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Post by Chicago on Oct 28, 2018 14:20:36 GMT -5
Is the Dude Love story even accurate? Wasn't Cactus Jack suppose to be in the Hall of Fame series and was cancelled? Obviously Bill should know, and is possibly correct, but I can also understand if he is confused about it doing as many figures as he has and stuff constantly changing. It's confusing enough as it is with the info right in front of your face. I don't blame Bill for not remembering everything in the exact order off of the top of his head. He would know more than anyone how far back it stretches, but there is absolutely truth to there being an unreleased Hall of Fame Cactus Jack AND Dude Love. I wasn't as active back when there were rumors of Dude Love being the fourth Defining Moments figure years ago, so forgive me if I don't remember the particular details from that period. I do remember when Dude Love was an option for an upcoming Defining Moments figure - the one originally listed online with Charlotte's name attached which eventually became Vengeance 2001 Chris Jericho. After that, Dude Love appeared with several other names on BrickSeek/Target's site in late 2017 that were thought to be coming in Hall of Fame Series 6. If that was ever going to become anything, I think the lineup would've included Paul Bearer (now Target's Hall of Champions Series 3), Dude Love (now Elite Series 62), Ricky Steamboat (now Walmart's Flashback Elite Series 3), and Shawn Michaels (now Walmart's Flashback Elite Series 2 *). Shortly thereafter came the rumored Flashback Elites exclusive to Walmart. Originally, the codes for Series 3 (then thought to be Series 2) shown names on BrickSeek/Walmart's site such as Paul Bearer, Dude Love, Ricky Steamboat, and Dusty Rhodes (now Elite Series 63). Steamboat was the only name to hold true for that lineup. You're thinking of the Walmart Flashback Elites. These (Hall of Champions Elite Series 1 Batista/Eddie/Rikishi/Undertaker) are exclusive to Target stores. By the way, here are/were the UPCs for what I believe was meant to be Hall of Fame Series 6: FBJ62 - WWE Hall of Fame Elite Paul Bearer Figure (UPC: 887961432640) FBJ64 - WWE Hall of Fame Elite Dude Love Figure (UPC: 887961432671)FBJ65 - WWE Hall of Fame Elite Ricky Steamboat Figure (UPC: 887961432633) FBJ66 - WWE Hall of Fame Elite Shawn Michaels Figure (UPC: 887961432701) As we all know now, Dude Love wound up in Elite Series 62. He finally found his forever home. *As Bill mentioned, the unreleased Hall of Fame Shawn Michaels later became the GameStop Exclusive RetroFest Elite, not Walmart's Flashback Elite Series 2 figure. Dude Love's Flashback Elite listing became Series 3 Stone Cold Steve Austin (the one based on KOTR '96).
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jeffro2000
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Post by jeffro2000 on Oct 28, 2018 14:25:58 GMT -5
Is the Dude Love story even accurate? Wasn't Cactus Jack suppose to be in the Hall of Fame series and was cancelled? Obviously Bill should know, and is possibly correct, but I can also understand if he is confused about it doing as many figures as he has and stuff constantly changing. It's confusing enough as it is with the info right in front of your face. I don't blame Bill for not remembering everything in the exact order off of the top of his head. He would know more than anyone how far back it stretches, but there is absolutely truth to there being an unreleased Hall of Fame Cactus Jack AND Dude Love. I wasn't as active back when there were rumors of Dude Love being the fourth Defining Moments figure years ago, so forgive me if I don't remember the particular details from that period. I do remember when Dude Love was an option for an upcoming Defining Moments figure - the one originally listed online with Charlotte's name attached which eventually became Vengeance 2001 Chris Jericho. After that, Dude Love appeared with several other names on BrickSeek/Target's site in late 2017 that were thought to be coming in Hall of Fame Series 6. If that was ever going to become anything, I think the lineup would've included Paul Bearer (now Target's Hall of Champions Series 3), Dude Love (now Elite Series 62), Ricky Steamboat (now Walmart's Flashback Elite Series 3), and Shawn Michaels (now Walmart's Flashback Elite Series 2). Shortly thereafter came the rumored Flashback Elites exclusive to Walmart. Originally, the codes for Series 3 (then thought to be Series 2) shown names on BrickSeek/Walmart's site such as Paul Bearer, Dude Love, Ricky Steamboat, and Dusty Rhodes (now Elite Series 63). Steamboat was the only name to hold true for that lineup. As we all know now, Dude Love wound up in Elite Series 62. He finally found his forever home. Yeah and I'm not trying to criticize Bill. I understand easily how he may be misremembering it. Very easy to do, and it's also very likely he isn't at all because he knows the truth about it of course. I was actually remembering wrong the time frame of HOF 1 and the cancelled 4th DM. I was thinking HOF was later but I guess not because we got a Hogan HOF and of course the later cancelled DM after Undertaker. We just know Cactus was scheduled for Hall of Fame, he was on the box, and cancelled very late. Dude could've been too of course and appears to have been. At this point, many of us just assumed he was the cancelled DM and the story went back to that. I/we are wrong on that it appears as Bill would remember that most likely.
