mrassbillygunn
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Post by mrassbillygunn on Nov 12, 2018 21:54:51 GMT -5
you dont think its unreasonable for me to ask, "how could you let these hit retail, Bill?" As you've been informed many times in the thread, Bill's job is not to check every figure that gets packed and sent to stores. So it's a bizarre, pointless question that comes from a place of tantrum and cannot be answered - because Bill doesn't do the QC checks at the factories in Asia. He lives in the US. He isn't the person who "lets these hit retail." He designs the figures, that's his job. His job isn't to storm into the factories and throw everything on the floor because of QC issues. He doesn't run the line. People like you who think because I asked how Bill could let these hit retail, have WRONGLY assumed I think he should check every figure which is absolutely absurd. You and others are assuming these samples sent to Bill before he gives the go ahead havent got the FX flaw with the blurry eyes, Im far from convinced, not one single person can prove to me he didnt know of this issue before he gave the green light. So in that context I think it is reasonable to ask, how he could let these hit retail. The EG Roode is the perfect example which I stated many times through the thread that you didnt bother to mention...every Roode has that flaw. Atleast I gave a tangible piece of evidence to back my argument up, no one arguing against me has. So you can go ahead and close the thread, because no one can prove other wise which is why my argument stands up and why Ill continue to support it. Your saying he didnt know about the FX flaw, prove it lol? He surely knew about the issue with Roode. Why shouldnt I ask, how he can let these hit retail? |
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Post by One Punch Reigns on Nov 12, 2018 22:08:44 GMT -5
I'll concede and say that EG Roode wasn't the best, but I'm not mad because in some angles the resemblance is there and I have him posed facing away like in his entrance so no harm no foul. I still think calling this a disaster is a bit much considering the vast majority of figures are well done and aside from EG Roode I've yet to find a True FX figure I own that doesn't meet my standards.
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Post by Mongo Bears on Nov 12, 2018 22:13:43 GMT -5
I got hoc3 billy Gunn in the mail today. The face looks like he is wearing makeup around the eyes and the rest of his face just looks dirty. I also got paul bearer and I think the face looks amazing.
I’m returning billy Gunn. I think it was executed as they intended on mine but I don’t like it.
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Post by mrassbillygunn on Nov 12, 2018 22:27:09 GMT -5
I'll concede and say that EG Roode wasn't the best, but I'm not mad because in some angles the resemblance is there and I have him posed facing away like in his entrance so no harm no foul. I still think calling this a disaster is a bit much considering the vast majority of figures are well done and aside from EG Roode I've yet to find a True FX figure I own that doesn't meet my standards. Dude, I dont think the vast majority of them are well done, theres another example above of someone complaining about the HOC Billy Gunn. I think I was reasonable to say its been a disaster. What are the odds I buy two with the same problems if the majority are well done? If people think otherwise fair enough. I cant argue about someones taste in aesthetics, its purely relative but this issue is really coming under the spot light now that they are hitting retail. |
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Post by disorder on Nov 12, 2018 22:42:36 GMT -5
I think the real issue is..you (and many others) fail to understand how the approval and QC process is handled.
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Post by One Punch Reigns on Nov 13, 2018 11:25:19 GMT -5
I'll concede and say that EG Roode wasn't the best, but I'm not mad because in some angles the resemblance is there and I have him posed facing away like in his entrance so no harm no foul. I still think calling this a disaster is a bit much considering the vast majority of figures are well done and aside from EG Roode I've yet to find a True FX figure I own that doesn't meet my standards. Dude, I dont think the vast majority of them are well done, theres another example above of someone complaining about the HOC Billy Gunn. I think I was reasonable to say its been a disaster. What are the odds I buy two with the same problems if the majority are well done? If people think otherwise fair enough. I cant argue about someones taste in aesthetics, its purely relative but this issue is really coming under the spot light now that they are hitting retail. I have both HOC NAO figures and I think they look fine objectively speaking (Though Road Dogg could have had a bigger torso but I digress). Subjectivity is another thing since I might like how Gunn turned out but someone else may not. I'd like to think if it became a widespread issue as in more cases like the KO in the other thread as opposed to subjective tastes then Mattel would look into it further maybe not to completely eliminate the issue but find what's the most likely cause and fix it. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2018 11:31:52 GMT -5
So we can agree its not isolated but certainly isnt widespread?
There have always been issues, Renee Young and Lana basics werent that long ago lol
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Post by WalterF on Nov 13, 2018 11:35:32 GMT -5
It’s hit and miss but I have some w the tech that look excellent in hand - such as the WM Orton, the new elite Shinsuke, the new elite AJ etc.
