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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2018 16:49:26 GMT -5
The whole Saudi Arabia thing seems to make WWE more political than ever (John Oliver criticizing the company is unique as well - he's not necessarily hating on pro wrestling for existing as other commentators in the past may have done, but rather specifically for their decision to go to KSA). It seems since the victory of Trump and right wing populism in America, the real spirit and allegiance of our beloved "pro-masculinity" Connecticut grappling company has become known and impossible to ignore. We've been aware of the Donald Trump-Vince McMahon connection for quite some time; beyond that, since 2017 we've had Linda as leader of the Small Business Administration and Kane became GOP mayor of Knox County, Tennessee two months ago. Saudi Arabia takes the politicization to a whole new level, however - the kingdom killed a man, and Daniel Bryan isn't going. John Cena isn't either. If this were 2002 and Rock's movie career were just taking off, would he also request the cancellation of his spot? Hard to tell. Hollywood's mass audiences are indeed different from WWE's.
Has the Saudi Arabia situation taken WWE to a new political level? Is it now "conservative" to watch McMahon's product?
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Post by Next Man’s Knowing Rock on Oct 31, 2018 17:24:20 GMT -5
The best part was them airing a Crown Jewel during Evolution. Women aren’t allowed on the show dummies. Maybe don’t advertise your blood money PPV on the WOMEN’S PPV. How tone deaf. Almost as tone deaf as getting banned half a dozen times but always making new accounts and posting the same nonsense on them. |
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Post by BØRNS on Oct 31, 2018 17:36:08 GMT -5
Yes, of course it brings more political complication to the company. Things are going to get more interesting as the business gets more *visibly/blatantly* intertwined with politics.
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Post by Turnbuckle Zealot(Phil) on Oct 31, 2018 17:46:26 GMT -5
40 million dollars or not, a bad move is a bad move & this just makes me want to stop spending my money with WWE. Most of us want to support specific talent, but we can't specifically convey that to the company. A 12,000 seat house show with an advertised main event of Roman Reign vs Sheamus is going to translate as "Roman drew the house/The WWE product and experience drew the house." In short, me not watching, but maintaining my network subscription even if it were in part of a 10,000 person strong boycott won't affect the bottom line.
It's discouraging.
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Post by rkmo: Aviso de Diez Meses on Oct 31, 2018 19:03:53 GMT -5
40 million dollars or not, a bad move is a bad move & this just makes me want to stop spending my money with WWE. Most of us want to support specific talent, but we can't specifically convey that to the company. A 12,000 seat house show with an advertised main event of Roman Reign vs Sheamus is going to translate as "Roman drew the house/The WWE product and experience drew the house." In short, me not watching, but maintaining my network subscription even if it were in part of a 10,000 person strong boycott won't affect the bottom line. It's discouraging. That is true. There is no longer an effective way people unhappy with this company's direction or decision making can voice their opinions and be heard. There is no direct competitor in the wrestling scene with a big enough footprint to lure disgruntled fans away, or for misused talent to go and receive comparative salaries and exposure and force the 'E to step up their game. There isn't much point in skipping live broadcasts of the shows because ratings don't matter much. There isn't much impact in boycotting the Network or merchandise, and you'd be pretty much punishing yourself (though some will say watching today's WWE product is punishment itself). We can come on here and type til our fingers bleed and all we'll draw is staunch WWE defenders goading, "Then don't watch. It's not meant for you anyway LOL." Like most of today's society, the WWE has built an echo chamber around itself so they can only hear positive feedback, and can pick and choose only the factors that support their decisions and ignore everything else. Top face draws more boos than anyone else on the roster? They're merely "controversial". Low tv ratings? Must be because we aren't featuring our "top guys" enough. Poor attendance? It must be because of our Indy signing that's buried in the middle of the card, not the main event. A segment of your audience constantly criticizing your product? It doesn't matter. Look at all the $$$ we're making! |
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Post by Turnbuckle Zealot(Phil) on Oct 31, 2018 20:01:24 GMT -5
