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Post by The Natural Eddy Valintino on Jan 7, 2019 23:35:30 GMT -5
If he does, he's an idiot IMO. Staying at NJPW would have been great as well, but turning down the money WWE is rumored to have offered to go to AEW is dumb. He could always end his career in AEW, but i say f*** it, take the money. I doubt Tony Khan is offering the same because not everything is about money It seems like some wrestling fans forget that this is a business. Why shouldn't Omega go to WWE to make the money WWE is offering just to go elsewhere since he left NJPW? From day 1 I've been saying id rather Omega stay in NJPW, but if Omega can make more money in WWE and get the opportunity to be a bigger name than he already is, and then if AEW is on a bigger level, ala TNA 2005-2006, he goes there and makes AEW bigger. Whats wrong with that scenario because "not everything is about money". At the end of the day, its just business. If he goes to AEW, Ill be happy for Omega cause Im a big Kenny Omega from before he got his big push in NJPW, but imo he'd be an idiot not to cause who knows if he'll ever get another deal like this? Lets say AEW fails, and his stock goes down? Then he gave away the chance of making bigger money than he already was, all for nothing, and then WWE could lowball his deal later on.
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Post by Ohtimate Wahriah on Jan 8, 2019 0:23:46 GMT -5
Everybody wants change until it stands before you. This is why nothing will ever change if it depends on wrestling fans, you guys don’t want AEW or ROH or WCW or ECW to suceed or have succeeded. You just want them to be good enough to push WWE back into greatness.
A thriving wrestling scene gives wrestlers leverage and more power, and it gives wwe less power. Omega is already a brand name, I see more people with Omega shirts locally than Cena shirts. (Not an exaggeration). You’re saying he should join AEW at the end of his career...ugh. Maybe it’s time the stars build something new instead of sustaining something old. Maybe guys like Omega don’t need to be in WWE to be a star and that’s the very point. Wrestling needs to exist outside of WWE if it’s ever to be great again
And if you’d rather see WWE as the one and only wrestling company putting out the same stale crap for 20 years, That’s all fine and good, but you really shouldn’t complain then when Vince treats you like trash...he knows what it smells like
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Post by punksnotdead on Jan 8, 2019 10:24:52 GMT -5
Everybody wants change until it stands before you. This is why nothing will ever change if it depends on wrestling fans, you guys don’t want AEW or ROH or WCW or ECW to suceed or have succeeded. You just want them to be good enough to push WWE back into greatness. A thriving wrestling scene gives wrestlers leverage and more power, and it gives wwe less power. Omega is already a brand name, I see more people with Omega shirts locally than Cena shirts. (Not an exaggeration). You’re saying he should join AEW at the end of his career...ugh. Maybe it’s time the stars build something new instead of sustaining something old. Maybe guys like Omega don’t need to be in WWE to be a star and that’s the very point. Wrestling needs to exist outside of WWE if it’s ever to be great again And if you’d rather see WWE as the one and only wrestling company putting out the same stale crap for 20 years, That’s all fine and good, but you really shouldn’t complain then when Vince treats you like trash...he knows what it smells like We saw Kurt Angle, Sting, Christian, the Dudleys, Rhino, Raven, DDP, Jeff Jarrett, Scott Steiner, Scott Hall, Kevin Nash, Lashley, Styles, Joe, and even Macho Man all run through TNA. And countless other guys like Roode and EC3, The Bucks, Jeff Hardy, the Machine Guns, CM Punk, Hogan and Flair as mascots, the list is looonnnggg. And none of it amounted to actual competition or, really, sustained success. Any company, AEW included, is going to have to prove to a mass audience that they have a viable product before getting the benefit of the doubt. I was at All In. It was incredible. That's not what we're talking about anymore, though. Now we're talking about building a roster, filming a weekly TV show, production, booking, multiple PPV shows a year, potentially a tour schedule. I have faith these guys will figure all of this stuff out, but I don't blame people for thinking Omega, or any