWE is catering to doesn't want to see that. Big Name vs big name gets it done. Much more mainstream appeal in the Rock vs Triple H than any other Rocky match. Same goes for Michaels, him and Taker will do better business than him and Almas would.
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strongstyle94
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Post by strongstyle94 on Sept 28, 2018 23:11:27 GMT -5
id be pissed if he came out of retirement and partook in any match having to even do with undertaker or triple h, do something new,so many dream matches,and cool ways for him to put someone over, i highly doubt were gonna even get a mid 2000s shawn work rate shawn anyways, so its not like im gonna expect a classic out of it, i just dont wanna watch these dinosaurs fight each other anymore, they could do mentor vs student with daniel brian (who i havent been able to stand since 2009), dx could maybe put over ziggler and drew, aj vs hbk is a dream match for sure, hbk vs almas , so much good crap you could book, why put him with people who are past there prime, make him coming out mean something, and if you fight younger guys be the opposite of flair and dont just beat guys like edge carlito chris masters and orton in your 60s actually put them over, The audience WWE is catering to doesn't want to see that. Big Name vs big name gets it done. Much more mainstream appeal in the Rock vs Triple H than any other Rocky match. Same goes for Michaels, him and Taker will do better business than him and Almas would. not if its built properly no not at all ! would do everyone better business wise to actually, because if its executed properly that person becomes a draw and becomes a big name ! the only people wwe is catering to having the brothers of destruction against dx is intellectually- disabled people who actually think thats a match,four people past 40 headlocking and wrist locking each other while they do a bunch of lame gimmics that time hasnt been kind to, thats an insult to fans of in ring competition and grapple arts, thats worse then when piper and flair were tag team champions on raw, i hope all these guys never hit the ropes if they all come out of retirement and dont put anyone over, it really doesnt effect me considering i hardly watch wwe, im not talking about saudi arabia either im talking long term, i really hope they dont waste hbk coming out of retirement on him against taker, its obvious triple h is gonna win at the Australia event, which means nothing because who actually cares about seeing either of those two , so much better out there, even with in the company, theres so much better,
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Post by Rated [R] NinJa on Sept 28, 2018 23:50:06 GMT -5
The audience WWE is catering to doesn't want to see that. Big Name vs big name gets it done. Much more mainstream appeal in the Rock vs Triple H than any other Rocky match. Same goes for Michaels, him and Taker will do better business than him and Almas would. not if its built properly no not at all ! would do everyone better business wise to actually, because if its executed properly that person becomes a draw and becomes a big name ! the only people wwe is catering to having the brothers of destruction against dx is intellectually- disabled people who actually think thats a match,four people past 40 headlocking and wrist locking each other while they do a bunch of lame gimmics that time hasnt been kind to, thats an insult to fans of in ring competition and grapple arts, thats worse then when piper and flair were tag team champions on raw, i hope all these guys never hit the ropes if they all come out of retirement and dont put anyone over, it really doesnt effect me considering i hardly watch wwe, im not talking about saudi arabia either im talking long term, i really hope they dont waste hbk coming out of retirement on him against taker, its obvious triple h is gonna win at the Australia event, which means nothing because who actually cares about seeing either of those two , so much better out there, even with in the company, theres so much better, You’re actually pretty vocal about something that doesn’t affect you lol and a lot of people have expressed interest in seeing Taker/HHH again since Triple H’s first promo about it a few weeks ago so people do care. I’ve never understood how people can bitch about something they don’t even watch, y’all just attracted to that negativity 🤦🏽♂️
