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Post by JokerFC on Jan 1, 2019 20:30:40 GMT -5
This all depends on so many things. One being that 90% of adults in 1987 believed the WWF was legit with theatrics. That's a big stat, compare that to 1998, where it was 95% of fans knew it was all a work. So do we divide it? "Real" Wrestling (80s WWF) - Hulk Hogan - Biggest draw hands down and became part of pop culture, highly charismatic, crazy promos, worked with everyone and yes even with Rick Rude (in the 80s that is, 90s is a different story) was limited because he was big $ but did good in Japan and did take some cool bumps in a few WWF matches like with Big Bossman. "Work" Wrestling (Post-80s) - The Undertaker. Yeah it would have to be him. Interesting post.... |
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Post by Planktung on Jan 1, 2019 20:32:22 GMT -5
John Cena is the greatest to ever live and I'll be beyond stunned if I ever see anyone in my lifetime surpass him.
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Post by Mongo Bears on Jan 1, 2019 21:40:50 GMT -5
Great shout if we were talking about all time. Since it's wwf/e I personally wouldn't consider him. He was only there in his prime for 18 months.... Ok, good call. I wasn’t even thinking just wwe. |
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phantomdreamer
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Post by phantomdreamer on Jan 1, 2019 23:03:14 GMT -5
Randy Savage
Kurt Angle
Eddie Guerrero
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Post by Mark Martin on Jan 2, 2019 1:36:01 GMT -5
HBK
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Post by RuthlessFigs on Jan 2, 2019 1:49:34 GMT -5
Chris Jericho
- Jericho managed to be a top star, a Main Event attraction during a period where guys his size were considered 'too small' to be stars, even though there were a bunch of smaller guys who became stars, i think Jericho was one of the guys who set the foundation for smaller guys making it to the top, especially during the era of Steve Austin, The Rock, HHH, Undertaker, Kane etc...
Throughout his career he's consistently put on great matches and as times changed, he was able to evolve his character to fit in. He can get a reaction just from standing there, he can get heat in a second, he can get someone else heat in a second and he can get a pop in a second. Who else can get a huge babyface pop by holding a damn pen? Whether he's a face or heel he's a guaranteed draw. On top of evolving his character, every iteration of his image has made him look like a star, whether it's the over the top WCW/WWF look, or wearing scarves while holding a clipboard.
Chris Jericho is without a doubt (in my opinion) the greatest OVERALL professional wrestler of all time. For someone who's 48, he's still putting on great matches, still evolving his character and changing the business even outside WWE, with fans wondering when he'll return next and still wanting him to win a Rumble, Money In The Bank and be in Main Event title pictures.
Chris Jericho and The Undertaker are close ages, and when people are saying The Undertaker should retire and Jericho should return for another big run, you know he's doing something right and he's still that damn good.
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marklud
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Post by marklud on Jan 2, 2019 2:33:43 GMT -5
Absolutely HBK (even if Bret's my personal all-time favorite).
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Post by LK3 on Jan 2, 2019 2:37:59 GMT -5
Shawn Michaels
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Post by FLUX on Jan 2, 2019 3:22:56 GMT -5
Shawn Michaels.
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dixol
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Post by dixol on Jan 2, 2019 10:08:35 GMT -5
This all depends on so many things. One being that 90% of adults in 1987 believed the WWF was legit with theatrics. That's a big stat, compare that to 1998, where it was 95% of fans knew it was all a work. So do we divide it? "Real" Wrestling (80s WWF) - Hulk Hogan - Biggest draw hands down and became part of pop culture, highly charismatic, crazy promos, worked with everyone and yes even with Rick Rude (in the 80s that is, 90s is a different story) was limited because he was big $ but did good in Japan and did take some cool bumps in a few WWF matches like with Big Bossman. "Work" Wrestling (Post-80s) - The Undertaker. Yeah it would have to be him. Where did you find these statistics? |
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Post by warriorlynx on Jan 2, 2019 11:05:04 GMT -5
This all depends on so many things. One being that 90% of adults in 1987 believed the WWF was legit with theatrics. That's a big stat, compare that to 1998, where it was 95% of fans knew it was all a work. So do we divide it? "Real" Wrestling (80s WWF) - Hulk Hogan - Biggest draw hands down and became part of pop culture, highly charismatic, crazy promos, worked with everyone and yes even with Rick Rude (in the 80s that is, 90s is a different story) was limited because he was big $ but did good in Japan and did take some cool bumps in a few WWF matches like with Big Bossman. "Work" Wrestling (Post-80s) - The Undertaker. Yeah it would have to be him. Where did you find these statistics? A WMIII related article from 1987, gosh I should find it if I got the time. As for 1998 it was from what Vince McMahon himself stated around that time. |
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Post by PJ on Jan 2, 2019 11:37:33 GMT -5
Bret Hart he could practically make any feud work well. As much as I loved the Hitman his promos weren’t ever the greatest he never seemed comfortable on the mic. I will say for me it’s in order... Piper Triple H Mr Perfect Jericho Dusty Rhodes |
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Post by ricflair4ever on Jan 2, 2019 12:34:29 GMT -5
My favorite wrestler ever has been and will always be Flair. But his prime years were predominantly with the conpetition. So to stay objective , I'm leaving him out of this equation. But there's so many variables with who to choose from. It can be argued that Hogan HAS to be that pick because of his impact on the business and pop culture. It can be argued similarly for Austin for the same reasons. Longevity and dedication can give Cena a hat to throw in for his hard work. In ring wise, HHH, Angle , and Bret are all some of the top candidates. Roddy Piper, Randy Savage, Mr Perfect and Andre The Giant all have to be considered contenders too. But when you combine certain criteria,such as, longevity, in ring work, charisma, ability to stay relevant etc...I think it would be hard to argue against ANY of these three
1. Th Undertaker
2. Chris Jericho
3. Shawn Michaels
The one area they falter at , is that none of the three of them were comparable draws to Hogan or Austin. However , Hogan falters in the ring work category and did leave for WCW before reinventing himself. And Austin's only real drawback is that his run at the top was cut short due to his neck. So I'll stand by my list. In that order. Undertaker gets the nod. But Jericho is extremely close behind him. Then HBK at #3.
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Post by PJ on Jan 2, 2019 14:04:34 GMT -5
I just can’t get behind Undertaker because his mic work was worse than Bret’s and the question asked for the greatest all-round performer in the WWE history. So to me that means they had to be above the average in all categories. And both Bret and Undertaker weren’t. Bret had Jimmy Hart and the Anvil for years to make up for it and Taker had Bearer to make up for his shortcomings on the mic.
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Jan 2, 2019 23:42:58 GMT -5
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Post by JokerFC on Jan 3, 2019 0:18:02 GMT -5
I have to say I can't really endorse Hennig or HHH....
Both had serious dud feuds in their time which eliminates them from the "being able to work with anyone" camp.
Hennigs style clash with HBK was incredible.... And HHH vs Orton was a disaster EVERYTIME it happened.
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Post by TKO Propagandist on Jan 3, 2019 12:13:51 GMT -5
Hogan or Flair
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Daniel F'n Bryan
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Post by Daniel F'n Bryan on Jan 3, 2019 19:22:16 GMT -5
Kurt Angle Chris Jericho Shawn Michaels Overall wrestling and promos and all that combined. That's gotta be the top 3 Agreed. I’m throwing Cena in there as well. |
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