of them for that matter, is nuts for passing up a serious offer from WWE. Cody has already been there and done that in WWE. WWE treats tag teams like garbage and the Bucks have every right to believe they would have a ceiling put on them in WWE. Kenny Omega though? He doesn't have a ceiling, in WWE, AEW or anywhere else. He's the biggest star of the group, he's going to be the guy WWE wants the most, and he has the most to lose by not going to WWE. Five years from now, AEW could conceivably not exist. Kenny Omega will be 40. That's not to say he couldn't go to WWE at that point but his opportunity to be the guy would likely have passed him by. And the likelihood that AEW is, at best, on a TNA level from the mid 2000s is far more likely than AEW has created true viable competition to WWE. I say that as someone who watches every episode of BTE, went to see these guys in ROH multiple times a year, and truly believes in what they are doing. I just think AEW can do what they're doing without standing in the way of Omega becoming an even bigger star. WWE is the biggest game in town, and AEW isn't going to pass that inside five years. If Omega wants to go to WWE then everyone should support that decision. Sting admitted he wasted years of his career by not going to WWE sooner. Sting. Think about that when you're talking about viable alternatives to WWE, and what Sting was to the NWA, WCW and TNA. AJ Styles spent a decade in TNA as one of the best wrestlers on the entire planet and it largely meant nothing. Do you honestly believe AJ Styles is anywhere other than exactly where he belongs? We need to stop acting like TNA, ROH, New Japan, LU, aren't already alternatives to WWE. AEW and ROH aren't going to work together and New Japan has said they will continue their relationship with ROH for the immediate future. AEW doesn't even have the Villain until after Mania. So we need to see this press conference tonight and see if they get TV up and running and just establish what AEW is going to be, but in the meantime Kenny Omega is going to have a multi-year, multi-million dollar, contract on his table from the biggest wrestling promotion in the world who wants to bring him in as a top guy. I honestly think Kenny has every intention of going to AEW with the rest of the Elite, especially after BTE yesterday. That being said, it's probably a mistake. I'm excited for AEW regardless of Omega's decision. I'm excited for Kenny regardless of where he decides to go. But for me, Kenny going to WWE and AEW succeeding are not mutually exclusive.
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Post by alanpartridge on Jan 8, 2019 10:50:30 GMT -5
Omega is going to end up in WWE whether we like it or not.
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Post by ThugSuperstar on Jan 8, 2019 11:31:41 GMT -5
I can't imagine why in the world he would want to sign with the WWE. This is a guy who has never gone anywhere based on money, and as someone whose best attribute is his ability to work 30+ minute matches consistently while keeping the crowd on their feet, he would never do be able to do that in WWE. They would severely limit his moveset, which would take away his entire appeal, and he'd also have to work 300 days a year and travel all across the world, which I don't think appeals to him. Everything I've read about his lifestyle, Omega seems like a very simple guy who has no problem with the legacy he's built in Japan. I would be stunned if he didn't sign with AEW. I could just easily see him flaming out in the WWE after Vince gets bored with him in a month like countless others, and I doubt Kenny would want to take that risk.
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Post by jayrod2009 on Jan 8, 2019 13:45:08 GMT -5
Omega to WWE would be like Hogan to WCW in 1996. He would be the change WWE needed.
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Post by IRS on Jan 8, 2019 15:02:06 GMT -5
Omega to WWE would be like Hogan to WCW in 1996. He would be the change WWE needed. Not unless he V-Triggers Vince to the point of not being able to operate WWE anymore. He'd just be another cog in the machine. No one man, other than Vince, can change WWE.
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Post by marino13 on Jan 8, 2019 17:10:56 GMT -5
Omega to WWE would be like Hogan to WCW in 1996. He would be the change WWE needed. Well.... Hogan was a household name. Omega certainly is not. It'd be impactful, sure. But let's be realistic.
