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Post by rvd3434 on Nov 22, 2018 8:04:15 GMT -5
I forgot to mention but it must be addressed. The paint application on the Lex Luger is very sloppy. Those stars look as though a child painted them on. A lot of customizers I know can do much better than that. Would Hasbro have hired someone who puts forth that kind of effort?
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Post by Kasper.ca on Nov 22, 2018 10:36:52 GMT -5
I'm not a Hasbro expert by any means... but the blue paint on that Doink looks relatively new and poorly done
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Post by drnickriviera995 on Nov 22, 2018 11:18:35 GMT -5
I forgot to mention but it must be addressed. The paint application on the Lex Luger is very sloppy. Those stars look as though a child painted them on. A lot of customizers I know can do much better than that. Would Hasbro have hired someone who puts forth that kind of effort? Exactly why I thought they were customs when I first saw them and the bids were only like 20 bucks. I would buy a custom of Luger if he were clean and paint sharp. This didn't look nice enough for my standards for a custom. That wouldn't pass for promo photos which I believe is what these would have been used for at some point? Just like the Greg Valentine.
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Post by undertaker131 on Nov 22, 2018 11:21:27 GMT -5
so thats Diesel, doink and lex confirmed protos so far, the others must exist would love to see jeff! who has a pic of the diesel? if the owner wants to posts pics thats up too him.
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Post by Ruby Fusion on Nov 22, 2018 11:25:21 GMT -5
I'm not sure what to make of it but I can confirm that they are NOT resin. A few of my friends requested pictures of the bottom of the boots which the seller has now added. If they were indeed resin, the boots would NOT have holes which they do. Also, a resin cannot have a copyright marking on a back, since a paint master wouldn't have one, Lex Luger does. Also, I am aware of Doink the Clown not having the markings on the back....however, is it possible that this seller repainted a regular Red Card series Luger and repainted a legit Test Shot Prototype of Doink? Reason I ask is because look at the coloring around the holes on the new picture he added. That is the exact color the boots are on the actual test shot. Makes you wonder... Well, that settles it then; custom painted figures...
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Post by undertaker131 on Nov 22, 2018 11:29:09 GMT -5
he said doinks arms come off like a proto & another reply from the seller :
I just compare him with the normal product. This prototype has different head. Thinner cheeks and bigger neck.
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Post by rvd3434 on Nov 22, 2018 12:17:23 GMT -5
he said doinks arms come off like a proto & another reply from the seller : I just compare him with the normal product. This prototype has different head. Thinner cheeks and bigger neck. He should post pics of that. That would be very important.
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Post by ozz on Nov 22, 2018 12:23:31 GMT -5
I think the lines on Doink look pretty sharp, especially compared to Luger.
I had also had the same thoughts about the peg holes on the feet. Maybe repaints used production pieces? Still seems weird to mix resin and plastic for simple repaints though.
Assuming this turns out to be real, it's pretty funny Doink's fingers are still intact when most loose production ones are missing some.
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Post by Ruby Fusion on Nov 22, 2018 12:48:37 GMT -5
he said doinks arms come off like a proto & another reply from the seller : I just compare him with the normal product. This prototype has different head. Thinner cheeks and bigger neck. Still going with custom painted (test shot) figures. Judge (member here) has a test shot Doink and said the head was soft as opposed to the solid head on the production figure. I see test shot Hasbro WWF figures sell for big money (which is insane as test shot figures of older toylines sell much cheaper), so why not paint a test shot in an unreleased painting scheme to cash in...
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Post by VintageFigs1 on Nov 22, 2018 13:19:52 GMT -5
The sloppy paint on Lex doesn’t bother me. My Mega Maniacs Brutus is sloppy too.
If it is indeed resin like seller claims, the copyright on Lex bothers me.
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Post by VintageFigs1 on Nov 22, 2018 13:32:32 GMT -5
I'm not sure what to make of it but I can confirm that they are NOT resin. A few of my friends requested pictures of the bottom of the boots which the seller has now added. If they were indeed resin, the boots would NOT have holes which they do. Also, a resin cannot have a copyright marking on a back, since a paint master wouldn't have one, Lex Luger does. Also, I am aware of Doink the Clown not having the markings on the back....however, is it possible that this seller repainted a regular Red Card series Luger and repainted a legit Test Shot Prototype of Doink? Reason I ask is because look at the coloring around the holes on the new picture he added. That is the exact color the boots are on the actual test shot. Makes you wonder... Well, that settles it then; custom painted figures... That settles it? Um...no.
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Post by VintageFigs1 on Nov 22, 2018 13:38:58 GMT -5
There are no rules when it comes to pre-production figures. To claim these are fake because others are not made exactly the same is ridiculous. I’m not claiming they are real either.
People on these boards also claimed the original R & B Greg was fake, my Mega Maniacs Brutus, and 2 up tugboat were fake too...oh well.
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Post by adecw on Nov 22, 2018 14:12:37 GMT -5
There are no rules when it comes to pre-production figures. To claim these are fake because others are not made exactly the same is ridiculous. I’m not claiming they are real either. People on these boards also claimed the original R & B Greg was fake, my Mega Maniacs Brutus, and 2 up tugboat were fake too...oh well. are you going to buy? them I tried to tag you in the thread here but couldn't do it im really on the fence about them being authentic or not
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Post by ToyeticToys on Nov 22, 2018 16:21:39 GMT -5
I believe these figures are the real deal. These figures look like one to one first shots that have been painted. Over the years, there have been several Hasbro paintmasters discovered that look similar; complete with footholes and manufacturer markings. The paint apps on these figures aren't the greatest, but neither are the paint apps on a lot of paintmasters. These figures were used for tooling purposes - not for a gallery display.
