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Post by TheEvilDoink1987 on Jan 2, 2019 15:02:46 GMT -5
The recent topic about Owen Hart got me thinking about his death. It is something that I used to kind of be obsessed with just wanting to know as much information as possible about what happened. Even though their story together was special, I found myself even picking up his wife's book several years ago just because I knew it would offer classified courtroom/lawsuit details and other insight about what really happened that awful night. On that note, I'm surprised that I've never stumbled onto this particular video. I apologize if it is disturbing for some or for those who are already well aware of its existence, but this is the live feed of the Spanish commentators from ringside that evening. For some reason unlike their English counterparts, their mics are still audible once the first Blue Blazer promo starts. At the 0:25 mark, you clearly hear a loud crash which is undoubtedly Owen hitting the canvas.
Let it be known, I'm not some weirdo that gets off on this kind of stuff either. I'm just shocked that I never knew about this video until last night given my interest in the subject matter. I don't spend my days seeking out videos of people being killed on the Internet, but I've always had this morbid fascination with Owen's death for some reason. Maybe it has to due with the impressionable age I was when he passed (11) or the fact that he was one of the first wrestlers I watched when I became a diehard WWF fan. I can't really explain it. He just seemed like such a good person and it's awful to think that he died in vain. |
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Post by Patrick Bateman (original) on Jan 2, 2019 16:13:25 GMT -5
The recent topic about Owen Hart got me thinking about his death. It is something that I used to kind of be obsessed with just wanting to know as much information as possible about what happened. Even though their story together was special, I found myself even picking up his wife's book several years ago just because I knew it would offer classified courtroom/lawsuit details and other insight about what really happened that awful night. On that note, I'm surprised that I've never stumbled onto this particular video. I apologize if it is disturbing for some or for those who are already well aware of its existence, but this is the live feed of the Spanish commentators from ringside that evening. For some reason unlike their English counterparts, their mics are still audible once the first Blue Blazer promo starts. At the 0:25 mark, you clearly hear a loud crash which is undoubtedly Owen hitting the canvas.
Let it be known, I'm not some weirdo that gets off on this kind of stuff either. I'm just shocked that I never knew about this video until last night given my interest in the subject matter. I don't spend my days seeking out videos of people being killed on the Internet, but I've always had this morbid fascination with Owen's death for some reason. Maybe it has to due with the impressionable age I was when he passed (11) or the fact that he was one of the first wrestlers I watched when I became a diehard WWF fan. I can't really explain it. He just seemed like such a good person and it's awful to think that he died in vain. Damn man. That was rough. I wish I understood spanish. You can tell the magnitude of what happened. Just wish I knew exactly what they were saying. |
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Post by TheEvilDoink1987 on Jan 2, 2019 16:30:03 GMT -5
0:27 (the fall) OH NO!! (repeatedly) 0:50 "Friends... this... something... Ohh My God!... 1:42 "Friends, we're here in this moment... we're live... the Blue Blazer had to descend from above with his open cape... and apparently something hasn't worked as it should... he's being attended by medical staff..." 2:05 "I'm just asking to God Jehovah, in the name of Jesus Christ that nothing tragic happens... because, although the show must go on, all these 18,000 people just have lived what you have not lived in your home! a tragic moment... Blue Blazer wanted to make an entrance like a superhero, Carlitos... and something happened... we are very concerned -we cannot show you on camera what's going on right now because is something very tragic, we understand what this does not accord with the show... we're trying to figure out what is going on here... We're very concerned, Carlos." 2:55 "There are medical staff in this moment applying all necessary assistance to Blue Blazer,. first aid resuscitation being applied to Blue Blazer right now..."
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Post by Patrick Bateman (original) on Jan 2, 2019 17:21:41 GMT -5
0:27 (the fall) OH NO!! (repeatedly) 0:50 "Friends... this... something... Ohh My God!... 1:42 "Friends, we're here in this moment... we're live... the Blue Blazer had to descend from above with his open cape... and apparently something hasn't worked as it should... he's being attended by medical staff..." 2:05 "I'm just asking to God Jehovah, in the name of Jesus Christ that nothing tragic happens... because, although the show must go on, all these 18,000 people just have lived what you have not lived in your home! a tragic moment... Blue Blazer wanted to make an entrance like a superhero, Carlitos... and something happened... we are very concerned -we cannot show you on camera what's going on right now because is something very tragic, we understand what this does not accord with the show... we're trying to figure out what is going on here... We're very concerned, Carlos." 2:55 "There are medical staff in this moment applying all necessary assistance to Blue Blazer,. first aid resuscitation being applied to Blue Blazer right now..." Wow. 😢 |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2019 17:46:35 GMT -5
This was fascinating to hear...I know there's no way of saying that without sounding like a creep.
