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Post by BadGirlRyleigh on Nov 13, 2018 17:22:59 GMT -5
Not entirely, I think its safe to assume it didnt sell well enough, if it sold well it may even still be a thing Obviously it didn't sell well but why it didn't sale is something only Bill would know. Every reasoning someone gives you can have a good argument against it. Bill said Rock, Austin, Macho, & Warrior were the only guys who sold. That pretty much covers it.
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Post by stc13 on Nov 13, 2018 17:49:12 GMT -5
Bret Hart was not under contract at the start. They didn’t announce that they had Bret until well into 2011Bret Hart was announced as being signed at Toy Fair 2011 in February of 2011. According to Bill he was signed "a little bit earlier" when asked if the deal was done the first of the year. So Bret may have been under a deal at the end of 2010. This video has the Bret Hart discussion at the first full 2 minutes is about it: As someone who started collecting within the last few years, this video feels like it's from an alternate dimension. There seems to be so much energy and excitement over future possibilities, and some good tidbits of information. I love this line, but I feel like all I've ever heard since I've collected is "we can't make this" or "we cancelled that" where every tidbit of information is a closely guarded state secret. It is what it is, and at this point we feel lucky to get any new characters of legends figures at all. But it is interesting to think what could have been if some things had broken differently. The failure of the Legends line set off a chain reaction that we're still feeling today.
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Post by Nivro™ on Nov 13, 2018 17:59:44 GMT -5
Obviously it didn't sell well but why it didn't sale is something only Bill would know. Every reasoning someone gives you can have a good argument against it. Bill said Rock, Austin, Macho, & Warrior were the only guys who sold. That pretty much covers it. Which would be quite surprising because Series 3 Rock was a notorious shelf warmer that ended up at Dollar General and Ausin clogged shelves with the Kmart Hall of Fame re-release. I have no doubt Road Warriors sold though because they were one of the most wanted figures on the secondary market during & after their release and still are along with their LOD attires.
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Post by Artie Kendall on Nov 13, 2018 18:12:15 GMT -5
As someone who started collecting within the last few years, this video feels like it's from an alternate dimension. There seems to be so much energy and excitement over future possibilities, and some good tidbits of information. I love this line, but I feel like all I've ever heard since I've collected is "we can't make this" or "we cancelled that" where every tidbit of information is a closely guarded state secret. It is what it is, and at this point we feel lucky to get any new characters of legends figures at all. But it is interesting to think what could have been if some things had broken differently. The failure of the Legends line set off a chain reaction that we're still feeling today. I've been working on the Q&As for the Mattel's Answers Superthread that venomeratt started and there is a lot of good info out there in the old videos. Some of what is being said here is true about the Legends line and it's death. And there is very good information that just slip through the cracks and forgotten about. Like a good example is in a video from 2013 Bill M. confirmed that Crush was on a Mattel direct deal and that he was slated for the original Legends line but since the Legends Line failed they had to hold off on him. So someone that was signed in 2010-2012 didn't get put out until 2014. I only say 2012 because I can't remember when Mattel stopped the direct deals with wrestlers but I know it was over with by 2013. Edit - I forgot the Legends lined was done after 2010. So Crush had to have been signed in 2010 or possibly 2011 if they thought of going forward with the line. So 3-4 years to get that guy out.
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Post by wrestlingfan0815 on Nov 13, 2018 22:44:18 GMT -5
Honestly with the prices most of the legends series figures are going for you would think Mattel would at least try producing another set like that and see how it would sell.
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Post by LA Times on Nov 13, 2018 22:52:30 GMT -5
Wasn't the price point above the normal Elite line by like $5 or $10? I looked at my old Toys R Us e-receipts and they sold them for $12.99.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2018 23:36:52 GMT -5
Interesting, this may explain why we have not seen any more Crush figures released- his estate doesn't want to sign a deal with WWE for some reason?! I think Bundy, Martel & Demolition were also on Mattel deals and interestingly none of them have been remade either. Granted Bundy & Demolition were involved in the concussion lawsuit but if they have no interest in signing a legends deal then we won't ever see any other figures released of any of them.
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Post by Crossfit Jesus on Nov 14, 2018 1:00:42 GMT -5
Honestly with the prices most of the legends series figures are going for you would think Mattel would at least try producing another set like that and see how it would sell. nah it’s cuz they’re old
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Post by BadGirlRyleigh on Nov 14, 2018 1:28:32 GMT -5
Honestly with the prices most of the legends series figures are going for you would think Mattel would at least try producing another set like that and see how it would sell. Secondary market is always high and does not reflect actual demand
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2018 3:19:57 GMT -5
Honestly with the prices most of the legends series figures are going for you would think Mattel would at least try producing another set like that and see how it would sell. Doesnt work like that, just because the 15 or so on ebay sell for high prices doesnt mean they'd sell well in stores again
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Post by Gorilla on Nov 14, 2018 6:54:39 GMT -5
Mattel should have a pre-order system to determine if something gets made or not. Once enough people pre-purchase, they could then do a production run. I wonder what the minimum quantity is to do a run?
