Keck Collects
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Post by Keck Collects on Sept 16, 2018 21:48:23 GMT -5
-The Price point is a killer. -Too many jumpers, for me personally that really took the excitement about HHH and Goldberg to name two away completely. - A repaint Kevin Owens? For what? There are only so many spots in the line, that repaint was not needed. - NWO Savage should have been one of his WWF attires.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2018 21:54:56 GMT -5
Distribution has been awful. Hope they figure it out moving forward with series 7 and on. Glad to hear Bill say they had long term plans for this line. Looking forward to seeing the Diesel they teased and the Goldust that's supposedly coming with an accessory.
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Post by monstarpr on Sept 16, 2018 22:05:06 GMT -5
I really wanted The New Day but only saw them on Amazon for $21 ea. I’m not going to roll like that. If I saw them at a Target or Walmart for $10 I would grab them. But for now I have just given up on the line.
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Post by Blackbird 13 on Sept 16, 2018 23:48:22 GMT -5
- NWO Savage should have been one of his WWF attires. Disagree. If you want a WWF attired Randy Savage in that style of figure, eBay is your friend. Literally my favorite of the retro figures.
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Post by powerfred3k on Sept 16, 2018 23:52:19 GMT -5
What is killing the line is the fact walmart is not carrying these.
The crappy distribution is standard mattel. The price increase is not helping either.
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Post by dynamitekido on Sept 17, 2018 1:08:35 GMT -5
As mentioned, the distribution has been AWFUL.
I picked up the first four as soon as I saw them at Walmart. I couldn’t wait to get them. Then waiting for series 2 and it took forever for them to show up. I managed to get Austin/Rock and then NOTHING. Eventually I grabbed series 3 in stores and I completed that set. I grabbed the last two in the first series as they would show at Walmart in my area. I was about to quit with the line but I managed to complete the rest of my second series at Ollie’s for $4 each. Now I’ve been waiting for series four to show at retail and again, NOTHING. It’s beyond frustrating but I’m just not willing to spend the online prices for these. I like the line but it just can’t be a priority for me as I’m mainly an elite collector as well as the original Hasbro/LJNs. I also have to get enough other stuff online and I’m just not willing to do that with these.
Also, please please PLEASE make more flashbacks. Especially as the main audience for these are collecting for nostalgic reasons anyways. I don’t think many kids are buying them at all. One of the most frustrating things I’ve seen since collecting these were the 2nd repainted Owens. With all of the wrestlers fans and collectors want in that line, it’s sheer laziness to do another modern guy twice. At least at this point in the line.
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Post by hbkjason on Sept 17, 2018 1:11:30 GMT -5
I like the figures that I have collected to far, but being part of this line is way more work that it should be. I flat out refuse to buy these things online and pay and extra few pounds for the mark up that the online retailer has to charge and also for the postage. No way in hell am I paying up to £18-20 for one of these figures. As much as I like the figures I have collected so far, I can live without them.
The lineups have been so freaking weird. I have said it on here before, but I saw an interview online with Pixel Dan and one of the dudes from Mattel. The guy from Mattel said that when he looked at his Hasbro collection he always felt that the Iron Sheik was a missing piece!!!! How do you look at your Hasbro collection and say that an early to mid 80's Iron Shiek is the missing piece? Also as much as I like the NWO Savage, how is a 90's long tights Macho King/Man, not the first Randy Savage figure you do? The line was thought up by a guy who clearly loved Hasbro's, but then it ended up in the hands of someone who clearly had no passion or idea about who this line should have been for.