40 million dollars or not, a bad move is a bad move & this just makes me want to stop spending my money with WWE. Most of us want to support specific talent, but we can't specifically convey that to the company. A 12,000 seat house show with an advertised main event of Roman Reign vs Sheamus is going to translate as "Roman drew the house/The WWE product and experience drew the house." In short, me not watching, but maintaining my network subscription even if it were in part of a 10,000 person strong boycott won't affect the bottom line. It's discouraging. That is true. There is no longer an effective way people unhappy with this company's direction or decision making can voice their opinions and be heard. There is no direct competitor in the wrestling scene with a big enough footprint to lure disgruntled fans away, or for misused talent to go and receive comparative salaries and exposure and force the 'E to step up their game. There isn't much point in skipping live broadcasts of the shows because ratings don't matter much. There isn't much impact in boycotting the Network or merchandise, and you'd be pretty much punishing yourself (though some will say watching today's WWE product is punishment itself). We can come on here and type til our fingers bleed and all we'll draw is staunch WWE defenders goading, "Then don't watch. It's not meant for you anyway LOL." Like most of today's society, the WWE has built an echo chamber around itself so they can only hear positive feedback, and can pick and choose only the factors that support their decisions and ignore everything else. Top face draws more boos than anyone else on the roster? They're merely "controversial". Low tv ratings? Must be because we aren't featuring our "top guys" enough. Poor attendance? It must be because of our Indy signing that's buried in the middle of the card, not the main event. A segment of your audience constantly criticizing your product? It doesn't matter. Look at all the $$$ we're making! I literally want to cut those people with machetes. I can't stand the people that try to belittle others for wanting wrestling to be great. They are literal scum and the reason I despise cynicism. Anyways, thank you for a response of substance. You would think a desire to have a product the company could take pride in would matter more, but they have various "campaigns" like Be A Star, Make a wish work, Connar'a Cure etc. That they can point too and argue that the product is great, and it's insane that WrestleMania draws more people every year, but the product overall just isn't what wrestling is supposed to be. It just doesn't make sense to me. |
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Post by Nivro™ on Oct 31, 2018 20:21:22 GMT -5
WWE is owned by Vince McMahon who has been a long time friend & business partner with Donald Trump. It doesnt matter what WWE chooses to do, the way people spend their days with the sole desire to attack Trump & anything involved with him, it was only a matter of time before they went after WWE.
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Post by Papi Joker on Oct 31, 2018 20:33:16 GMT -5
on the plus side! with this pay day WWE will have enough to bring McMgregor in
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Post by marino13 on Oct 31, 2018 20:33:52 GMT -5
As soon as Friday is over, nobody will even care. Nobody will bring it up. People on their cable "news" shows will move on till they think they found something else to drag WWE over the coals for. Those type of people only bring up wrestling when they can look down on it and it's fans. They like to paint the picture that we're all as redneck hillbillies with 3 remaining teeth. But when something comes up to discredit that, or to show the good WWE does, it goes unnoticed. The best part was them airing a Crown Jewel during Evolution. Women aren’t allowed on the show dummies. Maybe don’t advertise your blood money PPV on the WOMEN’S PPV. How tone deaf. Almost as tone deaf as getting banned half a dozen times but always making new accounts and posting the same nonsense on them. That's the second most confusing part about this whole thing. You'd think after being banned several times for the same thing, you wouldn't keep it up. He's so bad at it, we know it's him almost right away. The only thing more confusing is how he hasn't been re-banned yet. If I was bad guy™ , he'd have been gone (again) long ago. |
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Post by jayrod2009 on Oct 31, 2018 21:25:06 GMT -5
on the plus side! with this pay day WWE will have enough to bring McMgregor in Exactly. There isn’t one business owner that would turn a cheek to paying most of, if not all of your talents salaries off for a year with one show. $40 Million? I’d put on a show infront of Kim Jung Ill with commie flags as my ring skirt for the promise of a $40 Million pay off. Everyone has a price Hahahahah! |
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Post by ThugSuperstar on Oct 31, 2018 22:27:07 GMT -5
The worst part about this is that this is only the beginning. Vince is going to continue going back there every few months because of how much money he's being paid, and he'll continue to go all out and market the card as being one of the biggest of all time. If this was a one-time event that the WWE was tied into, maybe I could understand this more; but it's only going to get worse.
