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Post by The Sexy Psychotic on Nov 17, 2018 6:06:44 GMT -5
So I've been going back and watching a time I think is very underrated and forgotten about, the time from No Mercy 99 till Mania 16 and I've just hit Survivor Series 99 and it always hits me. Why Big Show?
I mean I've read numerous times that it was because when Show signed he was guaranteed the main event at Mania 16 with Austin in an obvious Hogan/Andre tribute but with Austin being out this was used as make up prize.
But in any other way, it just doesn't make sense! Show really wasn't over, when his music hits *big shock surprise* he comes out annnnnd no one cared.
He was hip deep in a feud with Big Boss Man that was a fine midcard/personal deal but it had zero to do with any of the top guys.
Then you look at the build towards it; Test was getting a great response, he was basically filling in for Austin in the wrestling side of the build to the match, constantly being in matches with Trips/DX. So why not go the logical way with Test?
But if we go past that, when Show DOES win he isn't portrayed as a giant monster, he was a sobbing mess. The match itself, he was sloppy, not massive notches sure but sloppy, so many times he's just literally standing about doing nothing.
On a lil bit of a tangent, how the hell could they get away with advertising Austin being there - the biggest triple threat match ever, the biggest match since the 97 Survivor Series and 90mins into the show he's taken out?
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Post by k5 on Nov 17, 2018 23:36:52 GMT -5
I think they were hesitant on pulling the trigger on show largely because of questioning his ability, which was probably largely politics as Austin made things difficult for him and he was plagued with embarrassingly bad booking for his initial run. once Austin was injured they panicked, and for whatever reason the bigshow winning the title is what that panic resulted in.
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Post by hbkbigdaddycool on Nov 18, 2018 3:27:24 GMT -5
Because it's a big bad show tonight!
That's why!
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Post by Kill Em' All on Nov 18, 2018 12:40:03 GMT -5
Big Shows character in his first year was so confusing. He was a heel enforcer, a face against the bad guys in the CM, a heel henchmen with one of the main guys of the CM, a baby face winning the title for his late father, by Mania he’s heel.
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Post by The Sexy Psychotic on Nov 19, 2018 3:30:49 GMT -5
Big Shows character in his first year was so confusing. He was a heel enforcer, a face against the bad guys in the CM, a heel henchmen with one of the main guys of the CM, a baby face winning the title for his late father, by Mania he’s heel. Definitely! I've heard folks say Vince wanted to book him strong like Andre but how the hell were fans expected to care or get on board with him with all the constant turns and changes he took even in just a year! |
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Post by k5 on Nov 19, 2018 9:53:35 GMT -5
Big Shows character in his first year was so confusing. He was a heel enforcer, a face against the bad guys in the CM, a heel henchmen with one of the main guys of the CM, a baby face winning the title for his late father, by Mania he’s heel. Definitely! I've heard folks say Vince wanted to book him strong like Andre but how the hell were fans expected to care or get on board with him with all the constant turns and changes he took even in just a year! losing to Austin clean in his first match was the first and largest nail drove into the bigshow’s wwf career |
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Post by TheEvilDoink1987 on Nov 19, 2018 22:33:46 GMT -5
Big Shows character in his first year was so confusing. He was a heel enforcer, a face against the bad guys in the CM, a heel henchmen with one of the main guys of the CM, a baby face winning the title for his late father, by Mania he’s heel. His first year pretty much sums up his entire career in the WWE. More twists and turns than Chubby Checker in a blender. I always thought that was his biggest detriment. One week they'd book Big Show as an unstoppable heel force, the next he'd be in a comic relief angle and maybe two weeks later he'd be playing the babyface "gentle giant" role. It was hard to really invest in the guy because his character got flipped on a regular basis to the point where you just stopped caring about him. |
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Post by Kill Em' All on Nov 20, 2018 1:43:16 GMT -5
I think he’s turned 20 times total
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Post by CM Poor on Nov 20, 2018 9:12:44 GMT -5
Big Shows character in his first year was so confusing. He was a heel enforcer, a face against the bad guys in the CM, a heel henchmen with one of the main guys of the CM, a baby face winning the title for his late father, by Mania he’s heel. So, by "first year", you basically mean his entire run... |
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Post by Nivro™ on Nov 20, 2018 12:46:45 GMT -5
Big Show is at least credible as a champion. Guy is huge and held the WCW title. Test couldn't get over with a step ladder in a room full of midgets. He should never sniff the world title.