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Post by strongstyle94 on Sept 29, 2018 0:00:36 GMT -5
not if its built properly no not at all ! would do everyone better business wise to actually, because if its executed properly that person becomes a draw and becomes a big name ! the only people wwe is catering to having the brothers of destruction against dx is intellectually- disabled people who actually think thats a match,four people past 40 headlocking and wrist locking each other while they do a bunch of lame gimmics that time hasnt been kind to, thats an insult to fans of in ring competition and grapple arts, thats worse then when piper and flair were tag team champions on raw, i hope all these guys never hit the ropes if they all come out of retirement and dont put anyone over, it really doesnt effect me considering i hardly watch wwe, im not talking about saudi arabia either im talking long term, i really hope they dont waste hbk coming out of retirement on him against taker, its obvious triple h is gonna win at the Australia event, which means nothing because who actually cares about seeing either of those two , so much better out there, even with in the company, theres so much better, You’re actually pretty vocal about something that doesn’t affect you lol and a lot of people have expressed interest in seeing Taker/HHH again since Triple H’s first promo about it a few weeks ago so people do care. I’ve never understood how people can bitch about something they don’t even watch, y’all just attracted to that negativity 🤦🏽♂️ didnt say i never ever watch the product, i hardly watch raw or smackdown, maybe im vocal cause i used to be a shawn michaels fan ? or because as a wrestling fan you can have an opinion and make points,my point i was making (that you also avoided) was that there not utilizing shawn coming out of retirement properly, and its more benifical if he goes against anyone except taker, there cant be any possible way anyone who actually cares for this is expecting a good wrestling match between undertaker and triple h, its all for nostalgia, there last two wrestlemania matches wernt as good as the internet made them out to be, the pace of there matches is sluggish at best,
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Post by Rated [R] NinJa on Sept 29, 2018 0:31:06 GMT -5
You’re actually pretty vocal about something that doesn’t affect you lol and a lot of people have expressed interest in seeing Taker/HHH again since Triple H’s first promo about it a few weeks ago so people do care. I’ve never understood how people can bitch about something they don’t even watch, y’all just attracted to that negativity 🤦🏽♂️ didnt say i never ever watch the product, i hardly watch raw or smackdown, maybe im vocal cause i used to be a shawn michaels fan ? or because as a wrestling fan you can have an opinion and make points,my point i was making (that you also avoided) was that there not utilizing shawn coming out of retirement properly, and its more benifical if he goes against anyone except taker, there cant be any possible way anyone who actually cares for this is expecting a good wrestling match between undertaker and triple h, its all for nostalgia, there last two wrestlemania matches wernt as good as the internet made them out to be, the pace of there matches is sluggish at best, Fine, I’ll address your points, keep in mind Daniel Bryan is heavily involved in a storyline with Miz, AJ with Samoa Joe and Ziggler & McIntyre with Rollins & Ambrose: - Daniel Bryan doesn’t need to beat Shawn Michaels to get over - AJ Styles doesn’t need to beat Shawn Michaels to get over - Andrade Cien Almas (who I am a fan of) isn’t even established enough or credible to be in the same ring with Shawn Michaels - Ziggler & McIntyre beating DX WILL be forgotten within a month if it happened So really, no it won’t be beneficial. I don’t get why anyone would wanna see him come out of retirement to try and make a new star with one match, it doesn’t work that way, it wouldn’t work. If he returns after 8 years then let him work with 3 other experienced guys he’s comfortable with to lighten his load especially when all 4 are perfectly capable of having a decent match. There’s absolutely nothing wrong with nostalgia and not everybody has to comeback to put over new talent. Also I thought their WM27 and WM28 matches were fine and told a great story 🤷🏽♂️ You’d be surprised how enjoyable wrestling can be when you watch it with no expectations, I’d heavily suggest you try it.