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Post by BØRNS on Oct 31, 2018 22:30:05 GMT -5
All I can say is I respect Cena and Bryan's decision. Obviously, Cena's decision is made in an attempt to secure more money by not going, but you'd think two of the biggest names today would give the rest of the roster more courage to band together, stand up for something larger than themselves, and say enough is enough.
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Post by Rude Awakening on Oct 31, 2018 22:44:00 GMT -5
The best part was them airing a Crown Jewel during Evolution. Women aren’t allowed on the show dummies. Maybe don’t advertise your blood money PPV on the WOMEN’S PPV. How tone deaf. yeah because a company isn’t supposed to promote a big ppv they have that takes place 5 days later |
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Post by marino13 on Nov 1, 2018 6:17:36 GMT -5
Like I said a few days ago, after this year, WWE will continue to go and just not air it on the Network. They won't promote it and it'll become a giant house-show. Nobody will care.
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Post by kingnothing ~ Hardwired... on Nov 1, 2018 6:18:45 GMT -5
As soon as Friday is over, nobody will even care. Nobody will bring it up. People on their cable "news" shows will move on till they think they found something else to drag WWE over the coals for. Those type of people only bring up wrestling when they can look down on it and it's fans. They like to paint the picture that we're all as redneck hillbillies with 3 remaining teeth. But when something comes up to discredit that, or to show the good WWE does, it goes unnoticed. Sadly, that’s the nature of business, no matter where you conduct it. It’s been studied for decades, and proven that the majority of individuals will tell anyone and everyone about a bad experience and only a small percentage will heap praise. That’s not saying you shouldn’t be vocal when something’s bad, but tact is a lost art unfortunately, and so many just rip into things with a lack of respect as if the person or company that messed up set out to hurt them purposely. As far as making the WWE “conservative,” it is what is. The extreme left and right, as well as most media outlets have been turning everything political for years in the US. Hell, Nike just proved that taking a political stance will provide a big financial gain, even if it’s just a short term boost as their stock is now back around where it was before that ad even ran (Kinda proves Marino13’s point about forgetting it after it’s over, huh?). I would say WWE and wrestling in general has been a bit more liberal as far as on screen product goes forever. Saying Vince has been a long-term friend of Trump doesn’t say much. Years ago Trump was a registered Democrat, and I don’t remember hearing much anger about them in the 80’s and 90’s. Conservative talk will go after anything against the right, just like Liberal media will go after anything against the left. And they’ll look for any hidden or under-the-radar ties they can find in an effort to “expose” them and garner headlines. Well, not all of them, but you get the idea. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2018 17:10:43 GMT -5
Politics and sport should stay very separate
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Post by Codyverse: Tag Team Champion on Nov 2, 2018 17:51:56 GMT -5
*anything but WWE* “Respect other countries and their cultures!” *WWE* “HYPOCRITICAL NO GOOD PIECES OF SH*T!!!” It’s a  ing wrestling show. |
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Post by ecwrhino on Nov 3, 2018 9:37:59 GMT -5
Glenn Jacob's is a Libertarian. A right leaning Libertarian, but a libertarian nonetheless. I doubt he supports Trumps ideas are far from Libertarian.
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Post by The Natural Eddy Valintino on Nov 3, 2018 10:43:48 GMT -5
The worst part about this is that this is only the beginning. Vince is going to continue going back there every few months because of how much money he's being paid, and he'll continue to go all out and market the card as being one of the biggest of all time. If this was a one-time event that the WWE was tied into, maybe I could understand this more; but it's only going to get worse. 9 more years of shows in Saudi Arabia. We all better get used to it. Anyone who is offended or against WWE going to Saudi Arabia could choose to not watch. |
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Post by walkingturtles on Nov 4, 2018 22:03:27 GMT -5
I honestly love how Vince handles criticism and outrage from the PC culture, he just ignores it and does whatever he wants to do. If more companies did this, we would hear less from the sky screaming PC Police.
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