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Post by stc13 on Oct 28, 2018 14:54:49 GMT -5
It's confusing enough as it is with the info right in front of your face. I don't blame Bill for not remembering everything in the exact order off of the top of his head. He would know more than anyone how far back it stretches, but there is absolutely truth to there being an unreleased Hall of Fame Cactus Jack AND Dude Love. Yeah and I'm not trying to criticize Bill. I understand easily how he may be misremembering it. Very easy to do, and it's also very likely he isn't at all because he knows the truth about it of course. We just know Cactus was scheduled for Hall of Fame, he was on the box, and cancelled very late. Dude could've been too of course and appears to have been. At this point, many if us just assumed he was the cancelled DM and the story went back to that. I/we are wrong on that it appears. If I'm following what Bill said correctly, it sounds like the HOF timeline looks like this: - Series 1 released as repaints (late 2014 release) - Series 2 new scuplting with planned wave 3 of repaints (I believe this is the set that was *initially* shown as HOF 4 with Edge, King Booker, Jake the Snake, and George Steel - that series ended up delayed forever and eventually were split across HOF 4 and HOF 5) - Dude Love is planned for with a set of new tooling (wave 4?) - HOF 2 releases Summer 2015 - The Hogan/Tito mixup happens, and HOF 3 releases in late 2015 as a set with new tooling, repaints get bumped to Wave 4. - Cactus Jack is in HOF 3, but gets pulled prior to release when Foley ends merch deal Chicago laid out the rest of the timeline perfectly as far as we know it. It possible Bill mixed up Catcus and Dude, since there was a long layover between HOF 3 and 4. But it's not totally out of the question that Dude was originally meant to be in the wave with Jimmy Hart, DiBiase, etc that required new tooling, and then was bumped in favor of Cactus. Catcus was a straight repaint of the RSC figure, while Bill said that was a wave with new tooling. They seem to lay out series in 4 wave blocks, and that would fit with the timeline and planning circa 2015. I feel like if Dude had been a cancelled DM, Bill would have remembered that detail. The Austin and Taker DM releases seem like such an odd situation, I think you'd have remembered having to pull Dude from the DM line. Either way, I think it just shows how crazy Bill's world is and how hard he has to work to get a figure back into the lineup when plans get screwed up. It's also interesting to look back at that DM poll, knowing that all of those figures got released except WM32 Rock. And perhaps the mystery of the DM figures remain...
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adecw
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Post by adecw on Oct 28, 2018 14:57:00 GMT -5
thank you I really enjoyed this
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Post by marklud on Oct 28, 2018 15:01:01 GMT -5
Great stuff, Sam. Enjoyed the interview and it was nice to hear Bill actually explain some of these behind-the-scenes decisions and elaborate on them instead of being so abrupt like the Ringside Q and As. Made me feel a little bad for ragging on Mattel yesterday but I still think they've messed things up with the Legends/Flashbacks planning.
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Post by Stoker Ichikawa on Oct 28, 2018 15:18:26 GMT -5
Thank you for asking about Alex Wright. Bill, Please reconsider the low probability for an Alex Wright figure. He was/is highly under appreciated. If we do get one, it will be a hell of a wictory
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Post by Chicago on Oct 28, 2018 15:23:20 GMT -5
It's also interesting to look back at that DM poll, knowing that all of those figures got released except WM32 Rock. The original placeholder name given for Entrance Greats Elite Goldberg's spot was The Rock. That poll option for WrestleMania 32 Rock immediately came to mind.
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Post by LA Knight Yeah! on Oct 28, 2018 15:47:52 GMT -5
Yeah really enjoyed this Sam good work bud should do more with bill
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Post by qdogg on Oct 28, 2018 15:51:03 GMT -5
It doesn't sound like anything surprising is coming. There was a long pause there lol
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Post by taserface on Oct 28, 2018 15:51:21 GMT -5
Sam Roberts, Bill Miekina, Zack Ryder & Curt Hawkins should all do a podcast together. I love the way those 4 play off of each other. It’s so nice to hear Bill open up and not act like a robot, like we get in these RS Q & A’s
Great job, and wish we could get something like this semi regularly
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Post by notsam on Oct 28, 2018 15:59:22 GMT -5
Yes- Notsam Wrestling is the show
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Post by popyduggan on Oct 28, 2018 16:05:59 GMT -5
Thank you Sam and Bill. I wonder, if Ryder is the Michael Jordan, is Sam like the Lance Von Erich?
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Post by Crossfit Jesus on Oct 28, 2018 16:07:22 GMT -5
Yes- Notsam Wrestling is the show thank you
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Post by RybackV1 on Oct 28, 2018 17:08:27 GMT -5
Loved it. notsam is a fantastic wrestling and figure analyst in general. Been listening to his wrestling podcast for a logntbike now and he really knows his $hit. Watching his interview with Bill was some good stuff. Bill coulda been a tad less secretive but I get it. Plus the hilarious jabs back and forth between Sam and the Majors. Hopefully there's more to come
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Post by legendsguy on Oct 28, 2018 17:13:40 GMT -5
ill be honest , this was not Bills best performance... and ill stop there..
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Post by Fighter Hayabusa on Oct 28, 2018 17:18:39 GMT -5
Hopefully the Dude Love story is asked and answered again in the Ringside Q&A with Bill having a better recollection and can tell it uninterrupted.
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Post by Gorilla on Oct 28, 2018 17:22:49 GMT -5
ill be honest , this was not Bills best performance... and ill stop there.. What is wrong with some of you guys?
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Post by WCWThunderRosa on Oct 28, 2018 17:25:08 GMT -5
Lmfao of course Hogan was the cause of the Tito catastrophe
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Post by legendsguy on Oct 28, 2018 17:28:52 GMT -5
ill be honest , this was not Bills best performance... and ill stop there.. What is wrong with some of you guys? im just trolling him tbh.. but in all seriousness I sorta felt like he was being sorta a jerk to the fans of this "public forum" he spoke about.. lol
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Post by Henchmen4Hire on Oct 28, 2018 18:03:18 GMT -5
LMAO it's a good watch, the tye-dye segment was great. and I hope they crank up the volume on Bill's mic next time.
Edit: There's a strong possibility we'll see a Bill/Sam Ryder/Hawkins no holds barred tag team match at Wrestlemania xD
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