Ohtimate Wahriah
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Post by Ohtimate Wahriah on Oct 3, 2018 9:40:05 GMT -5
Why didn’t he just buy Austin and The Rock once WWF started to beat them in the ratings again? Everybody always says “WCW didn’t create new stars”, that was never what made them successful, the better question is, why did they stop buying WWF’s new stars? WWF was doing alright against WCW until Turner bought most of the roster. WCW had made plenty of its own stars back in the early 90’s, they didn’t get successful until they started buying Vince’s stars, so why did they stop?
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Post by aggressiveperfector on Oct 3, 2018 9:42:57 GMT -5
I think at that point Vince might have been doing contracts. I also think they might have known the writing was on the wall for WCW and the power structure was so bad over there and the pecking order would have never let them thrive. I mean, look what they did with Sting, and Bret! Plus I think I remember hearing that Kevin and Scott actually told Shawn and Hunter they (Shawn and Hunter) didn't want to come to WCW (well Hunter's case come back) because of some of the crapthat went on backstage.
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Post by Ohtimate Wahriah on Oct 3, 2018 9:51:18 GMT -5
That’s the thing though, and that’s a whole other debate, but I don’t think those contracts would have held up in court, and Turner had more money at that point to fight those legal battles than Vince did. (The whole independent contractor thing)
I always rationalized it that Turner couldn’t have an attitude style program, so those guys were of no use to him, BUT then again, Turner was buying people SIMPLY so the WWF couldn’t use them. So if he threw Austin on WCW tv drinking milk, atleast Vince couldn’t use him
Also, for all the money they were throwing around...look, I’d be ok with bad booking haha. What’s the measure of success anyway
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Post by hbkbigdaddycool on Oct 3, 2018 9:59:39 GMT -5
I think by the year 2000, guys like Rock and Austin were making enough money with WWE to justify wanting to stay with the company.
In 1996 it was a totally different era. Nash and Hall weren't making the money in the WWE compared to what they could make in WCW. But by the year 2000, the WWE was making a crap load of money so guys wanted to stay there.... except Jeff Jarrett. He loved going back to WCW.
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Post by havoc7179 on Oct 3, 2018 10:20:15 GMT -5
Rock said he was approached at one point for 2x the amount of his then salary. So Turner was trying
But, remember, in 2000, AOL merged with TimeWarner. I don't know when Austin and Rock would have been available but they only became huge stars in 1997 and 1998 respectively. So for WCW to try and buy them at a time when they were bona fide stars, it would have to be at earliest in 1998. Wsa their contract up that year? Realistically, Turner had until the end of 1999 to sign them because as soon as the merger occurred, he lost all power and was a figure head. By all accounts, AOL-Timewarner hated the wrassling business and wanted out. So they weren't going to be throwing insane amounts of money for tops stars. They would take what they could get by then.
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Post by K5 on Oct 3, 2018 13:57:37 GMT -5
Vince, having been betrayed by so many, valued loyalty.
you could add undertaker to your list. but the thing is, everyone had their reason to stay and believe that Vince would do what is best for their personality. also, even by late 98 the writing was starting to appear on the wall that the wwf was gonna win - and before that rocky and Austin weren’t the commodities they’d become.
Austin hated bischoff and wcw, he wasn’t going to throw himself back into the wolves. Rocky’s family lineage was loyal to the McMahon’s and undertaker had sworn to the wwf.
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Post by Ohtimate Wahriah on Oct 4, 2018 9:22:29 GMT -5
^taking all that into consideration, it’s amazing when he screwed Bret Hart it wasn’t game over for the WWF. It’ actually worked in Vince’s favor, but that could have EASILY been the final straw for guys like Taker/ Foley (who reportedly were legit pissed off) into jumping ship to the financial security of Turner.
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Post by JokerFC on Oct 6, 2018 0:40:43 GMT -5
Another thing to consider is by the time WCW realised it was in tailspin in mid 99( and this was when they realised) Austin & Rock would never had went there.....they would have been jumping to the losers.
They seen what happened to Sting, Hart & by that time Goldberg. Waltman would have returned with stories of the poisonous backstage environment & I'm sure Show wasn't quiet about it either. The WWF Locker room knew Jericho and others wanted out too through mutual friends.
Rock was also from a "WWF Family" if you like and did indeed flat out reject an offer from them. Austin had legit bad feeling with them & would likely never have went back and risk being "hitman'd" over there.
WCW had the tools & the talent to compete with WWF & put on one hell of a show but they couldn't write for sh*t. Then they brought in the greatest bluffer of all time to dig them out.....and he brought such a big shovel? You would be forgiven for thinking he was an undercover agent sent by Vince....LOL.
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Post by greenjack1992 on Oct 15, 2018 2:41:52 GMT -5
I always assumed it was because 'Taker, Austin and HHH had all worked at WCW, which had always been mismanaged and unreliable, and didn't want to go back to a company that didn't know whether it was coming or going, and Rock was always going to be a WWF guy because of his family.
I just took it that half the bloody locker room had first hand experienced of the mismanaged WCW and that would be enough to deter everyone else from jumping.
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Post by King Richius on Oct 15, 2018 2:48:11 GMT -5
I doubt either would have gone to WCW. Austin certainly had no love for the company that fired him by FedEx (as the story goes iirc). And Rock was a WWF family guy from his grandfather to father to him. Throw in how bad a job WCW did with their later WWF signings like Bret Hart and I don't think Ted could have backed up enough Brinks trucks to get either to sign.
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