I remember when I heard about Owen's death and the news station that was on the TV at the time used footage of a masked wrestler falling through a table when they reported on the incident. For the longest time, I thought that was the actual footage of Owen's death.
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Post by TheEvilDoink1987 on Jan 2, 2019 19:39:00 GMT -5
This was fascinating to hear...I know there's no way of saying that without sounding like a creep. I remember when I heard about Owen's death and the news station that was on the TV at the time used footage of a masked wrestler falling through a table when they reported on the incident. For the longest time, I thought that was the actual footage of Owen's death. I think that the abundance of misinformation immediately following his death is what originally stirred my curiosity. Several news reports said he fell 50 feet. Another reported 100 feet. Some said the cable snapped. Others said he fell out of his harness. Plenty of articles said he landed headfirst on the turnbuckle. A few people swear they witnessed Vince cut the cable himself. Fans throughout the years coming out with BS stories saying they saw footage online or watched him fall during the actual PPV which is just untrue. Even more have claimed that WWE has some master copy of his death locked away in a panic room deep within Vince's private vault along with the Droz/D'Lo tape. I'd say that the majority of the stuff reported on the news or online immediately after the accident was plenty of speculation. Aside from these wild and often inaccurate rumors, it was very difficult to find out what actually happened online in 1999. |
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Post by K5 on Jan 2, 2019 20:44:45 GMT -5
JR announcing the tragedy always brings me right back to being 9 years old hearing it live. was crushing, here in Canada the Hart’s were a big deal.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2019 21:11:53 GMT -5
This was fascinating to hear...I know there's no way of saying that without sounding like a creep. I remember when I heard about Owen's death and the news station that was on the TV at the time used footage of a masked wrestler falling through a table when they reported on the incident. For the longest time, I thought that was the actual footage of Owen's death. I think that the abundance of misinformation immediately following his death is what originally stirred my curiosity. Several news reports said he fell 50 feet. Another reported 100 feet. Some said the cable snapped. Others said he fell out of his harness. Plenty of articles said he landed headfirst on the turnbuckle. A few people swear they witnessed Vince cut the cable himself. Fans throughout the years coming out with BS stories saying they saw footage online or watched him fall during the actual PPV which is just untrue. Even more have claimed that WWE has some master copy of his death locked away in a panic room deep within Vince's private vault along with the Droz/D'Lo tape.I'd say that the majority of the stuff reported on the news or online immediately after the accident was plenty of speculation. Aside from these wild and often inaccurate rumors, it was very difficult to find out what actually happened online in 1999. Yeah, there's ton of crazy claims and rumors regarding Owen's death as well as the footage. Those that "claim" to have seen the footage are ones that probably watched the infamous Vic Grimes/XPW spot and thought that was the Owen footage, I know that was a thing back in the day. I'm pretty sure WWE has to keep the Owen footage, as well as the Droz/D'lo tape for legal reasons so I can buy that claim. Apparently, they're labeled as "Do not play, duplicate or destroy".
I went to one of JR's one man shows last year or so and there was a guy in the crowd who was at Over the Edge when he was a kid and he talked about being there live and he said something along the lines of it happened really fast that literally nobody had any idea as to what happened.
