bizcliz4life
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Post by bizcliz4life on Dec 4, 2018 20:23:18 GMT -5
Tell me Bill didn't compare Harley Race to Tugboat, Warlord, and Berzerker... Indeed he did. I gladly picked up Warlord and Berzerker, not Tugboat(too plain), but those three are easily far more niche than Race. The hype for Race was huge, even before a formal announcement of the figure. They screwed the pooch on this one.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2018 20:32:38 GMT -5
Tell me Bill didn't compare Harley Race to Tugboat, Warlord, and Berzerker... Indeed he did. I gladly picked up Warlord and Berzerker, not Tugboat(too plain), but those three are easily far more niche than Race. The hype for Race was huge, even before a formal announcement of the figure. They screwed the pooch on this one. I bought all 3 of them and have no desire for King Harley. And I grew up watching him. He was just boring to me.
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Post by disorder on Dec 4, 2018 20:56:54 GMT -5
Tell me Bill didn't compare Harley Race to Tugboat, Warlord, and Berzerker... He means he’s not a well known star to today’s viewer and target demographic of the toys.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2018 21:35:06 GMT -5
Tell me Bill didn't compare Harley Race to Tugboat, Warlord, and Berzerker... He means he’s not a well known star to today’s viewer and target demographic of the toys. This figure is aimed at adult collectors who are familiar with Harley Race and grew up watching him. As for the target demo, I understand its primarily aimed at kids but I was under the impression that Mattel was also catering to older fans including those that grew up watching past eras of wrestling?! If they only care about kids then they should stop releasing figures of older legends because no kid is going to buy a Harley Race or Tugboat figure.
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Post by disorder on Dec 4, 2018 21:46:06 GMT -5
He means he’s not a well known star to today’s viewer and target demographic of the toys. This figure is aimed at adult collectors who are familiar with Harley Race and grew up watching him. As for the target demo, I understand its primarily aimed at kids but I was under the impression that Mattel was also catering to older fans including those that grew up watching past eras of wrestling?! If they only care about kids then they should stop releasing figures of older legends because no kid is going to buy a Harley Race or Tugboat figure. Bill has said plenty of times that the line is directed at kids, but he throws in figures for collectors. See as collectors aren’t the majority of the market, those figures usually end up rotting...so Harley was short packed for that reason
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2018 22:45:37 GMT -5
Bill has said plenty of times that the line is directed at kids, but he throws in figures for collectors. See as collectors aren’t the majority of the market, those figures usually end up rotting...so Harley was short packed for that reason The ones that end up rotting are the niche figures like Tugboat, Berzerker, Magnum TA & Ringmaster that most legends collectors have no interest in. Also, other figures like Network Spotlight Bossman were over produced and rotted shelves. The failure of all these store exclusive lines shows that they don't really know what they are doing as far as legends figures go.
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Post by SteveHulk on Dec 5, 2018 2:51:01 GMT -5
This unfortunately shows quite a lack of foresight from Bill. There is demand for this figure, which is going for anywhere from three to five times the price on eBay. I still don't understand why if it's a figure that isn't likely to sell as well -- which apparently it is -- the BAF head was not packed with him. Seems to be a no-brainer on how to spike interest.
Never mind all of those Steve Austins clogging shelves ...
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2018 4:30:10 GMT -5
not sure about others, but one reason some flashbacks rot is the way these are released. when they are spread out so much, i pick n choose which ones to buy much more. if it was a straight flashback series that pumps em out every 4-6 months and we know we are getting more sets and know where they will be sold, i think many would tend to want to "collect" the series so to speak. i know i do. with the walmart flashback series (basic too) i found myself wanting to buy the whole set and keep collecting them as I thought this was the new flashback line. and I did and have bought them all so far, even tho i could care less about razor in clothes or alundra blaze and a 575th stone cold figure for example. if these came out randomly like all other legends/flashbacks do, itd be a pass on all 3 for me. but since they were a part of the new FB series, they are sitting in my room with the others.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2018 4:33:40 GMT -5
This unfortunately shows quite a lack of foresight from Bill. There is demand for this figure, which is going for anywhere from three to five times the price on eBay. I still don't understand why if it's a figure that isn't likely to sell as well -- which apparently it is -- the BAF head was not packed with him. Seems to be a no-brainer on how to spike interest.
