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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2018 4:57:47 GMT -5
With so much talk these days about plastic, and reducing the use etc, and how its damaging the sea life etc etc, I find myself asking, just who is putting this plastic in the sea? How does it get there? I hear David Attenborough talking about plastic getting wrapped round the whales etc, and that we should stop using plastic so much, but I just cannot figure out who is dumping it in the sea and why???
And instead of reducing the use of plastic, cant we just encourage the reuse of it? And prosecute and punish whoever is putting it in the sea?
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Post by jayrod2009 on Nov 28, 2018 6:55:21 GMT -5
There are many sea bordering countries in Asia that tend to polute their waters. Also many countries in South America. This makes it extremely difficult to manage when you have those places continuing their dumping processes.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2018 7:01:43 GMT -5
Ah so these countries are wholesale dumping plastics instead of recycling? Seems even more ridiculous that we are told to buy loose fruit and veg and try to cut down on plastic use in the UK if other countries are doing that
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Post by Grumpyoldman on Nov 28, 2018 13:00:11 GMT -5
A lot of it comes from storms (hurricanes, tsunamis, etc.). And most fishing nets are made of nylon. Once a fishing boat loses a net, I doubt they make an effort to try to recover it.
Do you know what is really killing aqua life? Plastic bags & cigarette butts.
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Post by bababooey on Nov 29, 2018 9:25:54 GMT -5
A lot of it comes from storms (hurricanes, tsunamis, etc.). And most fishing nets are made of nylon. Once a fishing boat loses a net, I doubt they make an effort to try to recover it. Do you know what is really killing aqua life? Plastic bags & cigarette butts. Also those plastic rings that hold six packs of soda or beer together. On the rare occasions we have them in the house I cut each ring before throwing it out just in case. I think it’s really a mix of both reuse and decreasing use. Plastic is a great material but there are ways to cut down on the use of it. Like paper bags for shopping as an example. Also, punishing those polluting the waters is something that can only work to an extent. Sure you can catch people doing mass drops into the water, but unless you have an army constantly patrolling the waters you are going to miss the people that drop a few small things here and there. Like if people are hanging out on a boat or the beach, and they just chuck they’re trash into the water or the wind blows it. Then you also have the other countries that share the same waters who you can’t control.
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Post by King Richius on Nov 29, 2018 10:03:47 GMT -5
Also those plastic rings that hold six packs of soda or beer together. On the rare occasions we have them in the house I cut each ring before throwing it out just in case. I think it’s really a mix of both reuse and decreasing use. Plastic is a great material but there are ways to cut down on the use of it. Like paper bags for shopping as an example. Also, punishing those polluting the waters is something that can only work to an extent. Sure you can catch people doing mass drops into the water, but unless you have an army constantly patrolling the waters you are going to miss the people that drop a few small things here and there. Like if people are hanging out on a boat or the beach, and they just chuck they’re trash into the water or the wind blows it. Then you also have the other countries that share the same waters who you can’t control. I too cut all the rings on the six plastic holders. It's quick and easy yet makes a difference because they can wrap around a fish and literally strangle it to death. A few years ago I stopped using plastic or paper bags at the grocery store. I bought a bunch of the reusable bags they sell. Another easy way to help out. Also, you can buy one or two thermal lined bags and your cold stuff will still be cold when you get home. Your ice cream will thank you. Honestly, I think a combination of punishment and easy alternative works best. You can't just tell people to not do something they've done all their lives without offering an alternative that doesn't require massive effort. I didn't recycle for the longest time because it wasn't convenient but my local government added regular recycling pickup to the usual garbage pickup days and they do the sorting for you post pickup. I've become very good at recycling plastic, paper, and cans. It's amazing how little actual trash I produce and almost all of it is environmentally safe, bio-degradable material that is safe to dump in a landfill. Of course, that mainly works for individuals. For large corporations always looking to save a buck, fines and other penalties may be the only way to drag them into the 21st century.
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Post by theicwguy on Nov 29, 2018 13:09:06 GMT -5
I personally wouldn't mind if Mattel sold elites loose, well in a ziplock bag with accessories as I'm a loose collector anyway. They could still do a limited run of fully boxed ones for the MOC guys.
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Post by K5 on Nov 29, 2018 14:34:49 GMT -5
- People litter, or wind blows trash out of dumpsters and garbage bins.
- The trash makes its way into storm drains.
- Trash travels through sewer pipes, into waterways, and finally into the ocean.
- Solar radiation causes plastic products to break down into microplastics (remember plastic is not biodegradable like paper or wood). - www.gorillabins.ca/blog/how-does-garbage-end-up-in-the-ocean/ i really believe that plastic in terms of consumable products needs to be massively reduced to a fraction of where it’s still at now.
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Post by ¡Twist Of Lime Green Jello! on Nov 29, 2018 19:45:59 GMT -5
I don’t recycle, too much admin. I find it easier to put it into a 44 gallon drum and burn it instead.
