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Post by kingnothing ~ Hardwired... on Nov 14, 2018 8:06:34 GMT -5
It's just sad ranty conspiracy theories at this point, maybe it's time to get out of the hobby if it's upsetting you that much that you're basing your tantrums on your own severely flawed understanding of how approval and QC works. If you've got defective figures, you can take it up with Mattel customer services or the store where you bought the figures. Ranting that the designer needs to stop them hitting retail is just funny. If the hobby isn't fun for you anymore, you might have a better time finding a new one. What conspiracy theory, the Bobby Roode, EG? The pixeleted eyes affected every one of his figures, it was awful looking! Atleast make an effort to argue the point. Rather than shoot it down. Could Bill not have called it quits with the true FX after that? Evidence it was flawed from the get go! Its not any other person than the head designer who can put a stop to the true FX being used in the future, is it? QC has showen it is incompetent, why even bother going after them when it will continue as long as the true FX is in place, its Bill and only Bill that can decide to stop using the true FX. From EG Roode, Goldberg, Elias, HOC BG, need I go on? Look through the thread, theres every reason for me to call Bill out on this and ask that he stops this true FX being used and further ruining more figures. The buck stops at him, if he continues, he risks the aesthetics of his elites. You can take your patronizing tone elsewhere btw, Ill continue with my hobby in the hope that it gets fixed, thanks for your concern all the same. You’re hanging the brunt of your argument on the Roode EG. That’s the only one that didn’t hit the mark, yet almost everyone I’ve seen has the face painted the exact same way. You don’t like the eyes on True FX. That’s opinion. Up close, I don’t like them either, but on display it looks fine to me. That’s opinion, too. Neither is fact though. I’ve always condoned voicing concern about things we don’t like, but tactfully. And sadly, that’s a lost art. And calling for Bill to cease or else seems a bit extreme. Another fact is that we’re the minority’s of this hobby on this board. And I personally don’t think the mistakes are as widespread as you and a few others are making it appear. I’ve been up and down the east coast recently, and I’ve maybe seen 2 with the eyes slightly off center. I feel like I saw more DM GAB Stings with paint issues than TFX. Of course, YMMV. Beyond all that, I’ll beat the dead horse one more time: Marvel Legends started using this tech and it took them the better part of a year to perfect it. Now they have some of the most well received scans for their MCU line next to Figuarts and Mafex. ML cost the same as an elite. Figuarts and Mafex cost about 4X more.
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Post by TeamFnKick on Nov 14, 2018 9:23:24 GMT -5
I love how the faces look...well some.. but ive seen way too many figures with weird weird stuff going on.. my stroke face micky or the ko with the paint put on wrong i found the other day... or the weird facial hair it gave angle and shane in that basic set. I like them to continue with it..just maybe tighten up.