Never mind all of those Steve Austins clogging shelves ...
i know. every legend set has to have a 600th shelf clogging stone cold, rock, hhh or a non old school taker. how many of these frikin 4 figures do they think we need, jeez!
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Post by Artie Kendall on Dec 6, 2018 15:53:17 GMT -5
Going through some actionfigureattack on IG and he confirmed (November 14th) that the following women are not under a deal: Ivoy, Jacqueline, Beth Phoenix, Kelly Kelly, Michelle McCool, and Torrie Wilson.
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Post by erikg on Dec 6, 2018 18:23:36 GMT -5
Going through some actionfigureattack on IG and he confirmed (November 14th) that the following women are not under a deal: Ivoy, Jacqueline, Beth Phoenix, Kelly Kelly, Michelle McCool, and Torrie Wilson. I wonder how Beth got on that Walmart leak
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Post by erikg on Dec 6, 2018 18:25:35 GMT -5
He means he’s not a well known star to today’s viewer and target demographic of the toys. This figure is aimed at adult collectors who are familiar with Harley Race and grew up watching him. As for the target demo, I understand its primarily aimed at kids but I was under the impression that Mattel was also catering to older fans including those that grew up watching past eras of wrestling?! If they only care about kids then they should stop releasing figures of older legends because no kid is going to buy a Harley Race or Tugboat figure. Finally someone points this out. All the but but but the line is for kids! people annoy me so much. As far as I know everyone who posts here is an adult collector.
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Post by venomeratt on Dec 6, 2018 20:18:41 GMT -5
This figure is aimed at adult collectors who are familiar with Harley Race and grew up watching him. As for the target demo, I understand its primarily aimed at kids but I was under the impression that Mattel was also catering to older fans including those that grew up watching past eras of wrestling?! If they only care about kids then they should stop releasing figures of older legends because no kid is going to buy a Harley Race or Tugboat figure. Finally someone points this out. All the but but but the line is for kids! people annoy me so much. As far as I know everyone who posts here is an adult collector. While I somewhat agree with you, an old proboards forum may be full of adult collectors, but there are a TON of kids posting pics of figs on instagram. I saw someone post the pics of the new Sherri, and a kid asked "who is that supposed to be?" When it was explained who, their response was "Well I dont know them Why should I care about some old b***h?".... hurt my soul a little haha
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Post by buddyboy101 on Dec 7, 2018 7:19:53 GMT -5
Twitter updates from 11/7/2018 - 12/4/2018. I will add these to the front page when I get a new computer. My laptop finally cratered making this a much more difficult project. King Harley Race:Why Race is short packed: "Because the other figures are more well known. Recent figures of lesser known legends (Tugboat, Warlord, Berserker) hung on pegs longer than other figures in the waves. Not a botch, a decision." - Bill, Twitter - 11/27/2018 This unfortunately shows quite a lack of foresight from Bill. There is demand for this figure, which is going for anywhere from three to five times the price on eBay. I still don't understand why if it's a figure that isn't likely to sell as well -- which apparently it is -- the BAF head was not packed with him. Seems to be a no-brainer on how to spike interest.
Never mind all of those Steve Austins clogging shelves ...
The short-packing issue is moot if the series was never even properly distributed to begin with. To me, that is the biggest problem. If overall distribution were okay, then we could consider whether short-packing Harley was wise or not. But at this point, there's not enough information to really say. In terms of Mattel's decision to short-pack Harley, I imagine they are considering household recognition factor - who would the average consumer be more likely to recognize: Austin or Harley. This logic fails though when you consider who the FB line is targeting - not the average consumer, but older legends-loving consumers.
