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Post by downwardspiral: Hostility on Oct 4, 2018 21:25:56 GMT -5
Looking for some help but mainly just a discussion point. The answer may just be as simple as "to each their own."
Long story short - I am trying to put together a definitive list of wrestlers who have had a figure produced. Simply a guide for my collection. I am looking at all lines but I will leave this as a WWE thread. I am struggling mightily about how to define what a character is. I wanted to ask collectors how they would define it should they be after just one of each wrestler for their collection.
For Mick Foley - I see it as a simple and easy 3 distinct "wrestlers" - Dude Love, Cactus Jack, Mankind. Maybe you can make an argument for Mick Foley as a 4th distinct character.
For Goldust - I see it as 1 - despite changes in his character and costume, he has always been Goldust. Same with Shelton Benjamin. I don't see the Gold Standard as a different character.
But here is where I am struggling. Take someone like Steve Austin. Do you take just one or do you see Stunning Steve, Ringmaster Steve and Stone Cold as 3 distinctly different wrestlers? All the same person, all the same name just different gimmicks.
Where do you stand on this?
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Post by ra11fanatic on Oct 4, 2018 21:34:47 GMT -5
He's the same guy only with tweaks to his character he's definitely not relatable to Mick Foley in the sense that he has three different gimmicks portrayed by the same wrestler if you catch my drift.
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Post by Gorilla on Oct 4, 2018 21:42:31 GMT -5
Austin are all different characters. A good rule of thumb is, do the announcers ever acknowledge the other characters?
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Post by darkestknight on Oct 4, 2018 21:42:45 GMT -5
I would put him in with Goldust in a way. I think Dustin will always be remembered as Goldust, just as Austin will always be remembered as Stone Cold. I'm sure someone can and may make an argument that they are 3 separate characters, and they may be right. This is just how I see it. You couldn't narrow Mick down like that. He's all 3 faces.
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Post by LA Times on Oct 4, 2018 21:43:15 GMT -5
I have these guys as 2 distinct characters in my collection:
Ringmaster & Stone Cold Steve Austin
Narcissist & Total Package Lex Luger
Surfer & Crow Sting
Immortal & Hollywood Hulk Hogan
Rapping & Super John Cena
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Post by LK3 on Oct 4, 2018 21:46:25 GMT -5
Austin, to me, would be somewhere between Foley and Goldust/Shelton. To give an answer, I’d view them all as distinctly different gimmicks/characters/whatever.
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Post by PVA on Oct 4, 2018 21:49:21 GMT -5
Yeah I agree with that....
However if mattel ever made The Natural Dustin Rhodes then that would be a different character then goldust
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Post by Bandalero on Oct 4, 2018 22:34:56 GMT -5
ugh this might not be a popular sentiment, but Mick Foley will always be Cactus Jack to me.
I know everyone loves "the three faces of Foley" but I see Mankind as a WWE machine-made gimmick that made him a global name and Dude Love as a silly gimmick he always wanted to do and was finally allowed to do it because he was so successful with Mankind. IF he couldn't pull off Mankind, I doubt we'd ever have seen Dude Love. At the end of the day, I feel he established himself around the world as Cactus Jack, much like Abdullah the Butcher, Terry Funk and Bruiser Brody did.
Gold Standard Shelton is still Shelton Benjiman...wearing gold gear.
Dustin Rhodes and Goldust would be two different characters.
How would you treat Fred Ottman, John Tenta, and even Barry Dorsow?
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Post by Mongo Bears on Oct 4, 2018 22:37:47 GMT -5
Dustin Rhodes from wcw is different than Goldust.
Wcw stunning Steve is a different character from stone cold.
...what’s the problem?!??
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Post by mcfclee on Oct 5, 2018 0:57:25 GMT -5
Mick Foley is a strange anomaly but I usually treat it as different names equals different characters. Changes in nicknames and looks don’t cut it.
Then again I’ve got a million Austin’s, takers, warriors etc
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Post by stc13 on Oct 5, 2018 7:25:50 GMT -5
If we're talking different characters, I only consider it a different character if there was a name change. For example Foley, or Earthquake and Shark, or the three million different characters Ed Leslie played.