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Post by HandsomeHollywood on Nov 14, 2018 7:21:36 GMT -5
Mattel should have a pre-order system to determine if something gets made or not. Once enough people pre-purchase, they could then do a production run. I wonder what the minimum quantity is to do a run? Even that would be a headache. The high number of turnover or of people potentially canceling their preorder would render the system ineffective I bet. Unless you pay in full upfront, and that's something I wouldn't be comfortable doing without seeing a finished product. Also, it could stunt progress if there are required wait times. It's always going to be a gamble.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2018 7:32:39 GMT -5
Mattel should have a pre-order system to determine if something gets made or not. Once enough people pre-purchase, they could then do a production run. I wonder what the minimum quantity is to do a run? It works for one off large playset type things, like the Castle Grey Skull I believe it was, but it wouldn't work for individual figures, I don't think Maybe high end one off figures, who knows
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Post by POWERSOFPAIN83 on Nov 14, 2018 8:19:33 GMT -5
I would love if mattel would bring back the legends style packaging and include it in their elite lines for the flashbacks. I couldn't imagine it would be difficult, they did for Magnum TA in the lost legends series.
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Post by HandsomeHollywood on Nov 14, 2018 8:35:00 GMT -5
I would love if mattel would bring back the legends style packaging and include it in their elite lines for the flashbacks. I couldn't imagine it would be difficult, they did for Magnum TA in the lost legends series. I actually preferred the 2016 style. Like how E39 Sycho Sid has the old New Generation logo on the package, E51 Hall with the WCW logo. Was a nice touch.
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Post by legendsguy on Nov 14, 2018 8:50:58 GMT -5
the best we can hope for is the flashbacks are easy to find and buy. they wont be coming back...after the latest shift with the HOC and FB lines , I wouldn't expect them back anytime soon. theres either one or other truth .. either legends lines outsell the elite line, or the elite line outsells the legends lines... no one will ever know for sure which. shelfwarmers aren't just flashbacks...ive seen plenty of Charlottes, HHH, New Day, etc..rotting on shelves. its just sad we had to move back to the 2013 model and then even go worse and have 1 single store exclusive ship with the elite line. lol... and thena variant potentially to hunt down. smh.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2018 8:57:27 GMT -5
the best we can hope for is the flashbacks are easy to find and buy. they wont be coming back...after the latest shift with the HOC and FB lines , I wouldn't expect them back anytime soon. theres either one or other truth .. either legends lines outsell the elite line, or the elite line outsells the legends lines... no one will ever know for sure which. shelfwarmers aren't just flashbacks...ive seen plenty of Charlottes, HHH, New Day, etc..rotting on shelves. its just sad we had to move back to the 2013 model and then even go worse and have 1 single store exclusive ship with the elite line. lol... and thena variant potentially to hunt down. smh. If Legends outsold current then we would see more legends being made, I think its fairly obvious they dont, hence, the FB lines pretty much being cancelled or at least on hold Mattel make more of what sells and less of what dont, thats how a business like that works
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Post by legendsguy on Nov 14, 2018 9:18:52 GMT -5
the best we can hope for is the flashbacks are easy to find and buy. they wont be coming back...after the latest shift with the HOC and FB lines , I wouldn't expect them back anytime soon. theres either one or other truth .. either legends lines outsell the elite line, or the elite line outsells the legends lines... no one will ever know for sure which. shelfwarmers aren't just flashbacks...ive seen plenty of Charlottes, HHH, New Day, etc..rotting on shelves. its just sad we had to move back to the 2013 model and then even go worse and have 1 single store exclusive ship with the elite line. lol... and thena variant potentially to hunt down. smh. If Legends outsold current then we would see more legends being made, I think its fairly obvious they dont, hence, the FB lines pretty much being cancelled or at least on hold Mattel make more of what sells and less of what dont, thats how a business like that works yea I mean that's the obvious answer.. but no one truly knows.. it could go the other way...the legends outsell the main line hence why they want to remove/merge it to drive those sales to the main line. Also with the lack of talent signed under deals, it actually makes more sense to just cancel the lines.. after I thought about it .
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Post by HandsomeHollywood on Nov 14, 2018 9:25:15 GMT -5
One thing worth noting is that shelfwarmers aren't a new concept. We've always had them. I remember RA22 clogging shelves hard back in the day. Endless silver Rey Mysterios and Torrie Wilsons. My Walmart has been clogged to death with E54 Charlotte and the Mania elite Beefcakes. Even E39 Sycho Sid, who's clogged everywhere, hasn't spelled the end of days for Mattel.
I think we'll still be getting flashbacks, if only in the regular line. Look how hard it's been to get Harley and the rest of that series. Could we be prematurely hitting the panic button here?
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Post by taserface on Nov 14, 2018 9:32:49 GMT -5
the best we can hope for is the flashbacks are easy to find and buy. they wont be coming back...after the latest shift with the HOC and FB lines , I wouldn't expect them back anytime soon. theres either one or other truth .. either legends lines outsell the elite line, or the elite line outsells the legends lines... no one will ever know for sure which. shelfwarmers aren't just flashbacks...ive seen plenty of Charlottes, HHH, New Day, etc..rotting on shelves. its just sad we had to move back to the 2013 model and then even go worse and have 1 single store exclusive ship with the elite line. lol... and thena variant potentially to hunt down. smh. If Legends outsold current then we would see more legends being made, I think its fairly obvious they dont, hence, the FB lines pretty much being cancelled or at least on hold Mattel make more of what sells and less of what dont, thats how a business like that works Legends outselling current isn’t that far off base. In 2016 I believe the amount of Elite Flashbacks, Legends, in the mainline and all the sublines outnumbered the current roster releases I think WWE stepped in and said that’s not happening anymore Push NXT and current guys, sprinkle the old guys in That’s not saying they sell more than Roman, Seth, Cena, etc. but Mattel thought highly enough to make (if not more) 50% of Elites old school And by 2016 I’m referring to the lines 39 - 45 and the subsets, for those who want to do the math
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