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Post by Next Man’s Knowing Rock on Nov 20, 2018 14:11:57 GMT -5
They paid Big Show a lot of money to jump from WCW. To justify that money, they wanted him to be a big star, and kept trying new things to reheat him, none of which worked very well. This was another attempt at that, plus the bait-and-switch with Austin's injury necessitated them doing something substantial with the replacement. The hope was that a brand new champion would distract people from the fact that they hadn't delivered on the biggest triple threat of all time.
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Post by Emerald Enthusiast on Nov 21, 2018 2:18:35 GMT -5
So I've been going back and watching a time I think is very underrated and forgotten about, the time from No Mercy 99 till Mania 16 and I've just hit Survivor Series 99 and it always hits me. Why Big Show? I mean I've read numerous times that it was because when Show signed he was guaranteed the main event at Mania 16 with Austin in an obvious Hogan/Andre tribute but with Austin being out this was used as make up prize. But in any other way, it just doesn't make sense! Show really wasn't over, when his music hits *big shock surprise* he comes out annnnnd no one cared. At the time, I thought the WWF was trying to course-correct with Show. He got lost in the shuffle in WCW, so I assumed that when Vince brought him in, the idea would be to build him back the level of his rookie year in WCW. Instead, Show was booked like any other new guy in the WWF, aka "earning" credibility. That killed the aura of him being an unstoppable force. Yet his title reign really didn't reset him. It took several years for him to once again find his footing as a main eventer. |
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Post by mikey1974 on Nov 21, 2018 19:33:11 GMT -5
I think he’s turned 20 times total I used to have a whole list of times he's turned, but have no idea what happened to it.But, let's look at what I CAN remember: 1999: Comes in as Heel Turns Face at WrestleMania Turns Heel to join Undertaker Turns Face to feud with Big Boss Man in the fall 2000: Turns Heel right after the Rumble Turns Face in April, does the comedy parody character Turns Heel again in the summer 2001 : Turns Face again during the Invasion angle 2002: Turns Heel and joins the fake nWo Turns Face to feud with Brock Lesnar Turns Heel again after Heyman helps him beat Lesnar 2003 : Stayed Heel the entire year I think 2004: Turned Face again after Angle tranquilized him and shaved his head ...those are the ones I can remember. Of course we had well over a decade more worth of switches after these. So 20 changes is actually quite a conservative estimate. |
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Post by TheXtremisT on Nov 22, 2018 14:53:52 GMT -5
Lizard boots and a snake tie!
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Post by cordless2016 on Nov 23, 2018 13:18:06 GMT -5
I think it was Vince trying to “fix” Show with the huge gap in the main event with both Austin and Taker out for the foreseeable future.
Rocky and Foley were already over huge and didn’t necessarily need the title at the time.
HHH needed a reason to marry Steph to get back at Vince so he needed to drop it to someone.
I don’t believe the rumors that Vince promised Show the title or a WM main event. But they did give him a ton of money and this was Vince trying to make Show a big deal after botching his run from the moment he debuted earlier that year.
However that flopped because Show was booked as a joke and literally won the title out of nowhere. If they wanted to push a face to the title that wasn’t Rocky or Foley then Kane would have been perfect as he had far more credibility and was actually feuding with DX at the time.
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Post by Hulkster2001 on Nov 26, 2018 9:28:25 GMT -5
They should’ve changed the main event before they started advertising it, maybe have Austin run over a couple of weeks before and just have Rock and Hunter as the Main Event.
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Post by LA Times on Nov 28, 2018 22:38:37 GMT -5
I think he’s turned 20 times total I used to have a whole list of times he's turned, but have no idea what happened to it.But, let's look at what I CAN remember: 1999: Comes in as Heel Turns Face at WrestleMania Turns Heel to join Undertaker Turns Face to feud with Big Boss Man in the fall 2000: Turns Heel right after the Rumble Turns Face in April, does the comedy parody character Turns Heel again in the summer 2001 : Turns Face again during the Invasion angle 2002: Turns Heel and joins the fake nWo Turns Face to feud with Brock Lesnar Turns Heel again after Heyman helps him beat Lesnar 2003 : Stayed Heel the entire year I think 2004: Turned Face again after Angle tranquilized him and shaved his head ...those are the ones I can remember. Of course we had well over a decade more worth of switches after these. So 20 changes is actually quite a conservative estimate. A guy chronicled all of Big Show's face and heel turns since his debut and it looks like there have been 34 in 23 years, although I couldve sworn there was more than that, especially in the PG Era. Edit: Article is missing the Dec 5 2016 Raw where Big Show returned as Kevin Owens' heel mystery opponent for Seth Rollins, then turned face a few minutes later by Choke Slamming Kevin Owens. |
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I dont know good luck 