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Post by kingnothing ~ Hardwired... on Jan 8, 2019 17:32:33 GMT -5
I can't imagine why in the world he would want to sign with the WWE. This is a guy who has never gone anywhere based on money, and as someone whose best attribute is his ability to work 30+ minute matches consistently while keeping the crowd on their feet, he would never do be able to do that in WWE. They would severely limit his moveset, which would take away his entire appeal, and he'd also have to work 300 days a year and travel all across the world, which I don't think appeals to him. Everything I've read about his lifestyle, Omega seems like a very simple guy who has no problem with the legacy he's built in Japan. I would be stunned if he didn't sign with AEW. I could just easily see him flaming out in the WWE after Vince gets bored with him in a month like countless others, and I doubt Kenny would want to take that risk. Realistically, most signs would say he’s AEW bound. However, maybe he’s growing tired of the 30+ minute matches? Maybe he might view WWE as a challenge; go there and push the limit and shine within the boundaries set by the largest wrestling company in the world. As I said before, a 3 year deal gets him a ton of exposure in the states that he doesn’t currently have besides the hardcore wrestling fan. He finishes his contract and then goes to AEW, and now there are casual fans that will check him out elsewhere.
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Post by IRS on Jan 8, 2019 17:52:35 GMT -5
I can't imagine why in the world he would want to sign with the WWE. This is a guy who has never gone anywhere based on money, and as someone whose best attribute is his ability to work 30+ minute matches consistently while keeping the crowd on their feet, he would never do be able to do that in WWE. They would severely limit his moveset, which would take away his entire appeal, and he'd also have to work 300 days a year and travel all across the world, which I don't think appeals to him. Everything I've read about his lifestyle, Omega seems like a very simple guy who has no problem with the legacy he's built in Japan. I would be stunned if he didn't sign with AEW. I could just easily see him flaming out in the WWE after Vince gets bored with him in a month like countless others, and I doubt Kenny would want to take that risk. Realistically, most signs would say he’s AEW bound. However, maybe he’s growing tired of the 30+ minute matches? Maybe he might view WWE as a challenge; go there and push the limit and shine within the boundaries set by the largest wrestling company in the world. As I said before, a 3 year deal gets him a ton of exposure in the states that he doesn’t currently have besides the hardcore wrestling fan. He finishes his contract and then goes to AEW, and now there are casual fans that will check him out elsewhere. I can't imagine the 30+ minute matches every month or two (aside from the G1 Climax) are more tiring than adapting to WWE's touring schedule. In NJPW, unless it's one of the bigger shows, Omega is essentially working all tag matches on the Road To shows, versus working singles matches at WWE house shows.
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Post by jeffro2000 on Jan 8, 2019 18:11:48 GMT -5
Omega to WWE would be like Hogan to WCW in 1996. He would be the change WWE needed. Well.... Hogan was a household name. Omega certainly is not. It'd be impactful, sure. But let's be realistic. Yeah, I recongnize Kenny Omega's name, but I wouldn't know him if he walked in my front door. Never seen him before. You can make a case that in 1994, when Hogan joined WCW, he was a bigger brand than WCW was. He gave them credibility with advertisers and media they had never had before.
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Post by @brit_figs on Jan 8, 2019 19:26:37 GMT -5
Fuel to the fire that he wasn’t at the AEW rally today!
Who knows!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2019 19:49:22 GMT -5
Everybody wants change until it stands before you. This is why nothing will ever change if it depends on wrestling fans, you guys don’t want AEW or ROH or WCW or ECW to suceed or have succeeded. You just want them to be good enough to push WWE back into greatness. A thriving wrestling scene gives wrestlers leverage and more power, and it gives wwe less power. Omega is already a brand name, I see more people with Omega shirts locally than Cena shirts. (Not an exaggeration). You’re saying he should join AEW at the end of his career...ugh. Maybe it’s time the stars build something new instead of sustaining something old. Maybe guys like Omega don’t need to be in WWE to be a star and that’s the very point. Wrestling needs to exist outside of WWE if it’s ever to be great again And if you’d rather see WWE as the one and only wrestling company putting out the same stale crap for 20 years, That’s all fine and good, but you really shouldn’t complain then when Vince treats you like trash...he knows what it smells like Great post! Same people that want wwe to have competition are the same that want everyone to go to wwe.
