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Post by Hulkster2001 on Sept 26, 2018 8:10:06 GMT -5
 One of the most infamous botches in wrestling history, Owen Hart piledriving Stone Cold’s head into the mat. His career nearly ended that night and the WWF could’ve gone out of business, but thankfully Austin could still wrestle until 2003. But what if that botch didn’t happen? What if Owen had notice Austin’s head was lower than it should be? How long could’ve Stone Cold wrestle if this hadn’t happened? |
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Post by warriorlynx on Sept 26, 2018 8:44:23 GMT -5
Well logically he would be able to wrestle more, and would be around in 2000, but than you have the injury by Booker T to consider too in 2001.
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Post by hbkbigdaddycool on Sept 26, 2018 12:47:03 GMT -5
I am just curious about this, during the SummerSlam match with Owen, Jim Ross kept saying how Austin has a bad neck. And then the piledriver happens.
Now I am not saying that it wasn't real, but I don't ever remember a time BEFORE that where there was talk of Austin having a bad neck. Bad knees, yes. Bad neck?? No.
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Post by nibs92 on Sept 26, 2018 12:54:39 GMT -5
I am just curious about this, during the SummerSlam match with Owen, Jim Ross kept saying how Austin has a bad neck. And then the piledriver happens. Now I am not saying that it wasn't real, but I don't ever remember a time BEFORE that where there was talk of Austin having a bad neck. Bad knees, yes. Bad neck?? No. Never noticed that before. Maybe the piledriver was meant to be a huge spot in the match and saying Austin has a bad neck would emphasise the move more. Just a theory |
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Post by k5 on Sept 26, 2018 19:50:22 GMT -5
it’s crazy how similar that incident was to what happened with Austin and Masahiro Chono 5 years earlier...
right around the 10 min mark
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Post by Papi Joker on Sept 26, 2018 19:58:10 GMT -5
Yes I have heard that it was supposed to be a 'fake injury' turned real!!
And he actually broke Chono's neck too years before...
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Post by TheEvilDoink1987 on Sept 28, 2018 5:04:06 GMT -5
I was there live. My first WWF PPV.
Looking back, the spot seems so unnecessary if they knew going in that Austin really was having serious neck issues. This was the dawn of the Attitude Era with a wild NJ crowd that was Stone Cold crazy. Their match didn't need some risky high spot to spike the crowd or keep them engaged. Austin had crowds eating out of the palm of his hand just throwing punches and stomping his opponent.
If they wanted to do a spot where Austin got cut off they could've gone with an enziguiri or even a spinning heel kick which were both trademark moves Owen often used to regain control in a match. Those would have been just as effective while keeping down the risk factor for injury.
I'm always surprised Austin didn't approach Owen beforehand and just say, "My neck is really bad right now. Let's scrap the tombstone spot and do something else." That would have been the end of it right there and they would have came up with another spot without thinking twice about it. Especially once Austin voiced some concern after Owen told him that he dropped to his ass and not his knees while performing the move.
Just an unnecessary spot that could've ended more tragically than it did.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2018 5:07:36 GMT -5
Well logically he would be able to wrestle more, and would be around in 2000, but than you have the injury by Booker T to consider too in 2001. The only thing I can think of revolving around Booker T and injuring Austin is when he dropped Austin thru the table at KotR. Can you confirm or is there something else I'm not aware of? |
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Post by warriorlynx on Sept 29, 2018 7:22:14 GMT -5
Well logically he would be able to wrestle more, and would be around in 2000, but than you have the injury by Booker T to consider too in 2001. The only thing I can think of revolving around Booker T and injuring Austin is when he dropped Austin thru the table at KotR. Can you confirm or is there something else I'm not aware of? It was botched and broke Austin's hand. |
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Post by TheEvilDoink1987 on Sept 30, 2018 7:25:17 GMT -5
I'm sure there a part of Vince that was genuinely concerned about Austin's health, but you know his balls were in his throat when that botch happened as he saw his meal ticket ripped apart before his eyes.
His one shining star that could help dig them out of the grave as WCW tried to bury Vince, and he's lying in the ring partially paralyzed. Without Austin, I don't think the WWF had a chance. Actually, I'll double down and just say that without Austin, they no NO chance.
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Post by Next Man’s Knowing Rock on Sept 30, 2018 7:44:25 GMT -5
It's an interesting one. Without the injury, he maybe wouldn't have had that storyline where he was rebelling against the company in late 1997 (although they might have done something similar)... He'd never have had to change up his style and created that attitude era main event style that worked so well.
Ultimately, without the injury, he'd have had a longer career, but maybe he - and the WWF - wouldn't have quite taken off in 1998 as much. The injury, like the Montreal Screwjob, worked really well in creating the attitude era.
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Post by Hulkster2001 on Oct 1, 2018 7:09:26 GMT -5
It's an interesting one. Without the injury, he maybe wouldn't have had that storyline where he was rebelling against the company in late 1997 (although they might have done something similar)... He'd never have had to change up his style and created that attitude era main event style that worked so well. Ultimately, without the injury, he'd have had a longer career, but maybe he - and the WWF - wouldn't have quite taken off in 1998 as much. The injury, like the Montreal Screwjob, worked really well in creating the attitude era. Well maybe that would’ve happened anyways, like hbkdaddycool said JR mentioned Austin’s bad neck so maybe they planned for the piledriver. (Obviously not the botch but the setup) |
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