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Post by mrassbillygunn on Nov 14, 2018 9:40:49 GMT -5
What conspiracy theory, the Bobby Roode, EG? The pixeleted eyes affected every one of his figures, it was awful looking! Atleast make an effort to argue the point. Rather than shoot it down. Could Bill not have called it quits with the true FX after that? Evidence it was flawed from the get go! Its not any other person than the head designer who can put a stop to the true FX being used in the future, is it? QC has showen it is incompetent, why even bother going after them when it will continue as long as the true FX is in place, its Bill and only Bill that can decide to stop using the true FX. From EG Roode, Goldberg, Elias, HOC BG, need I go on? Look through the thread, theres every reason for me to call Bill out on this and ask that he stops this true FX being used and further ruining more figures. The buck stops at him, if he continues, he risks the aesthetics of his elites. You can take your patronizing tone elsewhere btw, Ill continue with my hobby in the hope that it gets fixed, thanks for your concern all the same. You’re hanging the brunt of your argument on the Roode EG. That’s the only one that didn’t hit the mark, yet almost everyone I’ve seen has the face painted the exact same way. You don’t like the eyes on True FX. That’s opinion. Up close, I don’t like them either, but on display it looks fine to me. That’s opinion, too. Neither is fact though. I’ve always condoned voicing concern about things we don’t like, but tactfully. And sadly, that’s a lost art. And calling for Bill to cease or else seems a bit extreme. Another fact is that we’re the minority’s of this hobby on this board. And I personally don’t think the mistakes are as widespread as you and a few others are making it appear. I’ve been up and down the east coast recently, and I’ve maybe seen 2 with the eyes slightly off center. I feel like I saw more DM GAB Stings with paint issues than TFX. Of course, YMMV. Beyond all that, I’ll beat the dead horse one more time: Marvel Legends started using this tech and it took them the better part of a year to perfect it. Now they have some of the most well received scans for their MCU line next to Figuarts and Mafex. ML cost the same as an elite. Figuarts and Mafex cost about 4X more. Not just Roode, Roode was the example I gave to support my argument that Bill knew this was flawed as others were protesting its impossible for him to know without going to China and inspecting every figure lol. Theres been plenty of other figures that have shown to have the same problems, you're saying its not widespread, thats your opinion from your evidence but theres plenty of evidence that points to the contrary which is why I feel well within my rights to call it a disaster. If evidence is there which myself and others have shown, then It can be argued that it is indeed a fact, after all thats what evidence is about. If a product has been shown to be flawed thats fact not an opinion. You're saying up close you dont like them either, well that very thing that you dont like must be a fact, its a fact that the eyes are wonky or whatever the flaw may be. Thats not opinion, it would be an opinion if you didnt like the eye colour for example.
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Post by kingnothing ~ Hardwired... on Nov 14, 2018 9:58:19 GMT -5
You’re hanging the brunt of your argument on the Roode EG. That’s the only one that didn’t hit the mark, yet almost everyone I’ve seen has the face painted the exact same way. You don’t like the eyes on True FX. That’s opinion. Up close, I don’t like them either, but on display it looks fine to me. That’s opinion, too. Neither is fact though. I’ve always condoned voicing concern about things we don’t like, but tactfully. And sadly, that’s a lost art. And calling for Bill to cease or else seems a bit extreme. Another fact is that we’re the minority’s of this hobby on this board. And I personally don’t think the mistakes are as widespread as you and a few others are making it appear. I’ve been up and down the east coast recently, and I’ve maybe seen 2 with the eyes slightly off center. I feel like I saw more DM GAB Stings with paint issues than TFX. Of course, YMMV. Beyond all that, I’ll beat the dead horse one more time: Marvel Legends started using this tech and it took them the better part of a year to perfect it. Now they have some of the most well received scans for their MCU line next to Figuarts and Mafex. ML cost the same as an elite. Figuarts and Mafex cost about 4X more. Not just Roode, Roode was the example I gave to support my argument that Bill knew this was flawed as others were protesting its impossible for him to know without going to China and inspecting every figure lol. Theres been plenty of other figures that have shown to have the same problems, you're saying its not widespread, thats your opinion from your evidence but theres plenty of evidence that points to the contrary which is why I feel well within my rights to call it a disaster. If evidence is there which myself and others have shown, then It can be argued that it is indeed a fact, after all thats what evidence is about. If a product has been shown to be flawed thats fact not an opinion. You're saying up close you dont like them either, well that very thing that you dont like must be a fact, its a fact that the eyes are wonky or whatever the flaw may be. Thats not opinion, it would be an opinion if you didnt like the eye colour for example. The very thing I don’t like must be a fact? I don’t care for the eye style if I’m half an inch on top of it. Kind of how I don’t like sitting 2 inches from my tv. But hey, you do you and ignore half what I wrote. I’ll repeat, we’re the minority’s here. We probably represent 25% of sales for Mattel as collectors, and less than that posting here, so we don’t see every product that hits retailers. Go ahead and pretend that there’s that many QC issues out there if it makes you feel better. And also, don’t go and do any research on how business, production and quality control works either. We wouldn’t want you to contribute something level headed anyway. Hope you find something to de-stress soon though.
