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Post by MKSavage on Dec 11, 2018 1:24:15 GMT -5
1995 was one of the worst years for both WCW and the WWF ( though WCW started to turn it around in the fall). It's no wonder that this was the year ECW started to become a "thing" . That being said, my thoughts : THE GOOD : Diesel as World Champion - Despite what Bret says, Diesel was over as Champ. Problem was he didn't have anyone good to work with besides Bret and Shawn.Bret vs Diesel matches - especially Survivor Series, which was a top 3 match of the year. Double J - Jarrett really came on strong in 95 and was having some of the best matches on pretty much any show. Continued to elevate the IC Belt much like Shawn, Bret, Perfect, and Razor did before him. Survivor Series - generally pretty good overall. The best PPV that the WWF put on all year. Shawn Michaels - again, shined throughout the whole year.
Bret vs Hakushi - EVERY match these 2 had was a 5 star one.THE BAD: WrestleMania XI - to me,unquestionably,the worst Mania of all time, barely edging out Mania 27 Razor Ramon - after a stellar 92-94, it felt like he was just treading water in 1995 after losing the IC Belt. The Million Dollar Corporation - what started off strong in 1994 degenerated into a joke in 1995 Bam Bam Bigelow - see above. His loss to LT hurt him MASSIVELY. And when Diesel desperately needed heels to face, turning him after Mania XI was a bad mistake. All the crap gimmicks - from TL Hopper to the Goon and everyone in between. This was the year the WWF decided to become a live action cartoon.
Bret vs Jean Pierre LaFitte. Feud over a jacket. Jesus Christ.Tag Team Division - started going down the crapper big time here. It would stay this way til 1997.
I agree with a lot of what you said here, Diesel as champion was fine but like you said he didn't have a lot of top people to work with. I blame this on creative, for a large part of the year (first 8 months) most of the top stars were all faces; Diesel, Bret, Taker, Razor, Lex, and Bulldog, with Shawn and Bam Bam turning face after WM11 (in March). This left very few top heel stars for these guys to face. I think 95 would have been better if Diesel was a heel (like how he was after Survivor Series 95 to the end of his WWF run) then he could have faced top faces like Shawn, Bret, Taker, Razor, Lex, Davey, etc. which could have made the year a little better. Even though WWF was down at this time (as was all wrestling) Shawn and Bret were having some great matches during this time, like you said, Bret v Hakushi was always great. Definitely agree with you about the crappy gimmicks, this seemed to be the time that Vince was creating gimmicks for all wrestlers and very few if any were working (unlike the successful 80s run were he found the top wrestlers from all over the country and let them keep their already made gimmicks; Hogan, Piper, Macho, Jake, Hacksaw, etc.) I think the tag team division started going down hill in 1994 after the Steiner's were pretty much taken out of the title picture - never really got behind Men on a Mission, the Smoking Gunns, and the Headshrinkers. I remember watching a Bret interview where he even said that the feud over his jacket was really stupid, he even said, "why would I care that he has my jacket, couldn't my mom make another one for me?" |
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Post by Hulkster2001 on Dec 11, 2018 9:47:06 GMT -5
was there really a best? To me, it is the worst year in wrestling from '85ish til '02ish. The rest all kinda sucked until about 2012. The Attitude era fans are gonna whip your ass for this |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2018 15:52:26 GMT -5
was there really a best? To me, it is the worst year in wrestling from '85ish til '02ish. The rest all kinda sucked until about 2012. The Attitude era fans are gonna whip your ass for this l What the hell are you talking about? I didn't say anything bad about the attitude era. I said 1995 was the worst year between '85-'02 and then every year after that, meaning after the attitude era, sucked. |
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Post by Hulkster2001 on Dec 12, 2018 7:53:02 GMT -5
The Attitude era fans are gonna whip your ass for this l What the hell are you talking about? I didn't say anything bad about the attitude era. I said 1995 was the worst year between '85-'02 and then every year after that, meaning after the attitude era, sucked. You said and I quote was there really a best? To me, it is the worst year in wrestling from '85ish til '02ish. 1985 to 2002, the Attitude era to me started in 1997 through 2001 and to me it seems you’re associating it with bad years in wrestling. (Although I will admit I could be wrong.) |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2018 16:18:21 GMT -5
l What the hell are you talking about? I didn't say anything bad about the attitude era. I said 1995 was the worst year between '85-'02 and then every year after that, meaning after the attitude era, sucked. You said and I quote was there really a best? To me, it is the worst year in wrestling from '85ish til '02ish. 1985 to 2002, the Attitude era to me started in 1997 through 2001 and to me it seems you’re associating it with bad years in wrestling. (Although I will admit I could be wrong.) youARE wrong. I said 1995 was the worst year between those dates. Not hard to understand... |
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Post by Hulkster2001 on Dec 13, 2018 7:49:27 GMT -5
Ok barb, calm it down
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Post by TheEvilDoink1987 on Dec 28, 2018 14:48:46 GMT -5
1995 was a fun year because I was 8 and at that age anything wrestling was incredible.
Looking back from a critical retrospective, it definitely had issues. Crappy "occupational" gimmicks flooded an otherwise very talented roster. Poor direction for a lot of the major Superstars and just way too many silly storylines. I never cared for "main event" Mabel either so that whole chunk of the year did nothing for me. Also, the fact that the WWF and wrestling in general just weren't very cool anymore made the product look even more dated than it already was.
People always think the business immediately turned around once Nitro debuted. That first episode definitely made a splash, but the "new car" smell wore off quick. Their product was just as flat and hokey as the WWF until the following year when they started the whole nWo angle.
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Post by The Brain on Dec 28, 2018 14:59:26 GMT -5
1995 was a fun year because I was 8 and at that age anything wrestling was incredible. Looking back from a critical retrospective, it definitely had issues. Crappy "occupational" gimmicks flooded an otherwise very talented roster. Poor direction for a lot of the major Superstars and just way too many silly storylines. I never cared for "main event" Mabel either so that whole chunk of the year did nothing for me. Also, the fact that the WWF and wrestling in general just weren't very cool anymore made the product look even more dated than it already was. People always think the business immediately turned around once Nitro debuted. That first episode definitely made a splash, but the "new car" smell wore off quick. Their product was just as flat and hokey as the WWF until the following year when they started the whole nWo angle.How can you not like moments such as the debut of......THE YETTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!!!!!! 
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2018 22:25:44 GMT -5
1985 thru 1998
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Post by warriorlynx on Jan 1, 2019 21:04:31 GMT -5
Best - Diesel turning Heel (or a Tweener), though he should've stayed champion and drop it to Shawn at WM12 in a WM rematch
Worst - King Mabel
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Post by cordless2016 on Jan 1, 2019 21:42:52 GMT -5
It was a strange year as they had some legends on the roster but a lot of crap that overshadowed it.
Diesel, Bret, HBK, Razor, Taker, Bulldog, Double J, Owen, Yoko, Luger, 1-2-3 Kid, Sid, Goldust, and Bam Bam is a great list to build around.
The problem was terrible stories and the horrid roster after the guys listed above. Diesel was stuck in prolonged feuds with Sid and Mable, while Taker and Bret seemed to be spinning their wheels and did nothing of note for the majority of the year.
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