I wanna see them go for HBK -I imagine it’ll either look truly bad or incredible
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Post by Next Man’s Knowing Rock on Nov 13, 2018 16:25:30 GMT -5
As you've been informed many times in the thread, Bill's job is not to check every figure that gets packed and sent to stores. So it's a bizarre, pointless question that comes from a place of tantrum and cannot be answered - because Bill doesn't do the QC checks at the factories in Asia. He lives in the US. He isn't the person who "lets these hit retail." He designs the figures, that's his job. His job isn't to storm into the factories and throw everything on the floor because of QC issues. He doesn't run the line. People like you who think because I asked how Bill could let these hit retail, have WRONGLY assumed I think he should check every figure which is absolutely absurd. You and others are assuming these samples sent to Bill before he gives the go ahead havent got the FX flaw with the blurry eyes, Im far from convinced, not one single person can prove to me he didnt know of this issue before he gave the green light. It's just sad ranty conspiracy theories at this point, maybe it's time to get out of the hobby if it's upsetting you that much that you're basing your tantrums on your own severely flawed understanding of how approval and QC works. If you've got defective figures, you can take it up with Mattel customer services or the store where you bought the figures. Ranting that the designer needs to stop them hitting retail is just funny. If the hobby isn't fun for you anymore, you might have a better time finding a new one. |
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Post by Squared² on Nov 13, 2018 16:52:42 GMT -5
I don’t think Bill hand paints every figure
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Post by Crossfit Jesus on Nov 13, 2018 17:09:44 GMT -5
Hit or miss, I guess they never miss huh?
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Post by powerfred3k on Nov 13, 2018 17:12:40 GMT -5
To be fair to the op Mattel's qc for the wwe line has been spotty as best even before this new "true fx" came out.
Its all fun and games until you order a figure off of rsc, amazon, ebay, etc and you open the packaging and see something is very wrong.
The cloth staining figures with the latest elite andre/giant machine is a prime example. The one i ordered from rsc was fine, but a month later i buy an extra from walmart that was really bad.
The andre the gaint in the target elite 4 pack is another example, i bought mine and andre's leg snapped clean off upon opening the box and I was not the only one.
Mattel needs to dedicate more time and money to quality control no doubt. But its not Bill's fault the factories are cranking out bad/defective products.
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Post by TheHitmanKid on Nov 13, 2018 17:40:12 GMT -5
To be fair to the op Mattel's qc for the wwe line has been spotty as best even before this new "true fx" came out. Its all fun and games until you order a figure off of rsc, amazon, ebay, etc and you open the packaging and see something is very wrong. The cloth staining figures with the latest elite andre/giant machine is a prime example. The one i ordered from rsc was fine, but a month later i buy an extra from walmart that was really bad. The andre the gaint in the target elite 4 pack is another example, i bought mine and andre's leg snapped clean off upon opening the box and I was not the only one. Mattel needs to dedicate more time and money to quality control no doubt. But its not Bill's fault the factories are cranking out bad/defective products. This guy has a point. To think that we will chalk it up to "hit or miss" is ridiculous. Nobody needs to be out there pick and choosing to find one that isn't defective or messed up. They should be great across the board and with every figure released. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2018 17:41:58 GMT -5
To be fair to the op Mattel's qc for the wwe line has been spotty as best even before this new "true fx" came out. Its all fun and games until you order a figure off of rsc, amazon, ebay, etc and you open the packaging and see something is very wrong. The cloth staining figures with the latest elite andre/giant machine is a prime example. The one i ordered from rsc was fine, but a month later i buy an extra from walmart that was really bad. The andre the gaint in the target elite 4 pack is another example, i bought mine and andre's leg snapped clean off upon opening the box and I was not the only one. Mattel needs to dedicate more time and money to quality control no doubt. But its not Bill's fault the factories are cranking out bad/defective products. This guy has a point. To think that we will chalk it up to "hit or miss" is ridiculous. Nobody needs to be out there pick and choosing to find one that isn't defective or messed up. They should be great across the board and with every figure released. There will NEVER be a time when all the figures released are perfect, if anyone thinks otheewise they are mistaken, errors always occur in mass produced toys |
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Post by mrassbillygunn on Nov 13, 2018 23:13:26 GMT -5
This guy has a point. To think that we will chalk it up to "hit or miss" is ridiculous. Nobody needs to be out there pick and choosing to find one that isn't defective or messed up. They should be great across the board and with every figure released. There will NEVER be a time when all the figures released are perfect, if anyone thinks otheewise they are mistaken, errors always occur in mass produced toys That, we are in agreement with. I can always look past the odd botched paint app here and there that is what happens with mass produced toys but this true FX is affecting way too many figures negatively at the moment. Id hope for Bill to call it quits with this new design going forward. |
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Post by mrassbillygunn on Nov 14, 2018 0:07:06 GMT -5