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Post by TheEvilDoink1987 on Jan 3, 2019 21:02:27 GMT -5
I think that the abundance of misinformation immediately following his death is what originally stirred my curiosity. Several news reports said he fell 50 feet. Another reported 100 feet. Some said the cable snapped. Others said he fell out of his harness. Plenty of articles said he landed headfirst on the turnbuckle. A few people swear they witnessed Vince cut the cable himself. Fans throughout the years coming out with BS stories saying they saw footage online or watched him fall during the actual PPV which is just untrue. Even more have claimed that WWE has some master copy of his death locked away in a panic room deep within Vince's private vault along with the Droz/D'Lo tape.I'd say that the majority of the stuff reported on the news or online immediately after the accident was plenty of speculation. Aside from these wild and often inaccurate rumors, it was very difficult to find out what actually happened online in 1999. Yeah, there's ton of crazy claims and rumors regarding Owen's death as well as the footage. Those that "claim" to have seen the footage are ones that probably watched the infamous Vic Grimes/XPW spot and thought that was the Owen footage, I know that was a thing back in the day. I'm pretty sure WWE has to keep the Owen footage, as well as the Droz/D'lo tape for legal reasons so I can buy that claim. Apparently, they're labeled as "Do not play, duplicate or destroy". I went to one of JR's one man shows last year or so and there was a guy in the crowd who was at Over the Edge when he was a kid and he talked about being there live and he said something along the lines of it happened really fast that literally nobody had any idea as to what happened.
The entire fall only took maybe 2-3 seconds. There is this belief that the arena was dark at the time because they were playing a video package for the crowd when he fell. However, there is photo evidence that while the lights were definitely dimmed, the primary ring area was still fairly visible to those in the crowd. I have no doubt that some people in attendance witnessed his fall, but the likelihood that somebody was recording a video (especially in 1999) or snapped a pic in such a narrow window is really tough to imagine. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2019 21:18:36 GMT -5
Yeah, there's ton of crazy claims and rumors regarding Owen's death as well as the footage. Those that "claim" to have seen the footage are ones that probably watched the infamous Vic Grimes/XPW spot and thought that was the Owen footage, I know that was a thing back in the day. I'm pretty sure WWE has to keep the Owen footage, as well as the Droz/D'lo tape for legal reasons so I can buy that claim. Apparently, they're labeled as "Do not play, duplicate or destroy". I went to one of JR's one man shows last year or so and there was a guy in the crowd who was at Over the Edge when he was a kid and he talked about being there live and he said something along the lines of it happened really fast that literally nobody had any idea as to what happened.
The entire fall only took maybe 2-3 seconds. There is this belief that the arena was dark at the time because they were playing a video package for the crowd when he fell. However, there is photo evidence that while the lights were definitely dimmed, the primary ring area was still fairly visible to those in the crowd. I have no doubt that some people in attendance witnessed his fall, but the likelihood that somebody was recording a video (especially in 1999) or snapped a pic in such a narrow window is really tough to imagine.Wow, just imagine that.
Yeah, I have seen those pictures as well. I believe they were playing his last interview on the screen as he made his descent. That what it sounded like in the video you posted anyway. I've heard the WWF didn't allow video cameras or anything into the shows back then so yeah, I agree with that.
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Post by TheEvilDoink1987 on Jan 3, 2019 22:25:27 GMT -5
The entire fall only took maybe 2-3 seconds. There is this belief that the arena was dark at the time because they were playing a video package for the crowd when he fell. However, there is photo evidence that while the lights were definitely dimmed, the primary ring area was still fairly visible to those in the crowd. I have no doubt that some people in attendance witnessed his fall, but the likelihood that somebody was recording a video (especially in 1999) or snapped a pic in such a narrow window is really tough to imagine.Wow, just imagine that. Yeah, I have seen those pictures as well. I believe they were playing his last interview on the screen as he made his descent. That what it sounded like in the video you posted anyway. I've heard the WWF didn't allow video cameras or anything into the shows back then so yeah, I agree with that.
My gut instinct tells me that WWF does have some kind of footage under lock and key. One of the cameras had to be on Owen as they were mere seconds away from his entrance and they obviously knew he was coming down from the rafters. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2019 22:36:59 GMT -5
Wow, just imagine that. Yeah, I have seen those pictures as well. I believe they were playing his last interview on the screen as he made his descent. That what it sounded like in the video you posted anyway. I've heard the WWF didn't allow video cameras or anything into the shows back then so yeah, I agree with that.
One of the cameras had to be on Owen as they were mere seconds away from his entrance and they obviously knew he was coming down from the rafters. I think they have to keep the footage for legal reasons. I believe that they have the footage locked away somewhere as well. |
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Post by The Brain on Jan 3, 2019 23:11:23 GMT -5
Nearly 20 years later but it still feels like it was yesterday. I remember watching the PPV that night in just shock and disbelief. I'll never forget the feeling I felt on that terrible night.