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Post by Sting on Nov 14, 2018 10:32:42 GMT -5
I love how the faces look...well some.. but ive seen way too many figures with weird weird stuff going on.. my stroke face micky or the ko with the paint put on wrong i found the other day... or the weird facial hair it gave angle and shane in that basic set. I like them to continue with it..just maybe tighten up. Lol i remember that post. Toooooo funny haha
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Post by mattelwwecollector on Nov 14, 2018 12:25:07 GMT -5
The very thing I don’t like must be a fact? I don’t care for the eye style if I’m half an inch on top of it. Kind of how I don’t like sitting 2 inches from my tv. But hey, you do you and ignore half what I wrote. I’ll repeat, we’re the minority’s here. We probably represent 25% of sales for Mattel as collectors, and less than that posting here, so we don’t see every product that hits retailers. Go ahead and pretend that there’s that many QC issues out there if it makes you feel better. And also, don’t go and do any research on how business, production and quality control works either. We wouldn’t want you to contribute something level headed anyway. Hope you find something to de-stress soon though. lol...a few red herrings in there. You go ahead and ignore half of what I wrote throughout this thread. Pot calling the kettle black. The very thing you dont like, is what? the pixeleted eyes on Roode? Well then, yea its a fact. Every figure had that flaw. Fact. You cant just say, "oh its fine when Im not up close" and thus totally ignoring the point in question. Many things are fine at a distance lol. Is 25% of sales not sufficient btw? (I love how you arbitrarily use 25%) theres no pretence either, on the contrary you will find the thread filled eith evidence that its flawed, if ofcourse you bother to read through it and not jump on as a, Johnny-come-lately. You're arguing that I dont see every prodcut that hits retail, and you do? Its just getting silly at this point, best someone takes the appropriate action and locks the thread. We dont want to waste each others time. Dude... seriously just call Mattel customer services and be done with the issue, hopefully you get a suitable replacement, going back and forth on here is as pointless as bringing up the issue in the first place as people will always disagree based on personal experiance and QC is always brought up on here so we're all aware there are figs out there with issues, we all have our opinions on QC ive personally seen around an 80-20 split in favour of good QC so our experiences differ. Good luck to you.
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Post by SmithyPlayz on Nov 14, 2018 12:36:24 GMT -5
The issue is in a world where online is the main place of ordering we must have some consistency. Now I know it is probably 1-2 but recently it seems to be a lot of figures have the same issue like with Tyler Bate's arm I believe so I feel like it does need to get more consistent and I think in time it will get better
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2018 3:24:13 GMT -5
Looks like FX paint apps are here to stay on quite a few different lines. I've always thought the Mattel WWE figures looked just fine as they were.
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Post by Lorenzo Alcazar on Nov 18, 2018 6:47:51 GMT -5
I finally got two figures that were painted correct! My Elite AOP looks fine. But before that, all the ones I had were messed up.
WM Elite Randy Orton Elite Mickie James Elite Roman Reigns EG Bobby Roode Elite Kevin Owens
Hopefully this was just a stretch of bad luck because when done PROPERLY the heads look good.
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Post by Glorydaysofwrestling on Nov 18, 2018 7:36:10 GMT -5
So far it seems cheap, and the amount of qc issues is ridiculous.
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Post by cordless2016 on Nov 18, 2018 10:27:03 GMT -5
People need to chill on the FX. Sure some are off, but Figuarts and Mafex have the same issues at times. Hasbro took a while to perfect it with their Marvel Legends line and now a lot of their scans surpass even the Japanese Imports.
From what I’ve seen in person Mattel has already been getting better at it. For every messed up one posted on here, I’ve seen atleast two good ones at retail. I was at Target the other day and saw some great Kevin Owens and Styles.
I guarantee everyone complaining now will be loving the FX in a year from now like most changes to the Elite line over the years.