People like you who think because I asked how Bill could let these hit retail, have WRONGLY assumed I think he should check every figure which is absolutely absurd. You and others are assuming these samples sent to Bill before he gives the go ahead havent got the FX flaw with the blurry eyes, Im far from convinced, not one single person can prove to me he didnt know of this issue before he gave the green light. It's just sad ranty conspiracy theories at this point, maybe it's time to get out of the hobby if it's upsetting you that much that you're basing your tantrums on your own severely flawed understanding of how approval and QC works. If you've got defective figures, you can take it up with Mattel customer services or the store where you bought the figures. Ranting that the designer needs to stop them hitting retail is just funny. If the hobby isn't fun for you anymore, you might have a better time finding a new one. What conspiracy theory, the Bobby Roode, EG? The pixeleted eyes affected every one of his figures, it was awful looking! Atleast make an effort to argue the point. Rather than shoot it down. Could Bill not have called it quits with the true FX after that? Evidence it was flawed from the get go! Its not any other person than the head designer who can put a stop to the true FX being used in the future, is it? QC has showen it is incompetent, why even bother going after them when it will continue as long as the true FX is in place, its Bill and only Bill that can decide to stop using the true FX. From EG Roode, Goldberg, Elias, HOC BG, need I go on? Look through the thread, theres every reason for me to call Bill out on this and ask that he stops this true FX being used and further ruining more figures. The buck stops at him, if he continues, he risks the aesthetics of his elites. You can take your patronizing tone elsewhere btw, Ill continue with my hobby in the hope that it gets fixed, thanks for your concern all the same. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2018 3:12:11 GMT -5
There will NEVER be a time when all the figures released are perfect, if anyone thinks otheewise they are mistaken, errors always occur in mass produced toys That, we are in agreement with. I can always look past the odd botched paint app here and there that is what happens with mass produced toys but this true FX is affecting way too many figures negatively at the moment. Id hope for Bill to call it quits with this new design going forward. I cant see them changing it any time soon, everytime Bill is interviewed he raves about it, like its the best thing ever, which also tells me that the samples hes seeing are very different to what some of you are seeing |
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Post by Nathan from Aus on Nov 14, 2018 6:12:16 GMT -5
Well come on, post a bloody photo then?
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Post by taserface on Nov 14, 2018 6:31:56 GMT -5
It's just sad ranty conspiracy theories at this point, maybe it's time to get out of the hobby if it's upsetting you that much that you're basing your tantrums on your own severely flawed understanding of how approval and QC works. If you've got defective figures, you can take it up with Mattel customer services or the store where you bought the figures. Ranting that the designer needs to stop them hitting retail is just funny. If the hobby isn't fun for you anymore, you might have a better time finding a new one. What conspiracy theory, the Bobby Roode, EG? The pixeleted eyes affected every one of his figures, it was awful looking! Atleast make an effort to argue the point. Rather than shoot it down. Could Bill not have called it quits with the true FX after that? Evidence it was flawed from the get go! Its not any other person than the head designer who can put a stop to the true FX being used in the future, is it? QC has showen it is incompetent, why even bother going after them when it will continue as long as the true FX is in place, its Bill and only Bill that can decide to stop using the true FX. From EG Roode, Goldberg, Elias, HOC BG, need I go on? Look through the thread, theres every reason for me to call Bill out on this and ask that he stops this true FX being used and further ruining more figures. The buck stops at him, if he continues, he risks the aesthetics of his elites. You can take your patronizing tone elsewhere btw, Ill continue with my hobby in the hope that it gets fixed, thanks for your concern all the same. You have seen the comparison photos of the HOC Billy Gunn and Road Dogg side by side with their previous Elites right? The new ones look miles ahead of the old ones. Not sure what your issue is but if it’s that big of a deal for you, don’t buy them or buy them and headswap. That’s what I did to the SummerSlam Seth Rollins because I thought it looked horrendous. Of course also the one horrible Uso from E54 |
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Post by Sting on Nov 14, 2018 6:41:51 GMT -5
It's just sad ranty conspiracy theories at this point, maybe it's time to get out of the hobby if it's upsetting you that much that you're basing your tantrums on your own severely flawed understanding of how approval and QC works. If you've got defective figures, you can take it up with Mattel customer services or the store where you bought the figures. Ranting that the designer needs to stop them hitting retail is just funny. If the hobby isn't fun for you anymore, you might have a better time finding a new one. What conspiracy theory, the Bobby Roode, EG? The pixeleted eyes affected every one of his figures, it was awful looking! Atleast make an effort to argue the point. Rather than shoot it down. Could Bill not have called it quits with the true FX after that? Evidence it was flawed from the get go! Its not any other person than the head designer who can put a stop to the true FX being used in the future, is it? QC has showen it is incompetent, why even bother going after them when it will continue as long as the true FX is in place, its Bill and only Bill that can decide to stop using the true FX. From EG Roode, Goldberg, Elias, HOC BG, need I go on? Look through the thread, theres every reason for me to call Bill out on this and ask that he stops this true FX being used and further ruining more figures. The buck stops at him, if he continues, he risks the aesthetics of his elites. You can take your patronizing tone elsewhere btw, Ill continue with my hobby in the hope that it gets fixed, thanks for your concern all the same. 100% the buck stops with Bill at the end of the day. But I don't think Bill will change from this new face printing stuff. I order my figures online so I don't know what my figures will look like until they get delivered. And I order from the UK so to send figures back to the states is tearfully expensive. I got Roode, didn't think he was too bad. I just hope my Goldberg etc don't have beards and eyebrows in the wrong places etc. Hopefully they do fix up on the QC at Mattel ... although something tells me they won't. I guess we should all just keep returning any figures that have poorly printed faces, maybe then Mattel will improve QC. |
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