The seller has said that these figures aren't fully resin, rather they're a combination of resin and plastic. While I haven't seen resin and test shot mashups in the WWF Hasbro line, I have seen these types of combinations in other toy lines. When the factory combines resin parts with test shots, it's usually because the resin part is a new piece while the plastic part is from an already existing mold. In the case of these figures, I'm unsure -- but resin/test shot figure combinations do exist.
It's hard to say with certainty that these figures are 100% legit, but I also wouldn't fully discredit them.
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Post by undertaker131 on Nov 22, 2018 16:51:02 GMT -5
I believe these figures are the real deal. These figures look like one to one first shots that have been painted. Over the years, there have been several Hasbro paintmasters discovered that look similar; complete with footholes and manufacturer markings. The paint apps on these figures aren't the greatest, but neither are the paint apps on a lot of paintmasters. These figures were used for tooling purposes - not for a gallery display. The seller has said that these figures aren't fully resin, rather they're a combination of resin and plastic. While I haven't seen resin and test shot mashups in the WWF Hasbro line, I have seen these types of combinations in other toy lines. When the factory combines resin parts with test shots, it's usually because the resin part is a new piece while the plastic part is from an already existing mold. In the case of these figures, I'm unsure -- but resin/test shot figure combinations do exist. It's hard to say with certainty that these figures are 100% legit, but I also wouldn't fully discredit them. exactly, the brutus was said to be fake and everyone forgot about it until it resurfaced.
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Post by marklud on Nov 23, 2018 1:42:10 GMT -5
Hope you get 'em, VintageFigs.
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Post by Ruby Fusion on Nov 23, 2018 3:21:02 GMT -5
There are no rules when it comes to pre-production figures. To claim these are fake because others are not made exactly the same is ridiculous. I’m not claiming they are real either. People on these boards also claimed the original R & B Greg was fake, my Mega Maniacs Brutus, and 2 up tugboat were fake too...oh well. I had my doubts about Brutus and 2-up Tugboat: I found it weird Brutus was carded, with Tugboat I was sceptic because of the paint. A loose Brutus I would've accepted easier, same goes for an unpainted Tugboat. Now, let's say Lex and Doink ARE Hasbro paint mock-ups: they had the molds for Lex and Doink, so making 2 test shots and painting them was possible. Why a mixture of resin and plastic? The only reason I can think of: they had a shortage of plastic. Still, full resin would've made more sense... I guess they pushed these out to show part of series 12 to WWF headquarters and don't think they made it to toyfair. I can imagine these didn't convince WWF headquarters - sure, Doink is nice but just another repaint and what's with Lex' trunks being red - and Hasbro thus lost the license. Thank you very much for making me doubt now
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Post by therealworldchampion on Nov 23, 2018 14:06:37 GMT -5
There are no rules when it comes to pre-production figures. To claim these are fake because others are not made exactly the same is ridiculous. I’m not claiming they are real either. People on these boards also claimed the original R & B Greg was fake, my Mega Maniacs Brutus, and 2 up tugboat were fake too...oh well. I had my doubts about Brutus and 2-up Tugboat: I found it weird Brutus was carded, with Tugboat I was sceptic because of the paint. A loose Brutus I would've accepted easier, same goes for an unpainted Tugboat. Now, let's say Lex and Doink ARE Hasbro paint mock-ups: they had the molds for Lex and Doink, so making 2 test shots and painting them was possible. Why a mixture of resin and plastic? The only reason I can think of: they had a shortage of plastic. Still, full resin would've made more sense... I guess they pushed these out to show part of series 12 to WWF headquarters and don't think they made it to toyfair. I can imagine these didn't convince WWF headquarters - sure, Doink is nice but just another repaint and what's with Lex' trunks being red - and Hasbro thus lost the license. Thank you very much for making me doubt now Wasn't Hasbro the one who dropped WWF? During the steroid trial?
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Post by Ruby Fusion on Nov 23, 2018 14:35:29 GMT -5
I had my doubts about Brutus and 2-up Tugboat: I found it weird Brutus was carded, with Tugboat I was sceptic because of the paint. A loose Brutus I would've accepted easier, same goes for an unpainted Tugboat. Now, let's say Lex and Doink ARE Hasbro paint mock-ups: they had the molds for Lex and Doink, so making 2 test shots and painting them was possible. Why a mixture of resin and plastic? The only reason I can think of: they had a shortage of plastic. Still, full resin would've made more sense... I guess they pushed these out to show part of series 12 to WWF headquarters and don't think they made it to toyfair. I can imagine these didn't convince WWF headquarters - sure, Doink is nice but just another repaint and what's with Lex' trunks being red - and Hasbro thus lost the license. Thank you very much for making me doubt now Wasn't Hasbro the one who dropped WWF? During the steroid trial? Don't know, WWF had a deal with JusToys, Playmates and Jakks pretty fast.
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Post by Hasbromaniac on Nov 23, 2018 23:20:19 GMT -5
My 2 cents is they look to be legit hand painted samples/protos. I own many Mattel Batman protos/samples/test shots in different scales and some are in a combo of different materials; as well as colors. Question should be: Is what price would a collector pay if you wanted to add them to your collection ? If you do not think they are legit, then just do not bid. A lot of times, there isn't a detailed history behind protos. Sometimes you have to trust the integrity of the seller.
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