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Post by TheLastDude on Nov 29, 2018 19:54:34 GMT -5
Also those plastic rings that hold six packs of soda or beer together. On the rare occasions we have them in the house I cut each ring before throwing it out just in case. I think it’s really a mix of both reuse and decreasing use. Plastic is a great material but there are ways to cut down on the use of it. Like paper bags for shopping as an example. Also, punishing those polluting the waters is something that can only work to an extent. Sure you can catch people doing mass drops into the water, but unless you have an army constantly patrolling the waters you are going to miss the people that drop a few small things here and there. Like if people are hanging out on a boat or the beach, and they just chuck they’re trash into the water or the wind blows it. Then you also have the other countries that share the same waters who you can’t control. I too cut all the rings on the six plastic holders. It's quick and easy yet makes a difference because they can wrap around a fish and literally strangle it to death. A few years ago I stopped using plastic or paper bags at the grocery store. I bought a bunch of the reusable bags they sell. Another easy way to help out. Also, you can buy one or two thermal lined bags and your cold stuff will still be cold when you get home. Your ice cream will thank you. Honestly, I think a combination of punishment and easy alternative works best. You can't just tell people to not do something they've done all their lives without offering an alternative that doesn't require massive effort. I didn't recycle for the longest time because it wasn't convenient but my local government added regular recycling pickup to the usual garbage pickup days and they do the sorting for you post pickup. I've become very good at recycling plastic, paper, and cans. It's amazing how little actual trash I produce and almost all of it is environmentally safe, bio-degradable material that is safe to dump in a landfill. Of course, that mainly works for individuals. For large corporations always looking to save a buck, fines and other penalties may be the only way to drag them into the 21st century. I started cutting all the holes out of six pack rings (even the small holes in-between where the bottles hang and handle hole as well) when I saw videos of animals being rescued from them. I had never thought of animals being able to be caught in that stuff. Flipped my world around. I also started cutting the large harder plastic rings that fit around the necks of jars when you twist off the lids. I saw pictures of larger animals with those big rings lodged in their mouths and digging into the backs of their heads and it turned my stomach.
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Post by Sting on Nov 30, 2018 9:08:05 GMT -5
The issues surrounding plastics, and plastic bags in particular, are very interesting. I wrote quite a long essay on it during my MSc a few years ago. 1stclasseconomics.com/plastic-bags-not-bad-environment/TL;DR: Plastics are not the issue, the main issue is people disposing of plastics incorrectly and plastics not getting recycled.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2018 9:18:37 GMT -5
The issues surrounding plastics, and plastic bags in particular, are very interesting. I wrote quite a long essay on it during my MSc a few years ago. 1stclasseconomics.com/plastic-bags-not-bad-environment/TL;DR: Plastics are not the issue, the main issue is people disposing of plastics incorrectly and plastics not getting recycled. I will definitely be reading that this evening. I definitely agree, its something people have to resolve by changing, not even necessarily using less plastic, but using plastic better.
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Post by Grumpyoldman on Nov 30, 2018 13:01:50 GMT -5
WARNING: not for the squeamish.
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Post by snatch on Nov 30, 2018 19:51:16 GMT -5
I’m forced to recycle. I have a bin for plastics and a bin for trash. Other than that I take all the cans of beer and soda and turn it into cash.
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Post by Halloween King on Dec 25, 2018 11:42:13 GMT -5
There are many sea bordering countries in Asia that tend to polute their waters. Also many countries in South America. This makes it extremely difficult to manage when you have those places continuing their dumping processes. The fact that you're trying to place blame on certain regions is laughable to me.
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Post by jayrod2009 on Dec 25, 2018 12:18:21 GMT -5
There are many sea bordering countries in Asia that tend to polute their waters. Also many countries in South America. This makes it extremely difficult to manage when you have those places continuing their dumping processes. The fact that you're trying to place blame on certain regions is laughable to me. You can laugh at statistics all you want, but facts are facts.
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Post by theMOESIAH on Dec 25, 2018 15:07:56 GMT -5
King Richius make sure you wash your reusable bags regularly. Germs and bacteria can build up on those quick . I think that's something that gets overlooked by a lot of people who use them.
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Post by Darkhawk on Dec 25, 2018 16:09:45 GMT -5
People are just trashy man, I work at an arena for events and it just shocks me how people can be so trashy. Hockey fans are the worst, always leave the building a mess after a game. Primerica was the worst for sure though, for business people to come and have a ceremony they left such a huge mess, I couldn't believe how these fake business people who dress all nice and everything can be so trashy.
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Post by bababooey on Dec 25, 2018 19:29:24 GMT -5
People are just trashy man, I work at an arena for events and it just shocks me how people can be so trashy. Hockey fans are the worst, always leave the building a mess after a game. Primerica was the worst for sure though, for business people to come and have a ceremony they left such a huge mess, I couldn't believe how these fake business people who dress all nice and everything can be so trashy. This reminds me of whenever I go to an event and just wonder how people can eat and drink then just leave their trash at their seat when it’s over.
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Post by Darkhawk on Dec 26, 2018 16:42:54 GMT -5
People are just trashy man, I work at an arena for events and it just shocks me how people can be so trashy. Hockey fans are the worst, always leave the building a mess after a game. Primerica was the worst for sure though, for business people to come and have a ceremony they left such a huge mess, I couldn't believe how these fake business people who dress all nice and everything can be so trashy. This reminds me of whenever I go to an event and just wonder how people can eat and drink then just leave their trash at their seat when it’s over. It's unbelievable, since working at my job I always make sure to clean up after myself. Even when I'm at the theaters I take all my food with me and dump it to nearest trash bin. It's not hard at all, but people just suck overall.
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