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Post by strongstyle94 on Sept 29, 2018 0:46:12 GMT -5
didnt say i never ever watch the product, i hardly watch raw or smackdown, maybe im vocal cause i used to be a shawn michaels fan ? or because as a wrestling fan you can have an opinion and make points,my point i was making (that you also avoided) was that there not utilizing shawn coming out of retirement properly, and its more benifical if he goes against anyone except taker, there cant be any possible way anyone who actually cares for this is expecting a good wrestling match between undertaker and triple h, its all for nostalgia, there last two wrestlemania matches wernt as good as the internet made them out to be, the pace of there matches is sluggish at best, Fine, I’ll address your points, keep in mind Daniel Bryan is heavily involved in a storyline with Miz, AJ with Samoa Joe and Ziggler & McIntyre with Rollins & Ambrose: - Daniel Bryan doesn’t need to beat Shawn Michaels to get over - AJ Styles doesn’t need to beat Shawn Michaels to get over - Andrade Cien Almas (who I am a fan of) isn’t even established enough or credible to be in the same ring with Shawn Michaels - Ziggler & McIntyre beating DX WILL be forgotten within a month if it happened So really, no it won’t be beneficial. I don’t get why anyone would wanna see him come out of retirement to try and make a new star with one match, it doesn’t work that way, it wouldn’t work. If he returns after 8 years then let him work with 3 other experienced guys he’s comfortable with to lighten his load especially when all 4 are perfectly capable of having a decent match. There’s absolutely nothing wrong with nostalgia and not everybody has to comeback to put over new talent. Also I thought their WM27 and WM28 matches were fine and told a great story 🤷🏽♂️ You’d be surprised how enjoyable wrestling can be when you watch it with no expectations, I’d heavily suggest you try it. i dont expect anything LOL, i expect seeing good matches when i watch wrestling (not when i watch raw or smackdown or majority of wwe ppvs) the odd time they surprise me, it would work if done properly, if you dont think it wouldnt work then you clearly dont have faith in there future, im not saying they have to wrestle shawn to get over but it makes for better tv, id rather see shawn work someone new, its better for business, you'd be surprized how enjoyable wrestling can be with out gimmics or guys past there prime fighting with each other heavily suggest trying it, i know your used to your watered down product where any time tensity happens in a match its immediately killed with a headlock, and last i checked almas had more five star matches then triple h does under his belt, but i guess your gonna go into how meltzers rating system is biased right ?
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Post by Rated [R] NinJa on Sept 29, 2018 1:15:34 GMT -5
Fine, I’ll address your points, keep in mind Daniel Bryan is heavily involved in a storyline with Miz, AJ with Samoa Joe and Ziggler & McIntyre with Rollins & Ambrose: - Daniel Bryan doesn’t need to beat Shawn Michaels to get over - AJ Styles doesn’t need to beat Shawn Michaels to get over - Andrade Cien Almas (who I am a fan of) isn’t even established enough or credible to be in the same ring with Shawn Michaels - Ziggler & McIntyre beating DX WILL be forgotten within a month if it happened So really, no it won’t be beneficial. I don’t get why anyone would wanna see him come out of retirement to try and make a new star with one match, it doesn’t work that way, it wouldn’t work. If he returns after 8 years then let him work with 3 other experienced guys he’s comfortable with to lighten his load especially when all 4 are perfectly capable of having a decent match. There’s absolutely nothing wrong with nostalgia and not everybody has to comeback to put over new talent. Also I thought their WM27 and WM28 matches were fine and told a great story 🤷🏽♂️ You’d be surprised how enjoyable wrestling can be when you watch it with no expectations, I’d heavily suggest you try it. i dont expect anything LOL, i expect seeing good matches when i watch wrestling (not when i watch raw or smackdown or majority of wwe ppvs) the odd time they surprise me, it would work if done properly, if you dont think it wouldnt work then you clearly dont have faith in there future, im not saying they have to wrestle shawn to get over but it makes for better tv, id rather see shawn work someone new, its better for business, you'd be surprized how enjoyable wrestling can be with out gimmics or guys past there prime fighting with each other heavily suggest trying it, i know your used to your watered down product where any time tensity happens in a match its immediately killed with a headlock, and last i checked almas had more five star matches then triple h does under his belt, but i guess your gonna go into how meltzers rating system is biased right ? You keep saying everything could work if done properly, of course it would if it did but in the real world it doesn’t always work that way. I don’t have faith in Ziggler and McIntyre and think they’re still just a thrown together tag team, Almas however can be built into the next big Mexican Star they wanted Alberto Del-Rio to be but a HBK win isn’t necessarily needed to do that. Just because you think Shawn working with someone new is “best for business” first of all, what business? One match? lol and secondly how good for business would it be if he has no chemistry with them and the match is a complete dud? The “new” guy wouldn’t get the blame, everybody will just say Shawn Michaels doesn’t have it anymore which is what nobody wants to see/hear. Whatever you heavily suggested me doing (I know what you tried to do) didn’t even make sense because I didn’t book Taker/HHH so nice try with that, and as for Almas having more 5 star matches that’s great, I already stated I was a fan so I don’t know what point you’re trying to make there. And one last thing, f*ck Dave Meltzer 🤷🏽♂️
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