For Sting, Austin, Pillman, etc. I don't consider a gimmick change a new character. So Sting going from surfer to crow is just a different gimmick, not a totally new character. They're retaining the same ring name, just acting in a different way. You could make an argument for Ringmaster, since they dropped the Austin name I guess.
I guess the question just becomes who do you want represented in your collection. Personally I want both eras of Sting, or whitemeat babyface Pillman and loose cannon and it feels incomplete without them. It's the same character, but I want them both represented. I'm sure there are others who are happy with just one.
That's one of the nice things about collecting - how you do it is entirely subjective, and ultimately I'd say go with what makes the most sense to you.
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Post by Fighter Hayabusa on Oct 5, 2018 8:53:22 GMT -5
I think Austin are different characters. His personality and ring style changed with each nickname.
Stunning - cocky pretty boy
Superstar - bitter and angry
Ringmaster - technical wrestler
Stone Cold - trash talking asskicker
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Post by LA Times on Oct 5, 2018 21:03:16 GMT -5
If we're talking different characters, I only consider it a different character if there was a name change. For example Foley, or Earthquake and Shark, or the three million different characters Ed Leslie played. For Sting, Austin, Pillman, etc. I don't consider a gimmick change a new character. So Sting going from surfer to crow is just a different gimmick, not a totally new character. They're retaining the same ring name, just acting in a different way. You could make an argument for Ringmaster, since they dropped the Austin name I guess. I guess the question just becomes who do you want represented in your collection. Personally I want both eras of Sting, or whitemeat babyface Pillman and loose cannon and it feels incomplete without them. It's the same character, but I want them both represented. I'm sure there are others who are happy with just one. That's one of the nice things about collecting - how you do it is entirely subjective, and ultimately I'd say go with what makes the most sense to you. What about WWE guys who show up in the Impact Zone under a variation of their previous name?  |
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Post by Sexton Hardcastle on Oct 5, 2018 21:41:17 GMT -5
What about characters with massive gimmick changes like Bradshaw/JBL and Booker T/King Booker?
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Post by scotscollector on Oct 5, 2018 22:19:32 GMT -5
Would you also then define Macho King and Macho Man? 2 very different sides to Randy Savage!
Same with the undertaker you have the best (for me) original who first appeared against the American badass or whatever you call it...
This lots of wrestlers can be looked at this way actually.
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Post by POOR-ly Cuyler on Oct 5, 2018 22:30:51 GMT -5
I’m probably the wrong person to ask. I buy figures of people I like in attires I like. I couldn’t care less how many different names I have. I’d rather have 20 Macho Man and CM Punks than 1 Tito or Sheamus in my collection personally.
I guess for me it’s more about moments than roster depth. Like I have a Rollins and Bryan elite for all their title wins or major defenses.
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Post by Bandalero on Oct 5, 2018 23:16:38 GMT -5
choose: LOD or Road Warriors?
choose: Modern Day Warrior Kerry Von Erich or Texas Tornado Kerry Von Erich?
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Post by Nivro™ on Oct 5, 2018 23:22:14 GMT -5
choose: LOD or Road Warriors? choose: Modern Day Warrior Kerry Von Erich or Texas Tornado Kerry Von Erich? I tend to look at them as what they are most widely known for. The hardest exception to that is one that you just mentioned, LOD or Road Warriors. Some would argue that Legion of Doom is more recognizable however Road Warriors where world wide recognizable long before they made it to the WWE. I think the same can be said for Mick Foley. People still call him Cactus or Jack...nobody but a WWE fan comes up to him and says "Hey Mankind" |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2018 9:07:16 GMT -5
Same Character / Different Attitude. Evolution of Character -
Stunning Steve Austin / Stone Cold Steve Austin
Macho Man / Macho King
Hulk Hogan / Hollywood Hogan
Tugboat / Typhoon
Different Character all together -
Dustin Rhodes / Goldust
Mankind / Cactus Jack / Dude Love
Earthquake / Shark - Avalanch / Golga
Adam Bomb / Wrath - Clarke
Crush / Brian Adams
Grey Zone -
Razor / Hall
Diesel / Nash (talked about previous experiences and kept the same attitude)
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Post by Artie Kendall on Oct 6, 2018 9:54:58 GMT -5
Stone Cold<Stunning
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