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Post by Hulkster2001 on Sept 28, 2018 6:59:57 GMT -5
If you ask people when did the Attitude era begin you’d get two different answers, King Of The Ring 1996 and Survivor Series 1997. So when did the Attitude era begin? June 23, 1996 or November 9, 1997?
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Post by koreygunz on Sept 28, 2018 7:12:43 GMT -5
The Attitude Era definitely didnt start in 1996. I would say it had its beginnings in the summer of 1997, so the Montreal incident is much closer of a landmark event for it than KORT.
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Post by Path 2 Glory on Sept 28, 2018 7:29:35 GMT -5
I'm always gonna say the birth of Austin 3:16 was the beginning but even then it took awhile for them to get to the gritty stuff from the classic era.
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Post by Lorenzo Alcazar on Sept 28, 2018 7:51:42 GMT -5
To me personally, it was when Bret Hart shoved Vince McMahon down on his ass and went on that tirade after the cage match on RAW. That was when things really started to turn, in my opinion, and Vince was more than just "the announcer".
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2018 7:57:53 GMT -5
Yeah I would say early 1997 is when the attitude era started. I don't consider anything from 96 the attitude era. Even when they did the Pillman gun angle, Vince apologized for it on live wire.
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Post by PJ on Sept 28, 2018 10:44:02 GMT -5
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Post by Gorilla on Sept 28, 2018 10:49:08 GMT -5
I'm with PJ. I think it's when Austin, who in any previous era is a heel, gets cheered
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Post by Hulkster2001 on Sept 28, 2018 12:11:48 GMT -5
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Post by nibs92 on Sept 28, 2018 12:13:25 GMT -5
I always associate it with the Pillman has a gun incident. I think that’s the first time I realised they were really pushing the envelope out, had the storyline dominating the whole episode and was completely away from what the WWF as we knew it was about.
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Post by warriorlynx on Sept 28, 2018 21:54:26 GMT -5
Official declaration by Vince McMahon: December 15th, 1997 on RAW
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Post by hbkjason on Sept 29, 2018 2:41:23 GMT -5
To me personally, it was when Bret Hart shoved Vince McMahon down on his ass and went on that tirade after the cage match on RAW. That was when things really started to turn, in my opinion, and Vince was more than just "the announcer". This is what I was going to say. This moment is so overlooked, but I remember watching this and being genuinely shocked at what happened. Bret in 1997 is one of the best characters that the WWE ever did. |
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Post by warriorlynx on Sept 29, 2018 7:17:26 GMT -5
To me personally, it was when Bret Hart shoved Vince McMahon down on his ass and went on that tirade after the cage match on RAW. That was when things really started to turn, in my opinion, and Vince was more than just "the announcer". This is what I was going to say. This moment is so overlooked, but I remember watching this and being genuinely shocked at what happened. Bret in 1997 is one of the best characters that the WWE ever did. A full heel would've been better IMO, sure it was unique as the hero outside of the US, but gosh his mom's American (Bret also has citizenship) so it's like he's insulting his mom lol. Also I didn't like the Hart Foundation stable, would've preferred Bret on his own as a heel that trashes everyone and is unstoppable with his "ruthless aggression" (he was ruthless in all his matches in 97!). |
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Post by LA Times on Sept 29, 2018 21:51:56 GMT -5
The seeds were planted in 1997 but Stone Cold ushered it in Wrestlemania XIV
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2018 22:06:07 GMT -5
Ive been watching 1997 Raw episodes for the last few weeks. It started in like spring/summer '97 I think. Right around WM13. Swearing started becoming more common, Stone Cold's attitude really grabbed people, Nation Of Domination started getting political, Bret Hart got nasty about fans and started swearing at Vince, Shawn Michaels danced ever so provocatively, and the deciding factor was...THE GODWINNS TURNED HEEL!
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Post by Ohtimate Wahriah on Sept 30, 2018 8:57:54 GMT -5
The seeds of the attitude era were planted when Goldust debuted. To me that was what changed their course and ended up being the first exhibit on the road to the attitude era. Goldust was HIGHLY controversial at that time and definitely was cut from the same mold the attitude era was built on
Right after that Warrior returned and I remember his first in ring promo being much more ATTITUDE-ish with him saying s**t and ass in the same promo. Same for Bret Hart shortly after. Which for back then, they never swore on WWF television
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Post by JokerFC on Oct 3, 2018 5:24:21 GMT -5
Yeah its someplace in the middle of these IMO.....so hard to pin it down really? Its definitely before Montreal though.....long before it.
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Post by Ohtimate Wahriah on Oct 3, 2018 9:35:37 GMT -5
Right around the time Goldust debuted, they also started running those Billionaire Ted skits, even those were considered highly controversial at the time. and they’d usually follow them up with some sort of backhanded fact about ted turner, or they’d print something in the papers about him. They also started doing those Sunny cut ins where she’d be bending over and whatnot haha, all of that to me was the beginning of the road in the direction they eventually went in
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2018 14:39:40 GMT -5
1997 sometime for sure. attitude era logo was 1st used at survivor series 1997.
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Post by Papi Joker on Oct 3, 2018 19:43:51 GMT -5
Bret Hart was showing Attitude at the same time Austin 3:16 emerged, remember he was talking about 'being screwed' way before Montreal.
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Post by punksnotdead on Oct 5, 2018 21:17:06 GMT -5
Survivor Series 97 is way too late imo. I’d say Pillman’s got a gun. Shawn was booed like crazy when he lost to Sid. So that’s two things back-to-back that demonstrated a significant shift both creatively and with the audience. By 97 you had a heel cheat to win the Royal Rumble in a traditional babyface spot. Then Bret turned heel. I’d say absolutely no later than SummerSlam 97 because after that you had DX running around and that’s 100% Attitude Era stuff. I mean fans were screaming Die Rocky Die in like April of 97.
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