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Post by Robert69 on Nov 18, 2018 21:13:46 GMT -5
People need to chill on the FX. Sure some are off, but Figuarts and Mafex have the same issues at times. Hasbro took a while to perfect it with their Marvel Legends line and now a lot of their scans surpass even the Japanese Imports. From what I’ve seen in person Mattel has already been getting better at it. For every messed up one posted on here, I’ve seen atleast two good ones at retail. I was at Target the other day and saw some great Kevin Owens and Styles. I guarantee everyone complaining now will be loving the FX in a year from now like most changes to the Elite line over the years. If anyone wants to see the difference in potential/quality of new scanning tech, all they have to do is a side-by-side comparison of the Drax figs from the first and second GotG movies. The second is superior in every way, and the difference is night-and-day.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2018 21:34:18 GMT -5
Im gonna say after everything ive seen , im not crazy about the true fx as a whole
Every austin ive seen looks like he has eyeliner on. The eyes themself are sparkly and odd looking
The billy gunns ive seen look like hes tired or hungover. They seem to have darkish eyes.
That new macho basic looks strung out
I could go on. Im not fully against it but im not for it either. For me i just dont want change to my collection. For my figures to start looking different now (ultimate editions warrior torso, true fx paint apps)
I would rather see the additional money going into accessories etc. Just my 2 cents
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2018 21:40:16 GMT -5
The billy gunns ive seen look like hes tired or hungover. They seem to have darkish eyes. This exactly
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Post by buddyboy101 on Nov 18, 2018 21:46:20 GMT -5
The billy gunns ive seen look like hes tired or hungover. They seem to have darkish eyes. This exactly Also some strange shadowing on his lower face, looks like a five o'clock shadow. Someone compared him to Homer Simpson lol Also the True FX stubble on the WM Scott Hall is pretty bad - it's too bad b/c the protos looked good.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2018 22:00:25 GMT -5
Also some strange shadowing on his lower face, looks like a five o'clock shadow. Someone compared him to Homer Simpson lol Also the True FX stubble on the WM Scott Hall is pretty bad - it's too bad b/c he protos looked good. It is a real shame that almost everytime they never match the protos when they reach production.
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Post by buddyboy101 on Nov 18, 2018 22:25:32 GMT -5
Also some strange shadowing on his lower face, looks like a five o'clock shadow. Someone compared him to Homer Simpson lol Also the True FX stubble on the WM Scott Hall is pretty bad - it's too bad b/c he protos looked good. It is a real shame that almost everytime they never match the protos when they reach production. Yeah sometimes the final release looks a little bit better than the proto, but usually it's the other way around
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Post by BØRNS on Nov 19, 2018 0:00:05 GMT -5
Looks like FX paint apps are here to stay on quite a few different lines. I've always thought the Mattel WWE figures looked just fine as they were. Yeah, I don't know if there's a need for it. It's just gonna be another excuse to raise the prices soon, "oh, production budget cost increase".
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Post by xomanowar on Nov 20, 2018 8:08:20 GMT -5
Im gonna say after everything ive seen , im not crazy about the true fx as a whole Every austin ive seen looks like he has eyeliner on. The eyes themself are sparkly and odd looking The billy gunns ive seen look like hes tired or hungover. They seem to have darkish eyes. That new macho basic looks strung out I could go on. Im not fully against it but im not for it either. For me i just dont want change to my collection. For my figures to start looking different now (ultimate editions warrior torso, true fx paint apps) I would rather see the additional money going into accessories etc. Just my 2 cents You hit the nail on the head with each and every one. True FX is True Crap. I may do some head swaps (older heads onto newer bodies), but if this continues, my days of collecting new figures may be ending.
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Post by One Punch Reigns on Nov 21, 2018 14:33:28 GMT -5
I just got EG Goldberg in the mail and overall I'm surprised at how good it turned out. Everything looks to be in place to me at least. http://instagram.com/p/Bqc5eq9nRTI
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