Collecting wrestling figures should be fun and the first three series I had fun picking up in stores when I saw them. Jumping through hoops to get Savage and Flair is not fun and I wont do it. The figures I have are neat and look great on the back of my game room door. If they are the only ones I can get, so be it.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2018 1:42:37 GMT -5
Its not distribution, its stores not ordering. Mattel will only distribute to stores that order product. Stores wont order if people dont buy it, people arent buying it which is why its being sold in discount stores and at clearance prices Now wheres a decent wall i can bang my head against... People arent buying, in stores, because of the distribution....They are available online months before they are in stores, as explained. If people had to choose between in stores or online, they will go into stores because its keeper and you can see what you are getting. Stuff is always available online before it reaches stores. Mattel can only distribute stuff to stores who order it
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2018 1:44:36 GMT -5
Its not distribution, its stores not ordering. Mattel will only distribute to stores that order product. Stores wont order if people dont buy it, people arent buying it which is why its being sold in discount stores and at clearance prices Now wheres a decent wall i can bang my head against... Normally I would agree with that - but something really strange seems to be going on with the whole Retro distribution: exclusive/not exclusive, massive gaps in between series (mainly 3 & 4, and now 6 & 7), hardly anyone being able to find Series 4, 5 and 6... If it was just as simple as stores not ordering them/people not wanting them, I don't think we'd have had 6 series of the figures, with 2 more on the way (...remember how quickly the Legends line was cancelled...?). Also, if the line was in trouble, I doubt very much that Bill would have said recently that they have "big plans" for it... But maybe the stores didnt order those mid series' because they had overstock of the first lot, that would explain the clearance prices, if they have series 1 and 2 clogging shelves, they wouldnt order more until they were gone I have a daughter who was into Barbie, there were never issues with getting the latest stuff in stores, same with Monster High, the latest series/wave was always quickly on shelves, hotwheels ditto, even in the WWE lines, elites and basics are always quickly online and in stores near me, Barbie, Monster High, Hot Wheels, Elites and Basics all being readily available on shelves proves its NOT Mattel distribution thats the problem, its people not buying them, and i dont mean a hundred or so people on this forum, i mean the hundreds of thousands of buyers needed for them to succeed
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2018 1:52:05 GMT -5
-The Price point is a killer. -Too many jumpers, for me personally that really took the excitement about HHH and Goldberg to name two away completely. - A repaint Kevin Owens? For what? There are only so many spots in the line, that repaint was not needed. - NWO Savage should have been one of his WWF attires. Price is a big hurdle for these selling, i say get rid of the base and the stupid app feature and put them back to the original price. HHH was not a great choice for the jumper move, but Goldberg was great, for the Spear. I love the jumper move, for the right character
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Post by nywild3 on Sept 17, 2018 5:27:54 GMT -5
People arent buying, in stores, because of the distribution....They are available online months before they are in stores, as explained. If people had to choose between in stores or online, they will go into stores because its keeper and you can see what you are getting. Stuff is always available online before it reaches stores. Mattel can only distribute stuff to stores who order it I understand they will be online before in stores but they can’t be available in stores months later. The gap is just too long and people aren’t waiting.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2018 5:54:33 GMT -5
Stuff is always available online before it reaches stores. Mattel can only distribute stuff to stores who order it I understand they will be online before in stores but they can’t be available in stores months later. The gap is just too long and people aren’t waiting. The gap is the same for those who do not order online as it is for those who do, it has nothing to do with not waiting, its the lazy and the i want it now culture, amazon delivers same day in loads of areas in the uk, people cant be bothered to get off their fat arses and go to the shop and look for a toy in the way they used to, its laziness thats all
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Post by Glorydaysofwrestling on Sept 17, 2018 6:15:37 GMT -5
Mattel/store distribution killing EVERY line they produce.
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Post by drnickriviera995 on Sept 17, 2018 7:42:50 GMT -5
As mentioned, the distribution has been AWFUL. I picked up the first four as soon as I saw them at Walmart. I couldn’t wait to get them. Then waiting for series 2 and it took forever for them to show up. I managed to get Austin/Rock and then NOTHING. Eventually I grabbed series 3 in stores and I completed that set. I grabbed the last two in the first series as they would show at Walmart in my area. I was about to quit with the line but I managed to complete the rest of my second series at Ollie’s for $4 each. Now I’ve been waiting for series four to show at retail and again, NOTHING. It’s beyond frustrating but I’m just not willing to spend the online prices for these. I like the line but it just can’t be a priority for me as I’m mainly an elite collector as well as the original Hasbro/LJNs. I also have to get enough other stuff online and I’m just not willing to do that with these. Also, please please PLEASE make more flashbacks. Especially as the main audience for these are collecting for nostalgic reasons anyways. I don’t think many kids are buying them at all. One of the most frustrating things I’ve seen since collecting these were the 2nd repainted Owens. With all of the wrestlers fans and collectors want in that line, it’s sheer laziness to do another modern guy twice. At least at this point in the line. Couldn't agree more lol. I'd buy T.L. Hopper and the Brooklyn Brawler before Owens, Cena, etc. At the rate they are going we'll maybe get 10 actual Hasbro era guys if the line goes on for at least 5 years.