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Post by kingnothing ~ Hardwired... on Jan 8, 2019 20:05:04 GMT -5
Fuel to the fire that he wasn’t at the AEW rally today! Who knows! While I agree, Kenny’s is the only contract that hasn’t expired yet if I’m not mistaken. I doubt he could show up and say he’s a part of the company until after the end of the month.
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Post by IRS on Jan 8, 2019 20:53:58 GMT -5
Fuel to the fire that he wasn’t at the AEW rally today! Who knows! Contract runs until January 31st. He's almost certainly going to AEW. Meltzer reported today that WWE tried very hard, but couldn't land him. And if it's coming from Meltzer, he's almost certainly hearing that directly from Kenny/The Bucks.
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Post by Cassa Nova Kid on Jan 8, 2019 21:24:13 GMT -5
No one thought the Hardy’s where coming so I guess we will see. They can feed Dave anything they want.
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Post by @AnHonorablePod on Jan 8, 2019 22:42:53 GMT -5
Omega is going to end up in WWE whether we like it or not. wanna bet on that?
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Post by The Natural Eddy Valintino on Jan 9, 2019 0:46:16 GMT -5
Fuel to the fire that he wasn’t at the AEW rally today! Who knows! Contract runs until January 31st. He's almost certainly going to AEW. Meltzer reported today that WWE tried very hard, but couldn't land him. And if it's coming from Meltzer, he's almost certainly hearing that directly from Kenny/The Bucks. If he does goes to AEW, Ill support his decision, but ill still think hes an idiot for not taking the WWE deal when hes red hot. He might regret this like Sting did for not going earlier on. But at least he'll help build a little bit of star power for AEW. Less days, almost the same amount WWE offered, health care maybe, not too bad of a choice now that i think about it, though i still would have picked WWE, then go to AEW.
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Post by The Natural Eddy Valintino on Jan 9, 2019 0:49:45 GMT -5
Omega is going to end up in WWE whether we like it or not. wanna bet on that? For argument sakes, yes Im willing to bet Omegas not an idiot and thinks like a businessman instead of a mark, and joins WWE to say he did it, now let me join my friends in AEW cause the star power I built in WWE could help them out. And Ill find joy when the rest of the marks cry that he joined WWE, and Ill find joy as a Kenny Omega fan if he joins AEW, but ill still think hes an idiot and he'll regret not taking the deal if AEW fails.
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Post by RuthlessFigs on Jan 9, 2019 1:25:38 GMT -5
I could just easily see him flaming out in the WWE after Vince gets bored with him in a month like countless others, and I doubt Kenny would want to take that risk. Yes WWE doesn't utilise some outside talent to their full potential, but that attitude from fans is what's killing it. People should be excited to see a new face go to WWE but instead they dwell on the thought of WWE not using them properly, which in turn leads them to believe they aren't utilised right when they don't win every championship in less than a minute, main event every show and have their face slapped on every bit of merch. People expect too much in such a little time now for these new signings. Vince doesn't just get 'bored' of talent after a month or two, if he were to push them to the moon from the start and give them everything they could dream of, all within 3 months, that would 'bore' him faster than planning out their push over a year, because where do they go after that initial golden push? when they've accomplished the highest feats in WWE. If Omega were to sign with WWE, he would NOT fail. Right now, Kenny is arguably hotter than Styles when he was rumoured to sign with WWE. In JBL terms, at the moment Kenny is a "Wrestling God" and wherever he goes, he'll succeed. He's instant money in WWE with merchandise ALONE, without even competing in a match he'll be one of the highest sellers of merch in the company. Plus, with FOX's new Smackdown deal and them wanting a more 'Sports orientated direction' for the show, Kenny would be an instant pick to compete on the brand and still put on good quality matches like he has in NJPW. WWE would have to be attempting company suicide if they were to sign him and book him like crap, there's no doubt that someone at his level will be taken VERY VERY seriously.
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