RIP Owen
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2019 23:22:48 GMT -5
Never heard this before, it's mad creepy when combined with the pics and hearing the actual impact. We're approaching 20 years since this happened and yet it's still fresh in the minds of fans,so I can't even imagine what it's like to Martha to this day.
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Post by TheEvilDoink1987 on Jan 4, 2019 1:53:06 GMT -5
Never heard this before, it's mad creepy when combined with the pics and hearing the actual impact. We're approaching 20 years since this happened and yet it's still fresh in the minds of fans,so I can't even imagine what it's like to Martha to this day. I don't get lost on the fact that it has been almost 20 years. You're right. That is a landmark anniversary no matter good or bad. Regardless, it is important for fans to always remember Owen whether it be for the human being or simply the wrestler. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2019 6:21:07 GMT -5
Never heard this before, it's mad creepy when combined with the pics and hearing the actual impact. We're approaching 20 years since this happened and yet it's still fresh in the minds of fans,so I can't even imagine what it's like to Martha to this day. I don't get lost on the fact that it has been almost 20 years. You're right. That is a landmark anniversary no matter good or bad. Regardless, it is important for fans to always remember Owen whether it be for the human being or simply the wrestler. Word.By all accounts,he was a good guy. I wish I'd appreciated him more as a wrestler though. Just from listening to that Blue Blazer promo,he had so much talent on the mic and in the ring. |
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Post by rowdy1971 on Jan 4, 2019 16:25:32 GMT -5
I remember watching it live on PPV and I still have it on VHS tape when I was recording it. I don't think I ever watched that tape again. But I was in the Rosemont Horizon in Chicago the night before and Owen and Jarrett fought Edge and Christian. Hard to imagine that I saw Owen Harts last match before he died.
Once they cut back "live" to the arena and they had the shot on the audience, you knew something went wrong before it was even said.
Listen to Steve Austin's podcast with ref Jimmy Corderas. He was the ref in the ring when Owen fell. It's chilling to hear from the guy Owen almost fell on. There would have been two deaths if that happened!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2019 13:41:14 GMT -5
I remember watching it live on PPV and I still have it on VHS tape when I was recording it. I don't think I ever watched that tape again. But I was in the Rosemont Horizon in Chicago the night before and Owen and Jarrett fought Edge and Christian. Hard to imagine that I saw Owen Harts last match before he died. Once they cut back "live" to the arena and they had the shot on the audience, you knew something went wrong before it was even said. Listen to Steve Austin's podcast with ref Jimmy Corderas. He was the ref in the ring when Owen fell. It's chilling to hear from the guy Owen almost fell on. There would have been two deaths if that happened! I remember reading that Owen shouted for Jimmy to get out of the way. |
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Post by TheEvilDoink1987 on Jan 11, 2019 23:37:55 GMT -5
I remember watching it live on PPV and I still have it on VHS tape when I was recording it. I don't think I ever watched that tape again. But I was in the Rosemont Horizon in Chicago the night before and Owen and Jarrett fought Edge and Christian. Hard to imagine that I saw Owen Harts last match before he died. Once they cut back "live" to the arena and they had the shot on the audience, you knew something went wrong before it was even said. Listen to Steve Austin's podcast with ref Jimmy Corderas. He was the ref in the ring when Owen fell. It's chilling to hear from the guy Owen almost fell on. There would have been two deaths if that happened! I remember reading that Owen shouted for Jimmy to get out of the way. I've heard these rumors as well, but I'm not sure what to really believe. Owen fell nearly 80 feet and while that is a terrifying height, the reality is it probably only took 2-3 seconds for him to hit the canvas. I could never even imagine what was going through Owen's mind in those last moments, but I doubt it was concern over who he might land on. In her book, Martha said that the people in charge of the stunt on the catwalk witnessed the entire fall. Owen was spiraling sideways and clawing at the air. They confirmed he was indeed screaming although I'm sure that was more out of sheer terror than it was to alert the referee. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2019 15:11:08 GMT -5
People say if Owen would have not done the stunt he would have been fired. First of all, what kind of cold blooded company is wwe if that is true? Secondly, at least he'd be alive and at the time wcw existed and would have been interested. He could have joined Bret there!
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