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Post by stc13 on Sept 17, 2018 8:27:16 GMT -5
Yeah, they'll never reach the top 10 toy companies in the world, or be a multi billion dollar company...what? Wait..oh..its just some fellas on a wrestling forum said they dont know how to run a business I’m not sure why you feel you need to troll every topic that is made about a negative aspect of Mattel WWE figures, but it is very tiresome Not sure if you being overseas makes you not be able to grasp properly, what a majority of these posters are talking about or what Distribution IS a problem with these Retro figures. Doesn’t have anything to do with Barbie, Monster High or Hot Wheels. 4 out of 6 hot Wal Mart early last year, with the revision case coming later and like the OP said, created a ton of clogging on the shelves. When it was time for S2, I’d bet 1 out of 25 Wal Marts even got it period S3 hit RS, then a month or two later hit GameStops (around Nov ‘17). Then Target in Feb ‘18. No Wal Mart this time around As of Sept ‘18 S4, S5, S6 are sporadic at best. KMart gets S6 but there are basically no KMarts to go to (compared to target and Wal Mart) So distribution. Is it the stores problem. Technically yes, but Mattel needs to step in and do something with target on S3 if they care about keeping this line alive. Mattelfreak can scream it’s not Mattel’s problem all he wants, but in the end it is Mattel’s problem. If something is not done then the line will die And the same goes for Entrance Greats, Epic Moments and these Main Event rings. When your 2 retail giants don’t even carry them, that is a problem On the positive note, in my area Elites have been steadily consistent since the white boxes came out (54?). So can’t complain about that. Target and WM have had E60 for weeks now so that’s nice. Don’t do Basics but I think they are pretty current overall too It's to the point where I've stopped visiting this forum more than once or twice a day because every single thread ends up having the same one or two comments repeated ten times over. And I don't think it's coincidental that this poster showed up shortly after another user, who was also UK based and loved to beat a point into the dirt, was banned. I think the issue is that these conversations are more complicated than the one liner mattelfreak loves to boil it down to. Of course Mattel only ships product to stores that order it. But those "stores" are multi-billion dollar retail chains that have entire departments of buyers and supply chain management folks who oversee the process from pre-production ordering to the product hitting warehouses and shelves. It's not Sally in the toy department with a Mattel catalog picking out what sets she needs to re-order for next month. And on Mattel's side there are sales reps, account managers, and entire departments whose sole job is to get the product purchased and onto shelves so Mattel can make money. If Mattel having to dump thousands and thousands of cases to discount retailers like Ollie's and Big Lots last year because they produced figures that major retailers doesn't constitute a supply chain issue, then I'd suggest you take an into to business course at your local community college.
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Post by Glorydaysofwrestling on Sept 17, 2018 8:53:27 GMT -5
with wwe Mattel it goes two ways
Finding the figures you want is like looking for gold in the Bermuda Triangle.
Or
They ship so many of one fig it’s like opinions on a figure board.
There’s very rarely a happy medium.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2018 8:59:18 GMT -5
taserface i absolutely understand every point you make, doesnt mean i'll agree with it, i merely put my point on, what appears to me, a very simple issue. I understand collectors, me included, buy these, but it seems thqt isnt enough, sure kids want them too, but, they are either being overproduced, or they are not selling in sufficient quantities for stores to keep ordering them, hence, them appearing in discount stores, or as you say, series 3 hanging around. I 100% understand your frustration at not being able to buy the figures you want, but its not Mattels distribution, its the price point, if they were 2 or 3 £££ cheaper they'd fly out the stores and Mattel wouldnt be able to keep up with demand. I really am not trying to cause a row
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Post by SteveHulk on Sept 17, 2018 9:22:26 GMT -5
I like the figures that I have collected to far, but being part of this line is way more work that it should be. I flat out refuse to buy these things online and pay and extra few pounds for the mark up that the online retailer has to charge and also for the postage. No way in hell am I paying up to £18-20 for one of these figures. As much as I like the figures I have collected so far, I can live without them. You can get them fairly reasonable online though... I pre-ordered Series 4, 5 & 6 from blocked for £144, postage included. And considering the retail price of Series 3 was £10.99 at Smyths, £12 each online is pretty good (imo)... especially for figures not available in stores here.
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Post by SteveHulk on Sept 17, 2018 9:36:24 GMT -5
Normally I would agree with that - but something really strange seems to be going on with the whole Retro distribution: exclusive/not exclusive, massive gaps in between series (mainly 3 & 4, and now 6 & 7), hardly anyone being able to find Series 4, 5 and 6... If it was just as simple as stores not ordering them/people not wanting them, I don't think we'd have had 6 series of the figures, with 2 more on the way (...remember how quickly the Legends line was cancelled...?). Also, if the line was in trouble, I doubt very much that Bill would have said recently that they have "big plans" for it... But maybe the stores didnt order those mid series' because they had overstock of the first lot, that would explain the clearance prices, if they have series 1 and 2 clogging shelves, they wouldnt order more until they were gone But Series 1 and 2 were Walmart exclusives, so (with respect) that doesn't really explain why we're not seeing other series - particularly 4-6 - in other stores. Again though, if it was simply a case of people not buying them, why hasn't the line been cancelled? Why have we seen the figures for 2 more upcoming series? Why has Bill said they "have big plans" for the line? I'm not trying to be argumentative - I just don't think it's a simple "stores don't want them"/black and white issue here.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2018 9:46:19 GMT -5
SteveHulk series 1 and 2 werent walmart exclusives, i believe Roman Reigns and Kevin Owens were, but the rest were readily available, having bought Cena, Warrior and i believe Taker in stores over here, i also bought Steve Austin and the Rock from tesco Maybe they are hoping sales will pick up, we are only on series 6 is it? That shows they arent as big a sales flop as flexforce or double attack whatever they were called lol
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