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Post by Deep Figure Value on Dec 7, 2018 14:12:47 GMT -5
Finally someone points this out. All the but but but the line is for kids! people annoy me so much. As far as I know everyone who posts here is an adult collector. While I somewhat agree with you, an old proboards forum may be full of adult collectors, but there are a TON of kids posting pics of figs on instagram. I saw someone post the pics of the new Sherri, and a kid asked "who is that supposed to be?" When it was explained who, their response was "Well I dont know them Why should I care about some old b***h?".... hurt my soul a little haha This is a mindset that seems lost not just on action figure collectors, but wrestling fans as a whole. The internet has certainly expanded the reach of each of our proverbial front doors, but for as much as it shrinks by the day, the world is still a massive, massive place. The niche communities we create around ourselves, whether it's the WFigs forums or r/squaredcircle or anywhere else that we gravitate toward a subset of similarly minded people, only represent a fraction of a fraction of the populace that are consuming that same nice product we all gravitate toward. I've been on this board for close to seventeen years. Off the top of my head, during that time, I've really only met or have come to know maybe five to ten people, face to face, who share my interest in this enough to be considered a "collector". Of them, one was a member of this board, and that was 15 years ago. That's not to discount that there's a general consensus among the user base here, but more to emphasize that this board and places like it are little more than a sample size of the varied demographic Mattel is looking to please, especially when the marketplace for these things is typically the big box retail variety.
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Post by disorder on Dec 7, 2018 14:17:16 GMT -5
This figure is aimed at adult collectors who are familiar with Harley Race and grew up watching him. As for the target demo, I understand its primarily aimed at kids but I was under the impression that Mattel was also catering to older fans including those that grew up watching past eras of wrestling?! If they only care about kids then they should stop releasing figures of older legends because no kid is going to buy a Harley Race or Tugboat figure. Finally someone points this out. All the but but but the line is for kids! people annoy me so much. As far as I know everyone who posts here is an adult collector. You think the 200 or so active posters on here are the demographic? Or speak for the majority of customers? Bill has stated that the line is for kids, but he hooks adult collectors up with the “obscure” figures. He also stated, that adult collectors are a small portion of their sales. Some of you need to get a grip on reality
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Post by disorder on Dec 7, 2018 14:18:38 GMT -5
To add to that...
Mattel is a children’s toy company, thus why they direct the product towards their target audience.
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Post by TheBadGuyChico on Dec 7, 2018 16:10:29 GMT -5
I'm just not buying that children are as much of the toy demographic as in years past. In the IPad/Kindle/Switch era, we account for more sales of these toylines than we realize.
Look how many things are marketed to us in the toy section.
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Post by disorder on Dec 8, 2018 22:28:15 GMT -5
I'm just not buying that children are as much of the toy demographic as in years past. In the IPad/Kindle/Switch era, we account for more sales of these toylines than we realize. Look how many things are marketed to us in the toy section. Again. A dude who works for the company and runs the wwe line has said otherwise. Nothing is really marketed towards us. The things that actually are, sit in the back of electronics at target.
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Post by Next Manufactured’s Sweater on Dec 8, 2018 22:44:19 GMT -5
Harley Race was last relevant as a wrestler in about 1987. Even then, he was one of the least colourful, interesting characters in the WWF. And he hasn't been celebrated by WWE history the way that guys like Andre have. Hell, he hasn't spent the last decade and a half turning up in memes and Wrestlecrap compilations like Shockmaster.
Fans from the Bret Hart era are in their 30s now. Fans from the Monday Night Wars/Attitude era are in their late 20s or 30s, if not older. Kids who were watching Harley Race wrestle are now pushing 40, and fans from his NWA glory days are in their 50s and 60s. How many 60 year olds are buying wrestling dolls? Not many. Harley Race is basically there to appeal to Legends figure completionists - he's the perfect candidate for something that will go for triple retail on eBay but would rot in stores if packed heavy. He's an extremely niche addition to the line.
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