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Post by Kill Em' All on Nov 16, 2018 1:39:00 GMT -5
What if Vince kept Taker with his supernatural character aspects, how would Taker be booked and act like in 00-03?
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Post by Papi Joker on Nov 16, 2018 1:45:28 GMT -5
he would not have, he was not interested in supernatural gimmicks at that time, he wanted reality, hence why he stripped down to himself, MARK CALLOWAY, if Vince made him stay supernatural, I read somewhere Taker was considering going to WCW and do ABA there.
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Post by TKO Propagandist on Nov 16, 2018 4:10:12 GMT -5
People would have definitely been more annoyed by Taker, the gimmick change made people ignore how out of shape and bad inring he was during the first year or so of the ABA. He was already transitioning to this character before he left in 99 too.
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Post by MKSavage on Nov 16, 2018 9:15:04 GMT -5
he would not have, he was not interested in supernatural gimmicks at that time, he wanted reality, hence why he stripped down to himself, MARK CALLOWAY, if Vince made him stay supernatural, I read somewhere Taker was considering going to WCW and do ABA there. I believe Kevin Nash was the one who said this, because they couldn't use the Undertaker gimmick in WCW (Vince owned it) they had to come up with something new and ABA was what Taker wanted. Taker may have expressed this to Vince and if Vince turned it down he probably would have gone to WCW.
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Post by Deep Figure Value on Nov 16, 2018 13:01:09 GMT -5
It's weird to consider it, given that it was only a 3-4 year stretch, but I feel like there's a possibility that just doubling down on the Undertaker's longstanding gimmick could have potentially come to be detrimental to the way his overall career would one day be looked upon. It's always been a bit of fun contention because I always liked the ABA and I have a friend that vehemently didn't. I feel like, in addition to just being plain fun (at least to me), engaging in such a drastic shift from what he'd been doing up until that point bought him a new lease on the character. Absence makes the heart grow fonder, and I think the overall result of holding back the "vintage" Undertaker for a period of time did favors across the board.
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Post by nibs92 on Nov 16, 2018 15:46:37 GMT -5
he would not have, he was not interested in supernatural gimmicks at that time, he wanted reality, hence why he stripped down to himself, MARK CALLOWAY, if Vince made him stay supernatural, I read somewhere Taker was considering going to WCW and do ABA there. I believe Kevin Nash was the one who said this, because they couldn't use the Undertaker gimmick in WCW (Vince owned it) they had to come up with something new and ABA was what Taker wanted. Taker may have expressed this to Vince and if Vince turned it down he probably would have gone to WCW. Would he really have gone to WCW though? By the time ABA came about WCW was pretty much on life support. Taker was a locker room leader in the WWF and well respected. I don’t think he would have gone to the political minefield of WCW.
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Post by MKSavage on Nov 16, 2018 16:55:07 GMT -5
I believe Kevin Nash was the one who said this, because they couldn't use the Undertaker gimmick in WCW (Vince owned it) they had to come up with something new and ABA was what Taker wanted. Taker may have expressed this to Vince and if Vince turned it down he probably would have gone to WCW. Would he really have gone to WCW though? By the time ABA came about WCW was pretty much on life support. Taker was a locker room leader in the WWF and well respected. I don’t think he would have gone to the political minefield of WCW. That's what Nash said, he was trying to get Taker there for a while but Taker was loyal to Vince and the WWF. However, he said that Taker was not liking some of the things that they were doing in the WWF and what his role was, which is why he probably reached out to Nash in 1999 when Nash was the booker. Then again, Taker could have reached out to WCW as a way to leverage Vince for things Taker wanted (more money, different character).
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Post by Brad on Nov 16, 2018 21:08:39 GMT -5
This is the first I've heard about Taker considering going to WCW. Interesting.
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Post by Kill Em' All on Nov 17, 2018 12:50:23 GMT -5
I still feel if Sting came in during Invasion, Taker would turn into the deadman again.
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Post by The Brain on Nov 17, 2018 19:04:57 GMT -5
We all know what they did to Bret's career when he went to WCW. I can only imagine what they would've done to Taker's.
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Post by theoutlaw1999 on Nov 17, 2018 19:26:08 GMT -5
Let's be honest Taker in 97/98 was pretty much human so it wouldn't have really made a difference if he reverted back to that persona after his Lord of Darkness run.
His only real downfall during his biker gimmick was his ring work. 2001 was possibly my least favourite Taker year.
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Post by K5 on Nov 17, 2018 23:33:09 GMT -5
he had just been the company’s biggest heel in 98 and 99 at certain points, so i would say a slow crow sting approach would have worked well - hiding in darkness, painted look maybe, etc.
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Post by TheEvilDoink1987 on Nov 20, 2018 6:38:43 GMT -5
Let's be honest Taker in 97/98 was pretty much human so it wouldn't have really made a difference if he reverted back to that persona after his Lord of Darkness run. His only real downfall during his biker gimmick was his ring work. 2001 was possibly my least favourite Taker year. Agreed. When he first debuted the ABA gimmick in 2000, I actually kind of liked it. Nothing will ever beat early 90s Undertaker in my opinion, but the character had grown kind of stale so it was refreshing to see him get such a drastic overhaul. However, like the OP mentioned, I don't think I've ever cared less about The Undertaker than I did in 2001. He was prominently featured all the time, but I was over the new gimmick already. It didn't help that he was gaining some weight which affected his in-ring abilities. However, as bad as that stretch was, once he turned heel at the end of the year and cut his hair it changed everything. That may be one of my favorite Undertaker runs ever which says something because I'm biased towards the Deadman gimmick. Undertaker as a cowardly biker bully just worked so well. 2002 was one of his best years if you ask me, but once he turned face again that fall I lost interest for the rest of his ABA stint. So to sum it up, I initially liked the character because it was different, but looking back I think it was most effective when he was playing the bad guy. And to answer the original question, Kid Rock probably wouldn't be in the WWE Hall of Fame without ABA Undertaker.
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Post by blissfan4life on Nov 20, 2018 7:51:47 GMT -5
I think Ron Simmons would have been fine on his own.... oh ABA not APA.
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Post by rowdy1971 on Nov 21, 2018 17:14:36 GMT -5
We would have never had this fashion moment:
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Post by TheXtremisT on Nov 22, 2018 14:48:49 GMT -5
We would have never had this fashion moment: I never understood that. The Godfather (who was in RTC at the time), just so happened to have his gear he hadn't worn for months in his travel bag, despite not needing it? Or was it something like he lived nearby and was able to go home and get it for Taker?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2018 12:06:10 GMT -5
We would have never had this fashion moment: I bet Undertaker loves this shot. Also, I wonder how many snakes had to be killed to make those pants.
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Post by PJ on Nov 25, 2018 14:10:32 GMT -5
We would have never had this fashion moment: And that would have been a good thing.
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Post by LA Times on Nov 25, 2018 15:42:49 GMT -5
We would have never had this fashion moment: I never understood that. The Godfather (who was in RTC at the time), just so happened to have his gear he hadn't worn for months in his travel bag, despite not needing it? Or was it something like he lived nearby and was able to go home and get it for Taker? Couldnt the Undertaker have went into a department store and bought a pair of black jeans?
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Post by JC Motors on Dec 14, 2018 20:55:34 GMT -5
We would have never had this fashion moment: That's it I want an Elite figure of that attire
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